clueless affiliate program support - GoFuckYourself.com

detoxed · 08-03-2003, 01:29 AM

I asked this question to many affiliate program employees/owners lately:

Say I want to join your affiliate program and promote your stuff. I'd be starting from scratch and would want to earn $2k+ per month. What would you say is the best way to do this?

I got 1 response that was any type of answer to this question. 1. How sad is that? Many people said "ask on the boards" or "im not a webmaster"

affiliatecash · 08-03-2003, 01:32 AM

I have a brand new affiliate program coming in about 3-4 weeks, explainn what you mean by starting from "scratch" define "scratch" do yopu have any traffic?

affiliatecash · 08-03-2003, 01:33 AM

Getting Late, appologies for my spelling!

detoxed · 08-03-2003, 01:36 AM

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Originally posted by affiliatecash
I have a brand new affiliate program coming in about 3-4 weeks, explainn what you mean by starting from "scratch" define "scratch" do yopu have any traffic?

No. I was asking a hypothetical question anyway. I would have wanted to start with nothing (not sending them any of my current traffic) and get up to $2k+ per month.

Sarah_Jayne · 08-03-2003, 01:54 AM

you obviously didn't ask me ;)

detoxed · 08-03-2003, 01:55 AM

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Originally posted by sarah_webinc
you obviously didn't ask me ;)

Then answer the question

doggiestyle_ec · 08-03-2003, 01:57 AM

that is a stupid question

stocktrader23 · 08-03-2003, 01:59 AM

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Originally posted by doggiestyle_ec
that is a stupid question

No it's not. It's a great question and one that program owners and affiliate support should be prepared to answer on a regular basis.

detoxed · 08-03-2003, 02:00 AM

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Originally posted by doggiestyle_ec
that is a stupid question

What is stupid about it? If an affiliate program cant tell you how to make money by using them, why use them?

doggiestyle_ec · 08-03-2003, 02:03 AM

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Originally posted by stocktrader23

No it's not. It's a great question and one that program owners and affiliate support should be prepared to answer on a regular basis.

its not a programs responsibility to hold anyones hand.... there are hundreds and hundreds of indepth articles, and tools and resources to learn it and figure it out. this game is for adults. not lazy slackers.

but, on the other hand.. a lending hand isnt to much to ask.

detoxed · 08-03-2003, 02:04 AM

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Originally posted by doggiestyle_ec

its not a programs responsibility to hold anyones hand.... there are hundreds and hundreds of indepth articles, and tools and resources to learn it and figure it out. this game is for adults. not lazy slackers.

Lol. What does the question have to do with laziness? It asks for a method to make $2k+ a month, not the webmaster to come to your house and do the work for you. Its not their responsibility, but if they dont care about the affiliates then why should an affiliate promote them?

detoxed · 08-03-2003, 02:05 AM

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Originally posted by doggiestyle_ec

its not a programs responsibility to hold anyones hand.... there are hundreds and hundreds of indepth articles, and tools and resources to learn it and figure it out. this game is for adults. not lazy slackers.

Judging by your answer, any affiliate program you own/work for would have lost an affiliate that wants to do $24k+ a year using your program. How smart is that?

doggiestyle_ec · 08-03-2003, 02:09 AM

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Originally posted by detoxed

Judging by your answer, any affiliate program you own/work for would have lost an affiliate that wants to do $24k+ a year using your program. How smart is that?

i honestly dont see the similarity.. would I rather have 30 affiliates that know wtf they are doing, or 2 that are complete morons... why devote my valuable time to you when i can sit back and watch 30 doing it right?

lol.. pretty simple

detoxed · 08-03-2003, 02:12 AM

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Originally posted by doggiestyle_ec
i honestly dont see the similarity.. would I rather have 30 affiliates that know wtf they are doing, or 2 that are complete morons... why devote my valuable time to you when i can sit back and watch 30 doing it right?

lol.. pretty simple

Haha dumbass. A 30 second paragraph answering the question, or doing nothing and hoping the affiliates know what to do? Pure genius!

doggiestyle_ec · 08-03-2003, 02:13 AM

let me clarify my position a bit more..

loyal affiliates are few and far between. Why would i take the time to show 'you' the ropes and have you promoting another sponsor 2 months later? seems like a huge waste to me.

robfantasy · 08-03-2003, 02:14 AM

if u can bring me 4k in business i will pay u 2k if u cant then i wont pay u

detoxed · 08-03-2003, 02:14 AM

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Originally posted by doggiestyle_ec
let me clarify my position a bit more..

loyal affiliates are few and far between. Why would i take the time to show 'you' the ropes and have you promoting another sponsor 2 months later? seems like a huge waste to me.

