What did you think of the Acacia show today? - Page 2 - GoFuckYourself.com

jimmyf · 07-29-2003, 08:28 PM

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Originally posted by LadyMischief

I don't believe canada is covered at all in their patents... so if you're a canadian, unless you host in the us (and that's still unsure but I'm looking into it), Acacia has no claim.

better look real good. say you live in the US and have offshore hosting, open a online Casino see what happens.

Webby · 07-29-2003, 08:31 PM

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Originally posted by Sly_RJ

How can one go totally offshore to escape any risk of patent infringement? Are you planning on moving to a different planet?

The majority of "offshores" do not recognize US Patents.. - (ie they are US Patents) - they mean nothing in other areas and I doubt even Acacia is so dumb they want to spend money in all offshore jurisdictions - that is assuming any court will listen to their claims.

If they do....and succeed... roll on another 10 years before the case is heard

Webby · 07-29-2003, 08:35 PM

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better look real good. say you live in the US and have offshore hosting, open a online Casino see what happens.

Sadly that's the disadvantage of being a US citizen. "Offshore is illegal" and "Casinos are mail fraud".

Oh to be free!

Flow · 07-29-2003, 08:47 PM

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Originally posted by D-Money

Thanks for the support and kind words.

All I have to say is, others should be in my shoes for a second and try asking the questions. The pressure of asking the right questions is tough enough. I've been up for 48 hours making sure I asked the best questions I could, worded the best way.

When you listen to the archive, listen to the way things are worded. It took time to ensure I wouldn't be clowned for asking the wrong questions.

And if I get slammed for my questions, I know I can handle the heat. I've taken heat in the past. But I feel this was the right thing to do, communicate effectively. I'm an adult webmaster like everyone else, so I know people wanted those questions asked...

I personally think you did a great job dude and ask all the right questions to the best of your ability! Thanks for the great show!

Flow

The Other Steve · 07-29-2003, 08:54 PM

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Originally posted by Flow

I personally think you did a great job dude and ask all the right questions to the best of your ability! Thanks for the great show!

Flow

Agreed

Gemini · 07-29-2003, 08:56 PM

from what I understood from the show, affiliates are only safe if the sponsor they're promoting is licensed with Acacia. If the sponsor isn't licensed with them then they expect to collect from the affiliate.

Sort of like if a plane crashes and the airlines won't pay, then sue the makers of the bolts.

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I was ashamed of some of the foulmouths that thought they were impressing SOMEone, whoever they were. IDIOTS. But then what does a kid or someone with the IQ of a rhino know about business relations or respect. (I may not agree with them and might cuss them in a private meeting or in my own office, but in public, NEVER)

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Prior Art in and of itself will not overturn the patents. It needs to a specific SET of processes USING the prior art to win. Get it thru your single-celled brains.

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Their patents only cover so many countries.
As long as you hold a visa-citizenship from a country that recognizes the patent, you WILL obey that law or be fined-jailed. There are alot of other ways they will get to you no matter where you are.

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Did ANYone really expect this guy to be upfront and truthful?? If you did, then go to HomeDepot and apply now. We're a-hirin! Pay starts more than burger joints and insurance, profit sharing etc!! lmao The man (choke) is an attorney first and a CEO second. Yep, expect anything truthful from him with out their own spin.

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D$, you really should have thought about the traffic that would pop up. Whatever were you thinking of??

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Lady M, trust that acacia will try to attach the income generated from any Canadian site that does business with the US based companies. They could hold that income up for a lonnnng period of time GF.

So in the words of one of the gfy people who is so famed to be thick in the head, the show was more fluff and fodder than anything else.

bhutocracy · 07-29-2003, 09:24 PM

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Originally posted by Gemini

Their patents only cover so many countries.
As long as you hold a visa-citizenship from a country that recognizes the patent, you WILL obey that law or be fined-jailed. There are alot of other ways they will get to you no matter where you are.

of course. I and many others don't hold citizenship to such a country.

