Google Lesson #3: How to deal with spammers that took over your niche - GoFuckYourself.com

Terenzo · 09-05-2003, 01:27 AM

.. you lost your top10 ranking against a bold spammer, shit! never, ever post this shit on a public board, dont take it public at all or you will never be top10 in that niche again.

why?

1. if that niche keyword really does well then the spammer you want to get rid of will endlessly fight back..
2. other spammers become aware of those keywords and will put you down to position 50+. you reall dont need this.
3. newbie spammers can learn by example and even more spammers will be in game.

so what can you really do?
1. report to google
[and/or]
2. beat the spam

Terenzo · 09-05-2003, 01:30 AM

better than reporting really is just outranking: the spammer is still in the index and will concentrate on different niches. if he is taken out by google he will be back much more agressive, i guess.

WiredGuy · 09-05-2003, 01:34 AM

Thank you for that lesson, so what are some of your niches

WG

Terenzo · 09-05-2003, 02:12 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by WiredGuy
Thank you for that lesson, so what are some of your niches

WG

"free porn", "free pics", "free galleries"

of course that post wasnt meant for you ..

Rorschach · 09-05-2003, 02:29 AM

bawdy · 09-05-2003, 04:14 AM

if the spammer was serious then there's nothing going to stop them... their site might get dumped but im sure they will have others in the pipeline

Adulter · 09-05-2003, 04:42 AM

#2

#1 will work for lil time only

Johny Traffic · 09-05-2003, 04:44 AM

what niche?

nobull · 09-05-2003, 05:00 AM

why are they a spammer if they get a higher listing then you? so if you adjust your pages and be back to a higher listing are you now the spammer?

wsjb78 · 09-05-2003, 06:03 AM

In some other thread someone said a while back:

You on top of Google results --> Good SEO
Others on top of Google results --> Spamming

I can't agree more to that!!!

However a few of Terenzos thoughts have some solid ground... e.g. don't mention a niche or it'll be flooded...

wsjb78

__________________
<br>Check backlinks of your sites
Get your Daily Google PR list here
ICQ: 171751720 <--> Wassup with lil2rich4u2 <--> Always looking for new Sponsors

Dusen · 09-05-2003, 06:15 AM

What are some good forums/resources to read about SEO? My sites are abysmally ranked.

Terenzo · 09-05-2003, 09:03 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by bawdy
if the spammer was serious then there's nothing going to stop them... their site might get dumped but im sure they will have others in the pipeline

Quote:

Originally posted by Adulter
#2

#1 will work for lil time only

yep, so it is best to live WITH the spam, trying to outrank it. your sites will look much better to surfers if they compare them to the spam... and as long as the spammer sees some of his sites in the serps he will not turn back to those keywords...

... if one spammer (or just few) is dominating your keywords never tell anyone, this just would attract many other spammers to join the game, you will never see your site in the serp anymore. then: 1 spammer dominating = easy to get in = free money

Troels · 09-05-2003, 09:20 AM

Exactly - and ofcourse, DON'T use the same sponsor(s) as the spammer...

Unless it's us ofcourse ;)

RockDaddy · 09-05-2003, 09:44 AM

I thought you were going to say to plug their url's into some search engine submission software and bombard all the search engines until the domain gets blacklisted

alias · 09-05-2003, 09:46 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by RockDaddy
I thought you were going to say to plug their url's into some search engine submission software and bombard all the search engines until the domain gets blacklisted

haha

Jamie · 09-05-2003, 09:51 AM

Oh, I thought it was all about paying the $9.99 and getting your URL submitted to 2 billion search engines.. Shows what I know about SE's

Lane · 09-05-2003, 09:59 AM

does google do anything about it when you report the spammers?

hyper · 09-05-2003, 10:41 AM

only if they are using deceptive techniques lane..

JoeA · 09-05-2003, 10:48 AM

There is a certain webmaster who's currently hijacked a lot of niches with his one or two domains but 100's of doorway pages all linked which is how he gets a good placement.

I spoke to a friend of mine who's an SE guru and his only advise was to complain to Google giving as many details as possible to get them deleted but.. He added, it would take 3 months for them to vanish

So none of us can do anything unless we operate in exavtly the same way...

Terenzo · 09-05-2003, 10:47 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by JoeA
There is a certain webmaster who's currently hijacked a lot of niches with his one or two domains but 100's of doorway pages all linked which is how he gets a good placement.

I spoke to a friend of mine who's an SE guru and his only advise was to complain to Google giving as many details as possible to get them deleted but.. He added, it would take 3 months for them to vanish

So none of us can do anything unless we operate in exavtly the same way...

he probably needs 1 month to build an interlinked network, so he will be 3 times as powerful when the old sites are gone.

