Of course - he's got to keep his powder dry - I think it would have been surprising if he had spilled his guts

Very frustrating though.

Interesting - he keeps referring to a percentage of gross - our package made NO mention of a percentage - for us there was just a flat fee.

Couple things to think about
Having Berman on today let you know more about who/what you're dealing with with regards to Acacia's position

Having listened to part of the broadcast and then going back and listening to it in entirety I realized Acacia may still "double dip" (listen closely, video providers are only exempt and covered by what Acacia terms webmaster license if the video providers DON'T provide video samples on their site and don't make content available via zip file download)

In my not so humble opinion Berman didn't come off well in some segments of the show and obviously did a lot of tap dancing

Darren you did a very good job today, much thanks

it's better to be educated than not

I hear you man...

No worries, it can be debated.

Me personally, I'd rather know as much as I can before heading to the show and meeting with them.

This gave everyone an idea of what their claiming. I'd bet everyone listening learned something they didn't know, even if they won't admit it.

I still think the main way to prove that the Acacia patent is bullshit is to go back to the original reason that it was rejected the first time it was put to the US patent office. They found it to be "unpatentable." When the Acacia guy was grilled on it he didn't have much to say, only that the first time they didn't "understand" the technology.

It's obvious to me they just pushed their bullshit through the overworked U.S. patent office until someone bit on it.

Interesting Reading on the Acacia Patent (.pdf)

I have to give you props for patience... He was very pushy in my opinion, loved to argue, and was preachy.. I would have lost it and started screaming at him :)

I shouldn't have said you were after a scoop, I was listening to it as I was posting and was at the IMPA bashing part, I learned a lot I didn't know, and am grateful of the chance to hear it, just people are getting uneccessarily scared.. I just really think this is a topic you don't have to be impartial on - it's not webmaster vs webmaster, it's david against goliath with leeches against our industry - fuck giving them a fair platform, they should be shadowed by the IMPA every time they open their mouths. The factual information we got was great, but they also got the chance to put spin and scare into people that could have been avoided with rebuttals, if thats going to be on the next show than great..

ps the fake larry flynt thing was funny as fuck.

scare tactics and extorsion. all the people from acacia DESERVE to ROT IN HELL

Thanks for the support and kind words.

All I have to say is, others should be in my shoes for a second and try asking the questions. The pressure of asking the right questions is tough enough. I've been up for 48 hours making sure I asked the best questions I could, worded the best way.

When you listen to the archive, listen to the way things are worded. It took time to ensure I wouldn't be clowned for asking the wrong questions.


And if I get slammed for my questions, I know I can handle the heat. I've taken heat in the past. But I feel this was the right thing to do, communicate effectively. I'm an adult webmaster like everyone else, so I know people wanted those questions asked...

50?

better look real good. say you live in the US and have offshore hosting, open a online Casino see what happens.:Graucho

The majority of "offshores" do not recognize US Patents.. - (ie they are US Patents) - they mean nothing in other areas and I doubt even Acacia is so dumb they want to spend money in all offshore jurisdictions - that is assuming any court will listen to their claims.

If they do....and succeed... roll on another 10 years before the case is heard :1orglaugh

Sadly that's the disadvantage of being a US citizen. "Offshore is illegal" and "Casinos are mail fraud".

Oh to be free! :Graucho

I personally think you did a great job dude and ask all the right questions to the best of your ability! Thanks for the great show!


Flow

Agreed

from what I understood from the show, affiliates are only safe if the sponsor they're promoting is licensed with Acacia. If the sponsor isn't licensed with them then they expect to collect from the affiliate.

Sort of like if a plane crashes and the airlines won't pay, then sue the makers of the bolts.

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I was ashamed of some of the foulmouths that thought they were impressing SOMEone, whoever they were. IDIOTS. But then what does a kid or someone with the IQ of a rhino know about business relations or respect. (I may not agree with them and might cuss them in a private meeting or in my own office, but in public, NEVER)

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Prior Art in and of itself will not overturn the patents. It needs to a specific SET of processes USING the prior art to win. Get it thru your single-celled brains.

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Their patents only cover so many countries.
As long as you hold a visa-citizenship from a country that recognizes the patent, you WILL obey that law or be fined-jailed. There are alot of other ways they will get to you no matter where you are.

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Did ANYone really expect this guy to be upfront and truthful?? If you did, then go to HomeDepot and apply now. We're a-hirin! Pay starts more than burger joints and insurance, profit sharing etc!! lmao The man (choke) is an attorney first and a CEO second. Yep, expect anything truthful from him with out their own spin.

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D$, you really should have thought about the traffic that would pop up. Whatever were you thinking of??

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Lady M, trust that acacia will try to attach the income generated from any Canadian site that does business with the US based companies. They could hold that income up for a lonnnng period of time GF.



So in the words of one of the gfy people who is so famed to be thick in the head, the show was more fluff and fodder than anything else.

of course. I and many others don't hold citizenship to such a country.

absolutely but then again, that is what a good lawyer does. he/she will dance around an answer until someone less knowledgable gives up and thinks the answers presented before them are etched in stone.

this was informative. i do believe impa has information that will change the playing field a bit. lets be honest here, you wouldn't take on a company with patents of this magnitude without having information that will either end the game or make it run into some serious overtime.


this reminds me of a really good baseball game. with that being said, go yankees...lol :thumbsup

It was a stupid idea to give the enemies of the adult industry one of your own propaganda tools.

I can't wait until D-Money has NAMBLA on his show to tell you why ASACP is wrong about child porn. He has said that people have a right to both sides, right?

It was a stupid move and it will hurt the adult sites in the lawsuits and help Acacia.

Bhuto, OZ signs a lot of the international treaties. ANd I for one couldn't-wouldn't want to try and keep track of those things. Do you think that they couldn't pull one of those in to use as a side note? If you do, then you are more trusting than I am anymore.

Big difference, Acacia actually has a legal patent and can ask you to pay them according to the law.

They're not wrong unless a court invalidates their claims.

But I do get your point.

We had this argument once before and agreed to disagree. :)

It's your show and your right to do what you did, I just don't think it was the right decision.

I am happy to see you're having IMPA on again.

It's all good.

Larry Flynt says'" Fuck Acacia"

I liked that one myself

:-))

I'm not going to go into my situation, but it's more complicated than that. However I am aware some of the treaty situations and am waiting for the results of the free trade agreement with the US to be worked out in particular relation to this issue even thought it may not be applied to me.

Fuck that D, you did a great job. :thumbsup
I caught part of the show and will download the archive in the morning and listen with my coffee. :)

SixNine

What a horrible comparison. Are you serious? You are taking one thing that is not only illegal but not endorsed or accepted by anyone with morals and values, and you are comparing it to a company that by law has the right to protect their patent. They are doing nothing illegally, and they have some people that have accepted it.

I'm not saying its right, but if you are going to make a comparison, then at least make a more educated one. I have gotten my paperwork, and I've read it, and sent it to my attorney, and they have a valid claim, it sucks, but still valid. And until someone proves their patent to be invalid, well, your only real choices are to settle with them, or possibly go to court, or operate your business in a country where they don't have the patents.

Let's see what IMPA has to say next week on the radio show. I'm very interested in hearing their opinions on todays show.

D-Money for President. You were great today. You handled yourself very well, and asked great questions. I learned a lot of new things today, and in my opinion, these new learnings will help me more than scare me.

One correction. I didn't mean to say a valid claim because in my opinion, I believe it will be proven to be invalid in the court process. I meant a valid patent.

My bad.