Cassie · 07-29-2003, 09:39 PM

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Originally posted by LadyMischief
I'm listening to the archive again, this guy cannot seem to give a straight answer to any questions.. Did anyone else find him wandering off and talking about things that were in HIS interests? VERY misleading, very evasive... Not as informative as I would have liked, and not for the lack of effort on D-Money's part. Thanks for trying, D!

absolutely but then again, that is what a good lawyer does. he/she will dance around an answer until someone less knowledgable gives up and thinks the answers presented before them are etched in stone.

this was informative. i do believe impa has information that will change the playing field a bit. lets be honest here, you wouldn't take on a company with patents of this magnitude without having information that will either end the game or make it run into some serious overtime.

this reminds me of a really good baseball game. with that being said, go yankees...lol

Mr.Fiction · 07-29-2003, 09:45 PM

It was a stupid idea to give the enemies of the adult industry one of your own propaganda tools.

I can't wait until D-Money has NAMBLA on his show to tell you why ASACP is wrong about child porn. He has said that people have a right to both sides, right?

It was a stupid move and it will hurt the adult sites in the lawsuits and help Acacia.

Gemini · 07-29-2003, 09:50 PM

Bhuto, OZ signs a lot of the international treaties. ANd I for one couldn't-wouldn't want to try and keep track of those things. Do you think that they couldn't pull one of those in to use as a side note? If you do, then you are more trusting than I am anymore.

D-Money · 07-29-2003, 09:57 PM

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Originally posted by Mr.Fiction
It was a stupid idea to give the enemies of the adult industry one of your own propaganda tools.

I can't wait until D-Money has NAMBLA on his show to tell you why ASACP is wrong about child porn. He has said that people have a right to both sides, right?

It was a stupid move and it will hurt the adult sites in the lawsuits and help Acacia.

Big difference, Acacia actually has a legal patent and can ask you to pay them according to the law.

They're not wrong unless a court invalidates their claims.

But I do get your point.

Mr.Fiction · 07-29-2003, 10:00 PM

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Originally posted by D-Money

Big difference, Acacia actually has a legal patent and can ask you to pay them according to the law.

They're not wrong unless a court invalidates their claims.

But I do get your point.

We had this argument once before and agreed to disagree.

It's your show and your right to do what you did, I just don't think it was the right decision.

I am happy to see you're having IMPA on again.

D-Money · 07-29-2003, 10:02 PM

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Originally posted by Mr.Fiction

We had this argument once before and agreed to disagree.

It's your show and your right to do what you did, I just don't think it was the right decision.

I am happy to see you're having IMPA on again.

It's all good.

TheGoldenChild · 07-29-2003, 10:09 PM

Larry Flynt says'" Fuck Acacia"

I liked that one myself

:-))

bhutocracy · 07-29-2003, 10:15 PM

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Originally posted by Gemini
Bhuto, OZ signs a lot of the international treaties. ANd I for one couldn't-wouldn't want to try and keep track of those things. Do you think that they couldn't pull one of those in to use as a side note? If you do, then you are more trusting than I am anymore.

I'm not going to go into my situation, but it's more complicated than that. However I am aware some of the treaty situations and am waiting for the results of the free trade agreement with the US to be worked out in particular relation to this issue even thought it may not be applied to me.

SixNine · 07-29-2003, 10:30 PM

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Originally posted by D-Money

I tried to have members from IMPA on, but their feed was bad, so they couldn't comment on some things.

We figured next week they can have their take on what was said.

Again, I subcontract the hosting for the live show seperately from my regular hosting, so we had only 4 T-1's broadcasting the media player live. If we had burstable bandwidth hosted on a bigget pipeline, we would have been fine.

In all fairness, we never knew what our max crowd would be because we never had this many people. Last week we had an idea it would have issues, so we lowered the bit rates. Now we know we must have more juice for the live shows, we're working on it.

To say having them on is a big mistake is a real stupid thing to say. Aren't we all adults with minds of our own? What's the fear?

It's like saying "I'd rather not know any better". That wouldn't hold up when it's your time in court. "Sorry judge, I had no idea".