Terenzo · 09-05-2003, 10:51 PM

doorway pages...

isnt porn all about doorways? arent the gallery builders the worst? if google banned all doorways and the pages which are crosslinking with them you could not find one tgp/gallery anymore... what would be left then?

Terenzo · 09-05-2003, 10:55 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by JoeA
There is a certain webmaster who's currently hijacked a lot of niches with his one or two domains but 100's of doorway pages all linked which is how he gets a good placement.

I spoke to a friend of mine who's an SE guru and his only advise was to complain to Google giving as many details as possible to get them deleted but.. He added, it would take 3 months for them to vanish

So none of us can do anything unless we operate in exavtly the same way...

.. hehehe good thing you did not mention the niches

JoeA · 09-06-2003, 04:00 AM

Terenzo

I don't have to mention the niches but a clue to one of them is in my signature... LOL. I had not just 1 in the top 10 for a few of my domains but I could have over 12/20 on page one as all are legitimate links to other sites of mine.. Until the arsehole came along..

SugarNow · 09-06-2003, 04:44 AM

I see Terenzo's point of view and I have to agree with him.

You see if you do a lot of SEO, work hard to get good rankings for "your" niches and someone else can put you off your throne easily and you post that on boards then you achieve the following:

1.) You tell others what you do and try to achieve. Hence since you do operate in that niche you must think you can get something out of it and others want to have a share of that cake also hahahaha> New competitors

2.) You admit that your SEO isn't bullet-proof and that anyone with some knowledge can bet you in ranking hahahaha> New competitors / More spammers

3.) You tell other spammers how to place their sites ahead of anyone else. They will learn by example. They will learn how to get listed high, they will learn how not to be detected...

You may get rid of this spammer for a short while but once he's out of the ranking he'll adapt and be back even harder. Maybe the sites then are so good that you can't have him banned anymore...

Best thing is just to be quiet of spammers and optimize your site that way that you're ranked before that spammer... make him crawl back to ranking 5+!

angelsofporn · 09-11-2003, 06:57 PM

terenzo and sugarnow are the same guy....spammer extrordinaire..currently occcupying top results for everything known to man in google..all generated pages

xxxjay · 09-14-2003, 04:34 PM

the google spammers never last long - i've seen many come and go

09-05-2003, 02:29 AM	#5
Rorschach So Fucking Banned Join Date: Aug 2002 Posts: 5,579	[2]

09-05-2003, 04:42 AM	#7
Adulter Confirmed User Join Date: Feb 2003 Location: EU Posts: 1,252	#2 #1 will work for lil time only __________________

09-05-2003, 04:44 AM	#8
Johny Traffic Confirmed User Join Date: Apr 2003 Posts: 5,461	what niche? __________________ hosted flv's, hosted galleries, morphing rss feeds, free content, free sites, hosted blog

09-05-2003, 05:00 AM	#9
nobull Confirmed User Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: Las Vegas Posts: 1,256	why are they a spammer if they get a higher listing then you? so if you adjust your pages and be back to a higher listing are you now the spammer? __________________ NOREBILLS -- MAKE CASH NOW WITH THE NEWEST IDEA IN ONLINE PORN!

09-05-2003, 06:15 AM	#11
Dusen Confirmed User Join Date: Aug 2002 Location: East Coast. Posts: 2,251	What are some good forums/resources to read about SEO? My sites are abysmally ranked. __________________ Penis Pill Sponsor List and Reviews: http://www.pillsponsors.com

09-05-2003, 01:27 AM	#1
Terenzo Confirmed User Join Date: Jan 2002 Posts: 971	Google Lesson #3: How to deal with spammers that took over your niche .. you lost your top10 ranking against a bold spammer, shit! never, ever post this shit on a public board, dont take it public at all or you will never be top10 in that niche again. why? 1. if that niche keyword really does well then the spammer you want to get rid of will endlessly fight back.. 2. other spammers become aware of those keywords and will put you down to position 50+. you reall dont need this. 3. newbie spammers can learn by example and even more spammers will be in game. so what can you really do? 1. report to google [and/or] 2. beat the spam

09-05-2003, 01:30 AM	#2
Terenzo Confirmed User Join Date: Jan 2002 Posts: 971	better than reporting really is just outranking: the spammer is still in the index and will concentrate on different niches. if he is taken out by google he will be back much more agressive, i guess.

09-05-2003, 01:34 AM	#3
WiredGuy Pounding Googlebot Industry Role: Join Date: Aug 2002 Location: Canada Posts: 34,497	Thank you for that lesson, so what are some of your niches WG __________________ I play with Google.

