16 year old gets life w/o parole in California

[Gutterboy]

A teenager who was 14 when he kidnapped a businessman and shot at police has been sentenced to life in prison without possibility of parole, becoming one of the youngest defendants in California history to receive the penalty.

Antonio Nunez, now 16, was sentenced Friday by Orange County Superior Court Judge William Froeberg, who rejected arguments that the sentence was cruel and unusual punishment.

In addition to life without parole, Nunez received four additional life terms and 121 years for being found guilty of six counts of attempted murder of a police officer, assault, evading, street terrorism and committing crimes for the benefit of a street gang.


http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/articl...623EDT0450.DTL

[Paul Markham]

The whole thing is unbelieveble, but my Mother ands Brother live in Orange County and I know some of the neighborhoods are bad.

[BRISK]

Actions have consequences

[Gutterboy]

Originally posted by BRISK
Actions have consequences

Is it a bird? Is it a plane? No, its Captain Obvious!

[kad]

Originally posted by Gutterboy


Is it a bird? Is it a plane? No, its Captain Obvious!

[BRISK]

Originally posted by Gutterboy


Is it a bird? Is it a plane? No, its Captain Obvious!

Thanks Captain Sarcasm

[Captain Evil]

Fuck you both

[Ironhorse]

This sentence is extreme but I bet the judge felt there was no hope to reform this individual and he would always be a 'bandido'.

[Project-Shadow]

Not being rude or nuttin..
But whats the point in living if your gonna be in jail for the rest of your life?

Gay anal sex galore sure..
But I mean apart from the pleasures

[mrthumbs]

Originally posted by Project-Shadow
Not being rude or nuttin..
But whats the point in living if your gonna be in jail for the rest of your life?

Gay anal sex galore sure..
But I mean apart from the pleasures

hehe

[TheViper]

Originally posted by Project-Shadow
But I mean apart from the pleasures

Whoaaa you are not talking from experience right now eh

[Project-Shadow]

Originally posted by TheViper


Whoaaa you are not talking from experience right now eh

Might be.. don't you remember that night out in Turkey?
LOL

[senseidru]

I spink that sentance was very fair.

[Rochard]

Originally posted by BRISK
Actions have consequences

Exactly.

When a 14 year old picks up an AK47 and shoots at police, well, I don't think there is much chance of him becoming an upstanding member of society as we are.

Lock him up and throw away the key. That will teach him a lesson.

[pimplink]

I wonder if he has a father figure. Many delinquents don't have a father figure or there is alcoholism/drug dependence in the household. No, Im not painting this guy as a victim--however, instead of jerkoffs claiming that the system is stacked against minorities, they should focus on the plague of illegitimacy that afflicts minority communities.

[pimplink]

Originally posted by charly
The whole thing is unbelieveble, but my Mother ands Brother live in Orange County and I know some of the neighborhoods are bad.

Santa Ana namely.

[BRISK]

Originally posted by RocHard


Exactly.

When a 14 year old picks up an AK47 and shoots at police, well, I don't think there is much chance of him becoming an upstanding member of society as we are.

We're upstanding members of society?

[mjrools23]

Originally posted by BRISK


We're upstanding members of society?

of course, we provide goods and services and pump the economy

[pimplink]

Originally posted by BRISK


We're upstanding members of society?

Yeah, we are. We have families. Most of us pay taxes. Most of us have good work ethics.

Except, unlike the rest of the population, pants are optional in our industry and its not 9 to 5. Can't get any better than watching tits and ass in your boxer shorts after waking any time of the day while smoking some quality Cuban cigars and sipping a fine espresso while checking stats

[Fletch XXX]

Originally posted by RocHard



Lock him up and throw away the key. That will teach him a lesson.

Proof that americans do not care about rehabilitation, which is what our jails are for.

just another soul we pay for.

some of you people should think about things.

you know how many kids we have let die and rot because of statements like this? Where is the reform?

remember they are called 'correctional facilities,.'

but hey lock em up forever, that fixes the problem doesnt it?

I'm not saying he doesnt deserve jail or even death penalty, but this frame of mind if why 67% of criminals that hit prisons stay in prison instead of rehabilitation.

its a cycle, and our taxes pay for it.

I got a cousin doin 25 since he was 16 for armed robbery and murder.

holy fuck thats some serious shit!

never EVER to be able to drive a car or have kids or get married...

spend the rest of your days in a cell recieving quality manlove

[dav555add]

No rehabilitation for some piece of shit who is already shooting at cops when he's only 14.
There should be a law that allows the justice system to put them down, just like you do dogs who are dangerous. Too many people on this planet.

[Gutterboy]

Originally posted by Fletch XXX
some of you people should think about things.

I think you've identified the problem

[pheal]

121 years for shooting at fucking cops? I hope he killed some for that price.

I hate police, never there when you need them, always there to cause trouble when you did nothing. Fuck them police officers.