Heh because if you take the time as a sponsor to show someone how to make money with YOUR program, it wont work the same way with other affiliate programs. This person is asking you how to make $2k a month with YOUR program not in general.

doggiestyle_ec · 08-03-2003, 02:15 AM

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Originally posted by detoxed

Haha dumbass. A 30 second paragraph answering the question, or doing nothing and hoping the affiliates know what to do? Pure genius!

i have over 3400+ affiliates, and they dont email me asking how to make shit. go figure.

detoxed · 08-03-2003, 02:15 AM

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Originally posted by robfantasy
if u can bring me 4k in business i will pay u 2k if u cant then i cant pay u

That has nothing to do with this thread?

detoxed · 08-03-2003, 02:15 AM

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Originally posted by doggiestyle_ec

i have over 3400+ affiliates, and they dont email me asking how to make shit. go figure.

They probably see your attitude.

robfantasy · 08-03-2003, 02:15 AM

haha im jus bullshittin =) wudup detoxed lets do some biz

detoxed · 08-03-2003, 02:16 AM

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Originally posted by robfantasy
haha im jus bullshittin =) wudup detoxed lets do some biz

I'm still waiting on you to send some sales, see sig :

Sarah_Jayne · 08-03-2003, 02:16 AM

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Originally posted by detoxed

Then answer the question

It is best handled on a one on one basis on icq or via email so that it isn't just generic advice but advice and help tailored to your interests and the skills you feel you have.

However, on the generic side I would explain the two avenues open to you - our adult products and the products that do well in the mainstream. I would then take whatever time it takes to show you how to make and promote mainstream sites that convert.

On the adult side I would explain either TGP or AVS to you (and I have done this btw..do it all the time...taken new webmasters and taken the time to tell them what an avs is, how to build them, etc) and the ways we have found are best to use those to advertise our products within those medias.

As you said you are starting from scratch I wouldn't really go into promoting us via your own paysite but if you had one of those I would go down that route too.

It is also in the follow up care. I want all of our affiliates to know that they can contact me with any questions they have. If they need a banner or other advertising material we don't have they can just contact me and I will get it done for them. This just happened the other day with someone that was promoting our weight loss products on a wedding site and needed a banner that featured a bride.

I am not bothered about if someone's questions take five minutes to answer or two hours. If I help someone to earn money obviously it is going to help our company. Not just in the obvious way of them making money for us through those sales but if you help someone who is starting out usually that breads a slight sense of loyalty.

If you get the 'hey it isn't my job to hold your hand' attitude then why should you bother? Actually, I am affiliate support and yes, it is my job to hold your hand.

Theo · 08-03-2003, 02:17 AM

an affiliate program can provide you tools and materials to use in order to bring the $2k income per month, but they won't tell you how to do it. What answers would you like to hear?

"make galleries"
"make free sites"
"buy traffic"
"do picposts"
"get SE traffic"

?

detoxed · 08-03-2003, 02:17 AM

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Originally posted by sarah_webinc

It is best handled on a one on one basis on icq or via email so that it isn't just generic advice but advice and help tailored to your interests and the skills you feel you have.

However, on the generic side I would explain the two avenues open to you - our adult products and the products that do well in the mainstream. I would then take whatever time it takes to show you how to make and promote mainstream sites that convert.

On the adult side I would explain either TGP or AVS to you (and I have done this btw..do it all the time...taken new webmasters and taken the time to tell them what an avs is, how to build them, etc) and the ways we have found are best to use those to advertise our products within those medias.

As you said you are starting from scratch I wouldn't really go into promoting us via your own paysite but if you had one of those I would go down that route too.

It is also in the follow up care. I want all of our affiliates to know that they can contact me with any questions they have. If they need a banner or other advertising material we don't have they can just contact me and I will get it done for them. This just happened the other day with someone that was promoting our weight loss products on a wedding site and needed a banner that featured a bride.

I am not bothered about if someone's questions take five minutes to answer or two hours. If I help someone to earn money obviously it is going to help our company. Not just in the obvious way of them making money for us through those sales but if you help someone who is starting out usually that breads a slight sense of loyalty.

