Hey Webair... so your offer is uncapped?

Is there a setup fee or contract?
is it congent?
do you offer Real-time web statistics ?
do you offer web base email accounts? (like mynatmail.com)

What do you mean uncap it? All the RS 10 mbit setups are capped at 10 mbit.

Doubt Webair uses cogent bandwidth

I'm so glad I am with ISPrime, ive been with them since day one.
It couldn't make me more happy that they post on a public forum about how if you spam you get turned off, and how isprime will even turn large biz away to uphold their policy.

If someone spams on a network, part of that network's IP space can be blacklisted by many networks, since there are sites like spews.org that look out for spamming bastards. How does this affect you as a webmaster, simple - if an ISP blocks that network cause its known for spam, surfers can't access your site, you lose traffic - thats why these hosts take a such a strong point against spam.

ISPrime is reputable, no one can argue that. Brad Shaw spams, i mean - he's even put it in his sig before about how he's etiher looking to buy or sell lists. I'm just surprised personally that NationalNet would let BradShaw spam from their network, since everyone talks so highly about them..

NationalNet, do you host BradShaw? Cause if you do, and you know he's spamming, I would turn him off as well, cause in essence you are letting all your other clients get fucked.

Biggy2, you have no idea;-) Get back to your tgp.

brad, how can you deny it? ;)

I get spams to your porn sites in my inbox daily :)
If I give you some of my emails, will your promise to remove me from your lists?

if he has his own ip blocks he doesnt affect others

Although NationalNet are obviously overselling, I doubt anyone will step up for 10mbps for $485-- Considering they will accept adult websites.

either way, we all know the repercussions of spam..
i'm just glad i'm with a host who has a ZERO POLICY for spam and will turn away big business, rather than a host that will take spam..

sites like spews.org go after spammers, they wont just look at an IP block, they're gonna see whose hosting it, if it gets back to that company whose hosting it, you can be sure they will blacklist some of the IP space as well.

just ask some of the people who hosted on LikeWhoa near the end. I know some people whose traffic declined by almost 50% when they started taking spammers.

In NationalNet's defense, I checked spews.org and BradShaw's IP didn't come up in their database, but BradShaw also just switched over to NationalNet...

and its pretty obvious he spams, i get it in my inbox, lol :) i just wouldnt want to take that chance personally

If you get emails FROM me, you have either joined one of our sites, and put your email in a collecion box. If you do not want the email, remove, its pretty simple. You call that spam?

If you get emails to my sites, chances are they are affilates, we do not mail our own sites most of the time since the surfers have already seen them.

Webair.com is doing it for $475 http://www.linda-goodman.com/ubb/dude.gif

uh huuuuh...

how many complaints you get a day, maybe ISPrime can fill us in on the light since they hosted you....

The deal for national-net is very interesting, I might even take it..

if NationalNet made a public statement that they don't allow spam, and followed through and kicked your ass off there network Brad ;)

I heard theres good bulletproof hosting in Czechoslovakia and Eastern Russia, you should check it out.

Capped bandwidth is always a good bit cheaper than uncapped bandwidth because there's no way you'll use the whole 10mbps.

On a capped 10mbps line if you push it really hard you'll get about 7 megs out of it (but your site will be slow sometimes)
So 7 megs/$485 is $69 a meg....which is about what Jupiter hosting was offering me when I was talking to them.

Its still a good deal, especially considering the great things I've heard about Nat Net' support..but its not like they're selling below cost or anything.

This statement is NOT true. If a network is managed properly, spamming can be done and if anyone is affected negatively, it is only that particular client. We can do this because we have a big network, many IP blocks, and many different providers.

The reason some providers do not like to have clients who do mailings is that they will either get in trouble with their providers (most usual), or they don't like dealing with complaints. Since we maintain our own backbone, dealing with providers is not a problem for us. And since our clients, especially larger clients like Brad Shaw, are important to us, we work with them to support their mailing ... which if you haven't noticed is an extremely profitable part of doing business on the Internet now.

NationalNet has never and will never oversell the network. Though I can understand why you think that with a deal like this...

This is a one time event. Webmasters who get going on this package now will receive the same level of service as all our clients.

Keep in mind, mailing is not spamming. There is a major difference. If I could not mail my members, my payouts would drop. Same goes for any major PPS program, we depend on mailing our members to add to the bottom line.

Consider that your free lesson for today.

Brad, how many complaints you get a day? :)

Jeffery -

I want to make this very clear.