[Fletch XXX]

Originally posted by dav555add
No rehabilitation for some piece of shit who is already shooting at cops when he's only 14.
There should be a law that allows the justice system to put them down, just like you do dogs who are dangerous. Too many people on this planet.

What do you think made him that way? Or do you think he was born to shoot at cops?

Your society made him, now your society imprisons him.

Funny little game we play with the criminals, you play like you dont see them, but they dont go away, the problem remains.

Because of people like you.

Sad.

[jollyperv]

Ha, that's what the little prick gets when he tries to act like his favorite rappers. Fuck him, I hope he gets raped bad.

[Fletch XXX]

For the record, i didnt even read the article, and im not speaking up for this kid in patrticular, im talking about the frame of mind surrounding criminals and how to deal with them.

'Lock him up for life.

'Put him to death'

Quick answers for an age old problem.

[Number1Thumb]

Originally posted by pimplink


Yeah, we are. We have families. Most of us pay taxes. Most of us have good work ethics.

Except, unlike the rest of the population, pants are optional in our industry and its not 9 to 5. Can't get any better than watching tits and ass in your boxer shorts after waking any time of the day while smoking some quality Cuban cigars and sipping a fine espresso while checking stats

This my friend is SOOO fuckin true.

[pimplink]

A key fact that supports your points is that PRISON is the Number one training ground for criminals. They come in for a lower crime and in prison they learn the mentality that prepares them to commit harsher crimes. There is no intervention mentality of rehabilitating or psychiatric counseling. There is only the "lock em up and throw away the key" mentality.

This results in more hardened criminals that can't get jobs or don't want to get jobs when they get out.

Maybe the focus should be in job and life/relationship skills. :2cents

Originally posted by Fletch XXX


What do you think made him that way? Or do you think he was born to shoot at cops?

Your society made him, now your society imprisons him.

Funny little game we play with the criminals, you play like you dont see them, but they dont go away, the problem remains.

Because of people like you.

Sad.

[Gutterboy]

Originally posted by pimplink
They come in for a lower crime and in prison they learn the mentality that prepares them to commit harsher crimes. There is no intervention mentality of rehabilitating or psychiatric counseling. There is only the "lock em up and throw away the key" mentality.

Thats what strikes me as funny. The same people who get all rah rah for no comfort, no education, no counseling, no job training jails are the first to chime in with self righteous outrage at the recidivism rates.

[Fletch XXX]

Originally posted by pimplink


Maybe the focus should be in job and life/relationship skills. :2cents

There are plenty of inmate programs that work, and that without some criminals really would remain criminals.

There are hundreds, maybe thousands of people walking these streets that were at one time doing 10-25 + years, now they are old and have done their time.

Think they deserve a life? Theyve paid for their crime, what if we just put them all to death instead? Better?

Some programs really make that difference for some criminals.

I was part of an Inmate drum training camp with John densmore opf the Doors and BB King back in the early 90s, sound dumb huh? Giving inmates drums and having teaching music?

Those classes made those guys feel good about themselves, they were once musicians now they were criminals, id like to think some of them went on to realize their mistakes and better temselves, of course rehabiliation lies within, but we must give tem the oppurtunity to do so.

Locking them up for life, and throwing away the key is NOt the answer. Nor is putting that kid to death, let him do 35 years, maybe he will change. Maybe not.

There is no quick fix here.

[chodadog]

Holy shit. That's one hell of a sentance. There's no doubt in my mind that this kid needs to be locked up, but life without parole, another 4 life sentances, and a further 121 years, is a bit much. Fuck, he didn't even kill anyone.

There are actual murderers pleading down to manslaughter and are out in 5 or 10 years. Just seems a bit inconsistent to me.

And to the people saying there is no hope for rehabilitation, you're full of shit. There have been plenty of kids that have been in gangs, and yes, shot at police, that have managed to get out and go on to live a good and decent life.

[pimplink]

I agree -- it is ironically delicious but its also human nature. People, by nature, want the benefits without having to pay the cost.

On a related note, Indian prisons started giving out free Vipassana meditation courses to prisoners in lieu of exercise. These prisoners have lower recidivism rates than the regular population.

Originally posted by Gutterboy


Thats what strikes me as funny. The same people who get all rah rah for no comfort, no education, no counseling, no job training jails are the first to chime in with self righteous outrage at the recidivism rates.

[cherrylula]

And no punishment for his worthless parents who raised him to be that way?

bad parenting is to blame.

[foe]

he didnt get it for nothign

[Libertine]

It strikes me as odd how it is expected that someone who legally can't drive, drink or fuck should take full responsibility for his actions. After all, by not allowing someone doing those things, you are actually saying he can't and shouldn't handle those responsibilities.

Personally, I think people should be locked up until there is very good reason to believe they have been rehabilitated and will be able to function as productive members of society.

[pheal]

If it wasn't so easy to get a gun in the US, there would be less crime, don't you think so? People always seem to look at the results but never at the main sources problems.