If you get the 'hey it isn't my job to hold your hand' attitude then why should you bother? Actually, I am affiliate support and yes, it is my job to hold your hand.

Example of correct attitude.

doggiestyle_ec · 08-03-2003, 02:19 AM

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Originally posted by detoxed

They probably see your attitude.

while other sponsors like to beat around the bush and sugarcoat everything, I do not.

Im not here to kiss you and keep you warm. I am here to make you money aswell as myself.

very few ppl have been dissatisfied with my program.

detoxed · 08-03-2003, 02:19 AM

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Originally posted by Soul_Rebel
an affiliate program can provide you tools and materials to use in order to bring the $2k income per month, but they won't tell you how to do it. What answers would you like to hear?

"make galleries"
"make free sites"
"buy traffic"
"do picposts"
"get SE traffic"

?

I'm not looking for answers. I was testing the level of support offered

You make money if they make money with you.

I can make a billion galleries and not make a dime. You have to submit them to TGP's and get listed

You also can get them listed in search engines, I have galleries at #1 for certain keywords just on accident.

detoxed · 08-03-2003, 02:20 AM

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Originally posted by doggiestyle_ec

while other sponsors like to beat around the bush and sugarcoat everything, I do not.

Im not here to kiss you and keep you warm. I am here to make you money aswell as myself.

very few ppl have been dissatisfied with my program.

Answering someones questions and helping them make money = you making money.

stocktrader23 · 08-03-2003, 02:21 AM

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Originally posted by sarah_webinc

Actually, I am affiliate support and yes, it is my job to hold your hand.

"I wanna hold your hand...."

Nice post.

By the way, it breeds more than a "slight" sense of loyalty most of the time.

stocktrader23 · 08-03-2003, 02:23 AM

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Originally posted by doggiestyle_ec

while other sponsors like to beat around the bush and sugarcoat everything, I do not.

Im not here to kiss you and keep you warm. I am here to make you money aswell as myself.

very few ppl have been dissatisfied with my program.

You are so full of shit. So tell me, how many of your "3400 +" affiliates are actually still sending sales to you?

detoxed · 08-03-2003, 02:24 AM

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Originally posted by stocktrader23

You are so full of shit. So tell me, how many of your "3400 +" affiliates are actually still sending sales to you?

3400 isnt really much. Anyone would have a much higher percentage "active" webmasters if you give them a little help instead of telling them "its your job to send sales, its not my job to give you any help"

doggiestyle_ec · 08-03-2003, 02:24 AM

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Originally posted by detoxed

Answering someones questions and helping them make money = you making money.

how is 'how do i make 2k a month with your program' constitute a single question or even a few?

thats a good 2 weeks worth of learning/teaching...

and i DO think its safe to say that just about every program is promoted pretty damn similarly.. so what I teach you CAN be used to promote others..

but whatever, you seem like a complete smartass anyways, and you are the type of affiliate I would just delete his email and laugh.

doggiestyle_ec · 08-03-2003, 02:25 AM

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Originally posted by stocktrader23

You are so full of shit. So tell me, how many of your "3400 +" affiliates are actually still sending sales to you?

about 800+ active

detoxed · 08-03-2003, 02:25 AM

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Originally posted by doggiestyle_ec

how is 'how do i make 2k a month with your program' constitute a single question or even a few?

thats a good 2 weeks worth of learning/teaching...

and i DO think its safe to say that just about every program is promoted pretty damn similarly.. so what I teach you CAN be used to promote others..

but whatever, you seem like a complete smartass anyways, and you are the type of affiliate I would just delete his email and laugh.

Im not an affiliate, I'm webmaster support jackass.

hybrid · 08-03-2003, 02:26 AM

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I would then take whatever time it takes to show you how to make and promote mainstream sites that convert.

I'm gonna hit u up Monday or so about what we talked about before & this.

BTW, Sarah is the shit, in case anyone did'nt know.

doggiestyle_ec · 08-03-2003, 02:28 AM

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Originally posted by detoxed

Im not an affiliate, I'm webmaster support jackass.

managing 20 children must be stressfull.

detoxed · 08-03-2003, 02:29 AM

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Originally posted by doggiestyle_ec

managing 20 children must be stressfull.

I wouldnt know, but im sure your business is a real class act

hybrid · 08-03-2003, 02:30 AM

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managing 20 children must be stressfull.