It sounds as if you are supporting SPAM. I've heard many good things about your company, this is something I would not expect.

If I'm Joe Schmo, I have a list of emails I want to Spam, and I have enough money, will you allow me to spam from your network?

Yes or No.

See sig. Hit me up on ICQ, if you like it .. :thumbsup

I apologize for the wording of "spam" -- I edited that out. We do not support spam where someone buys a list and spams it with material unrelated to the list.

We do support mailings on an individual basis -- the factors being how well maintained the list is and how well the client deals with the complaints and remove requests.

If you are wondering if we subscribe to the attitude some Internet users have that there should be ZERO mailings, then no, we don't agree. We do what is best for our clients, period. Though opinions of what is best may differ, we try to support all our customers' needs no matter what their opinion is.

So if I'm reading you right, nat-net's official policy on spam is that they permit it, no worries mate?

With the limited information I have... No. We are not a BP provider. It depends on many things about your list and methods of support.

Biggie, you may not like me, but keep that between you and I, do not bring Nat Net into it..... They run a top notch company.

Brad,

let me make myself very clear.

I have heard nothing but good things about National-Net. Thats why I am very surprised they are taking this policy and announcing it on a public board.


There is a very good reason hosts turn away spam, One being that they can get booted from their providers. Everything Nat-Net has said is true. The fact of the matter is, you have sites like spews.org out there that try to crack spammers, when they find out that Nat-Net is supporting these activities, they aren't going to let it fly.

Why dont you post how many complaints you get a day, then we can call it spam or not.

Spam is a loosely defined word, I know people who mail out millions a day, and get 5 complaints a month - WHY? cause they're smart, and it really is opt-in -- but it is from my understanding you get a little more than 5 complaints a month :)

is Webair around?

No doubt that you love isprime and are just stirring shit. I love to keep bumping this thread though. I figure more deals Nat Net can hook up, cheaper it will be for everyone else!

Jeffrey,

Can you elaborate on the quality of your bandwidth please.

The deal you offer sounds a bit unrealistic. As far as I know that none of the 7 TIER 1 backbone providers offer WHOLESALE bandwidth at the this price. So, what is the catch here?


How many TIER 1 providers do your peer with? What is your BGP AS number?

Do you provide any SLA in regards to network latencies and network availability?

Thank you in advance.
--A

answer the question..

<font size="5">how many complaints do you get a day?</font>

then we can call it spam or not, you denied it, now provide the facts and tell the truth! you seem to keep ignoring it and bringing up other shit that doesnt matter...

and youre damn right i love isprime, any hosting company thats smart enough to turn away money instead of hosting spammers are smart, and know they have a clean record.. :) and know in the future i wont see a decrease in traffic cause of blacklisted IP space...

my bitching is about you damaging their name when you are a complete and utter idiot, your checks bounce, you spam - and then you wonder why they kick you off..

if natnet was smart, they would kick your ass off now, get their bounced checks now, and worry about the headache of you badmouthing them later :)

So if I'm paying $450/Mb (95th %ile) for 8Mbps, is that way too much these days? It's Internap, which is great bandwidth, but obviously that's a pretty good chunk of change.

Cheers
-b

I can get 10mbps + managed server from phatservers.net for anyone who wants it for $500/month all day everyday.

I spam and I bounce checks? You have been talking to Alex too much. I have paid out in the tens of millions $ to webmasters, never bounced a single check. Next, you are a fucking idiot. Your TGP is calling.

Biggy,

Shut the fuck up already :) if you like your provider, well by all means stick with them. there is nothing wrong with that.

Please stick to your business and others will stick to there's.

seems like a good deal.... does it include the rack space?

Brad nicely priced sale yer having at freshphotos. I may just have to take that :P

how much of that 10 mill went out to spammers? :)

you spam, its obvious.

you put it in your sig you were looking to buy lists, right here on GFY.

you won't post how many complaints you get a day, cause you know its a lot.

you spam, end of story.

i have not attacked you on a personal level, but you cannot seem to help but attack me on one ;) even though you know nothing about me.. lets keep this professional.

its not my fault you spam.

All I know is based on the prices floating around this thread, I'm getting fucking rolled.

NatNet can be big but what sort of company makes the posts above that seem to give the impression they endorse spam?

Also the fact that you mentioned very little about the dedicated server specs and software is funny to say the least :2 cents:

Yes - I do - Especially when I cancel and still receive the shit.

Forgot to add - I never signed up for one of your programmes - Still get the spam, tho.