[Fletch XXX]

Originally posted by pheal
If it wasn't so easy to get a gun in the US, there would be less crime, don't you think so? People always seem to look at the results but never at the main sources problems.

So deny an entire country the right to bear arms because some kid takes shots at cops?

Hell even Tupac shot cops!

People worship him.

Lets get rid of alcohol, and violent movies, and everything else adults cant have because kids go crazy with them. Get real.

People kill with cars, should we get rid of those too?

Vehicular homicide is just as much a problem as guns.

http://www.karisable.com/crmvh.htm

[Libertine]

Originally posted by cherrylula
And no punishment for his worthless parents who raised him to be that way?

bad parenting is to blame.

I think that is oversimplifying things. There are people with good parents that end up in crime, and people with bad parents that become presidents.
Recent studies even indicate that peers have a much stronger influence on teens than parents.

[cherrylula]

Originally posted by punkworld


I think that is oversimplifying things. There are people with good parents that end up in crime, and people with bad parents that become presidents.
Recent studies even indicate that peers have a much stronger influence on teens than parents.

I suppose so, but I still believe that bad parenting is to blame in most cases.

There are too many people having children that are not qualified to raise another human being. I see this every day.

There's more rules when it comes to owning pets than having kids it seems nowdays. And yet they keep popping them out like no tomorrow.

[azrared]

Does anyone else think that this judge used the sentance for publicity as well as an example to other would be criminals in the sates. I think that the sentance is just a bit over the top, considering the maximum life expectancy is on 110 years and the kid is already 16. If they are just going to let him rot and die in a jail cell and take up space until he does, why not just give him the death penalty? No one obviously believes that he has a chance to reform so why let him breathe?

[Libertine]

Originally posted by cherrylula


I suppose so, but I still believe that bad parenting is to blame in most cases.

There are too many people having children that are not qualified to raise another human being. I see this every day.

There's more rules when it comes to owning pets than having kids it seems nowdays. And yet they keep popping them out like no tomorrow.

But there's little you can do about that. Forced sterilisations and such have gone out of fashion some time ago.

[loverboy]

a broken family is one of the reasons why kids are driven away from their homes and rebel about their misery.

[cherrylula]

Originally posted by punkworld


But there's little you can do about that. Forced sterilisations and such have gone out of fashion some time ago.

yeah but wire coat hangers are cheap.

winkwink

[Fletch XXX]

Originally posted by azrared
Does anyone else think that this judge used the sentance for publicity as well as an example to other would be criminals in the sates. I think that the sentance is just a bit over the top, considering the maximum life expectancy is on 110 years and the kid is already 16. If they are just going to let him rot and die in a jail cell and take up space until he does, why not just give him the death penalty? No one obviously believes that he has a chance to reform so why let him breathe?

They say it costs more to put them to death.

I say they keep him alive for that long so they get the funds to keep him.

Jails only get funds for how many inmates they house.

<a href=http://www.worldpolicy.org/globalrights/dp/dp-cost.html>The Cost Of Death Penalty In California.</a>

'In Los Angeles County, the total cost of capital punishment is $2,087,926.

In Los Angeles County, the total cost of life imprisonment without possibility of parole is $1,448,935.

A study done by the Sacramento Bee argued that California would save $90 million per year if it were to abolish the death penalty.

The average cost of a capital trial in Texas is $2.3 million--three times the cost to incarcerate an individual for 40 years.

The average cost of a capital trial in Florida is $3.2 million. '

[Libertine]

Originally posted by cherrylula


yeah but wire coat hangers are cheap.

Forced abortions aren't too fashionable either these days

[cherrylula]

Originally posted by punkworld


Forced abortions aren't too fashionable either these days

yeah yeah yeah i hear ya

but there is no excuse for a 14 year old running loose killing people ya know. His parents should be tied up and flogged.

When I was 20 I was legal guardian for my 13 year old sister. She started cutting classes and the school counselor called me in to discuss this.

They gave ME a fucking notice that if she continued, I would be fined a couple hundred bucks and have to go to court and all that stuff. But I suppose not all schools/cities are this on the ball with keeping kids in line.

[azrared]

Originally posted by Fletch XXX


They say it costs more to put them to death.

I say they keep him alive for that long so they get the funds to keep him.

'In Los Angeles County, the total cost of capital punishment is $2,087,926.

In Los Angeles County, the total cost of life imprisonment without possibility of parole is $1,448,935.

A study done by the Sacramento Bee argued that California would save $90 million per year if it were to abolish the death penalty.

The average cost of a capital trial in Texas is $2.3 million--three times the cost to incarcerate an individual for 40 years.

The average cost of a capital trial in Florida is $3.2 million. '

Oh I see how it is...you see news reports and prople running for office always talking about the problem of prison overcrowding but in instances like this I can understand why the politicians never really do anything to try to solve the problem.

omg/..........

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