Man, you're a dick and a half, ain't ya?

doggiestyle_ec · 08-03-2003, 02:31 AM

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Originally posted by detoxed

I wouldnt know, but im sure your business is a real class act

sure is

ill be sure to look you up when i need a net whore.

detoxed · 08-03-2003, 02:36 AM

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Originally posted by doggiestyle_ec

sure is

ill be sure to look you up when i need a net whore.

Hahaha like I would ever do anything for you

doggiestyle_ec · 08-03-2003, 02:37 AM

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Originally posted by detoxed

Hahaha like I would ever do anything for you

lol

you just proved my point fuckstick.

Sarah_Jayne · 08-03-2003, 02:42 AM

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Originally posted by stocktrader23

By the way, it breeds more than a "slight" sense of loyalty most of the time.

Yeah, I know..I just didn't want to sound too cocky ;)

I know from personal experience that when someone takes the time to reach out it sticks with you. When I first started I was looking to trade links with people when I was trying half-assed to do a tgp (many moons ago) and Lisa Marie from Gopostal was the only person that replied to me. From those conversations we ended up working together reviewing her sites and JJJ for nearly four years. Even now we still work together with Thumblords. A little kindess bred a lot of loyalty.

Sarah_Jayne · 08-03-2003, 02:42 AM

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Originally posted by hybrid
I'm gonna hit u up Monday or so about what we talked about before & this.

BTW, Sarah is the shit, in case anyone did'nt know.

Thanks hon, and sure hit me up anytime.

stocktrader23 · 08-03-2003, 02:48 AM

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Originally posted by doggiestyle_ec

lol

you just proved my point fuckstick.

Haha, I think I just figured out who this is.

Could it be?

doggiestyle_ec · 08-03-2003, 02:49 AM

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Originally posted by stocktrader23

Haha, I think I just figured out who this is.

Could it be?

i was trying to be nice to you cause we were neighbors

PD4L

stocktrader23 · 08-03-2003, 02:50 AM

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Originally posted by doggiestyle_ec

i was trying to be nice to you cause we were neighbors

PD4L

Cheers ya jackass.

Theo · 08-03-2003, 02:55 AM

ohh

magicmike · 08-03-2003, 03:29 AM

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Originally posted by detoxed
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Say I want to join your affiliate program and promote your stuff. I'd be starting from scratch and would want to earn $2k+ per month. What would you say is the best way to do this?

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ControlThy · 08-03-2003, 04:43 AM

I think it is also in the interest of the affiliate program owner to be as supportive as possible to affiliates that, with some help, could make you alot of money.

I help you - you help me?

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detoxed vip member Join Date: Jan 2003 Posts: 17,798	clueless affiliate program support I asked this question to many affiliate program employees/owners lately: Say I want to join your affiliate program and promote your stuff. I'd be starting from scratch and would want to earn $2k+ per month. What would you say is the best way to do this? I got 1 response that was any type of answer to this question. 1. How sad is that? Many people said "ask on the boards" or "im not a webmaster"

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Sarah_Jayne Now with more Jayne Industry Role: Join Date: Dec 2002 Location: Los Angeles Posts: 40,077	you obviously didn't ask me ;)

08-03-2003, 01:57 AM	#7
doggiestyle_ec So Fucking Banned Join Date: Aug 2003 Posts: 190	that is a stupid question

08-03-2003, 02:13 AM	#15
doggiestyle_ec So Fucking Banned Join Date: Aug 2003 Posts: 190	let me clarify my position a bit more.. loyal affiliates are few and far between. Why would i take the time to show 'you' the ropes and have you promoting another sponsor 2 months later? seems like a huge waste to me.

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Theo HAL 9000 Industry Role: Join Date: May 2001 Posts: 34,515	an affiliate program can provide you tools and materials to use in order to bring the $2k income per month, but they won't tell you how to do it. What answers would you like to hear? "make galleries" "make free sites" "buy traffic" "do picposts" "get SE traffic" ?

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Theo HAL 9000 Industry Role: Join Date: May 2001 Posts: 34,515	ohh

08-03-2003, 04:43 AM	#49
ControlThy Confirmed User Join Date: May 2002 Posts: 1,909	I think it is also in the interest of the affiliate program owner to be as supportive as possible to affiliates that, with some help, could make you alot of money. I help you - you help me?