09-05-2003, 04:14 AM	#6
bawdy Confirmed User Join Date: Feb 2002 Posts: 1,424	if the spammer was serious then there's nothing going to stop them... their site might get dumped but im sure they will have others in the pipeline

09-05-2003, 06:03 AM	#10
wsjb78 Confirmed User Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Cyberspace Posts: 594	In some other thread someone said a while back: You on top of Google results --> Good SEO Others on top of Google results --> Spamming I can't agree more to that!!! However a few of Terenzos thoughts have some solid ground... e.g. don't mention a niche or it'll be flooded... wsjb78 __________________ <br>Check backlinks of your sites Get your Daily Google PR list here ICQ: 171751720 <--> Wassup with lil2rich4u2 <--> Always looking for new Sponsors

09-05-2003, 09:20 AM	#13
Troels Confirmed User Join Date: May 2002 Location: Between the clouds Posts: 1,035	Exactly - and ofcourse, DON'T use the same sponsor(s) as the spammer... Unless it's us ofcourse ;)

09-05-2003, 09:44 AM	#14
RockDaddy Confirmed User Join Date: Jul 2001 Posts: 750	I thought you were going to say to plug their url's into some search engine submission software and bombard all the search engines until the domain gets blacklisted

09-05-2003, 09:51 AM	#16
Jamie Confirmed User Join Date: Apr 2001 Location: CelebPay.com Posts: 2,517	Oh, I thought it was all about paying the $9.99 and getting your URL submitted to 2 billion search engines.. Shows what I know about SE's __________________ CelebPay: Promote Celebrity Reviews i/c/q - :1851935

09-05-2003, 09:59 AM	#17
Lane Will code for food... Join Date: Apr 2001 Location: Buckeye, AZ Posts: 8,496	does google do anything about it when you report the spammers? __________________

09-05-2003, 10:41 AM	#18
hyper Confirmed User Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: Mass Ass Posts: 5,294	only if they are using deceptive techniques lane.. __________________

09-05-2003, 10:48 AM	#19
JoeA Confirmed User Join Date: May 2002 Location: London Posts: 568	There is a certain webmaster who's currently hijacked a lot of niches with his one or two domains but 100's of doorway pages all linked which is how he gets a good placement. I spoke to a friend of mine who's an SE guru and his only advise was to complain to Google giving as many details as possible to get them deleted but.. He added, it would take 3 months for them to vanish So none of us can do anything unless we operate in exavtly the same way... __________________ www.saharagetsdirty.com/ www.ravishingindians.com/ www.anglo-indian-girls.com/

09-05-2003, 10:51 PM	#21
Terenzo Confirmed User Join Date: Jan 2002 Posts: 971	doorway pages... isnt porn all about doorways? arent the gallery builders the worst? if google banned all doorways and the pages which are crosslinking with them you could not find one tgp/gallery anymore... what would be left then?

09-06-2003, 04:00 AM	#23
JoeA Confirmed User Join Date: May 2002 Location: London Posts: 568	Terenzo I don't have to mention the niches but a clue to one of them is in my signature... LOL. I had not just 1 in the top 10 for a few of my domains but I could have over 12/20 on page one as all are legitimate links to other sites of mine.. Until the arsehole came along.. __________________ www.saharagetsdirty.com/ www.ravishingindians.com/ www.anglo-indian-girls.com/

09-06-2003, 04:44 AM	#24
SugarNow Registered User Join Date: Aug 2003 Posts: 1	I see Terenzo's point of view and I have to agree with him. You see if you do a lot of SEO, work hard to get good rankings for "your" niches and someone else can put you off your throne easily and you post that on boards then you achieve the following: 1.) You tell others what you do and try to achieve. Hence since you do operate in that niche you must think you can get something out of it and others want to have a share of that cake also hahahaha> New competitors 2.) You admit that your SEO isn't bullet-proof and that anyone with some knowledge can bet you in ranking hahahaha> New competitors / More spammers 3.) You tell other spammers how to place their sites ahead of anyone else. They will learn by example. They will learn how to get listed high, they will learn how not to be detected... You may get rid of this spammer for a short while but once he's out of the ranking he'll adapt and be back even harder. Maybe the sites then are so good that you can't have him banned anymore... Best thing is just to be quiet of spammers and optimize your site that way that you're ranked before that spammer... make him crawl back to ranking 5+! __________________ None

09-11-2003, 06:57 PM	#25
angelsofporn Confirmed User Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: CA Posts: 3,218	terenzo and sugarnow are the same guy....spammer extrordinaire..currently occcupying top results for everything known to man in google..all generated pages

09-14-2003, 04:34 PM	#26
xxxjay Tube groupie. Industry Role: Join Date: Aug 2002 Location: LoScandalous, CA Posts: 13,482	the google spammers never last long - i've seen many come and go __________________ http://donttellmehowtoruinmylife.com/ - http://www.jmdigitalmarketing.com/my...s-and-reviews/ - http://www.wouldyouhitit.org - http://shinyobjectreviews.com/