Be glad we had an opportunity to hear a variety of subjects concerning this patent. We didn't exactly tell people to go one way or the other, as the D$ Show. We just asked the questions.

I guess I should go back to having KB impressions and bizzle fizzle drizzle talk.

I can't win sometimes....

LOL

Anyway, I did this show today because I felt as adult webmasters we have a right to know Acacia's claims.

You're all entitled to your opinions, I don't think any less of anyone if they didn't like it. You don't have to like it, but you shold be informed....

Fuck that D, you did a great job.

I caught part of the show and will download the archive in the morning and listen with my coffee.

SixNine

King Adam · 07-29-2003, 10:47 PM

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Originally posted by Mr.Fiction
I can't wait until D-Money has NAMBLA on his show to tell you why ASACP is wrong about child porn. He has said that people have a right to both sides, right?

What a horrible comparison. Are you serious? You are taking one thing that is not only illegal but not endorsed or accepted by anyone with morals and values, and you are comparing it to a company that by law has the right to protect their patent. They are doing nothing illegally, and they have some people that have accepted it.

I'm not saying its right, but if you are going to make a comparison, then at least make a more educated one. I have gotten my paperwork, and I've read it, and sent it to my attorney, and they have a valid claim, it sucks, but still valid. And until someone proves their patent to be invalid, well, your only real choices are to settle with them, or possibly go to court, or operate your business in a country where they don't have the patents.

Let's see what IMPA has to say next week on the radio show. I'm very interested in hearing their opinions on todays show.

D-Money for President. You were great today. You handled yourself very well, and asked great questions. I learned a lot of new things today, and in my opinion, these new learnings will help me more than scare me.

King Adam · 07-29-2003, 11:54 PM

One correction. I didn't mean to say a valid claim because in my opinion, I believe it will be proven to be invalid in the court process. I meant a valid patent.

My bad.

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Gemini Confirmed User Join Date: Jan 2001 Location: o-HI-o Posts: 7,183	from what I understood from the show, affiliates are only safe if the sponsor they're promoting is licensed with Acacia. If the sponsor isn't licensed with them then they expect to collect from the affiliate. Sort of like if a plane crashes and the airlines won't pay, then sue the makers of the bolts. ------------------- I was ashamed of some of the foulmouths that thought they were impressing SOMEone, whoever they were. IDIOTS. But then what does a kid or someone with the IQ of a rhino know about business relations or respect. (I may not agree with them and might cuss them in a private meeting or in my own office, but in public, NEVER) ------------------- Prior Art in and of itself will not overturn the patents. It needs to a specific SET of processes USING the prior art to win. Get it thru your single-celled brains. ------------------- Their patents only cover so many countries. As long as you hold a visa-citizenship from a country that recognizes the patent, you WILL obey that law or be fined-jailed. There are alot of other ways they will get to you no matter where you are. ------------------- Did ANYone really expect this guy to be upfront and truthful?? If you did, then go to HomeDepot and apply now. We're a-hirin! Pay starts more than burger joints and insurance, profit sharing etc!! lmao The man (choke) is an attorney first and a CEO second. Yep, expect anything truthful from him with out their own spin. ------------------ D$, you really should have thought about the traffic that would pop up. Whatever were you thinking of?? ----------------- Lady M, trust that acacia will try to attach the income generated from any Canadian site that does business with the US based companies. They could hold that income up for a lonnnng period of time GF. So in the words of one of the gfy people who is so famed to be thick in the head, the show was more fluff and fodder than anything else. __________________ <center><a target="_blank" href="http://dev.datedollars.com/index.php?s=signup&aid=535&cfg=aac"><img border="0" src="http://216.130.172.224/gfy/gsig.gif" width="490" height="100"></a><br><a href="http://dev.datedollars.com/index.php?s=signup&aid=535&cfg=aac" target="_blank"><b><font face="Arial"><font color="#FF99FF"> Buy me away from Slavedriver Smokey!<br>It's May Sig Sweeps!<font></b></center>

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