JSWENSON

50 people think Paul is trolling.

But Paul is not.

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2 pages of content and skimmed traffic

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fuzebox

I can't sign up to my own sites with my own cards and it drives me crazy.

That's the game though, unless you want to start running uncoded transactions

JSWENSON

I've said it a few times here but in the last 15+ years I have successfully test signed to a CCBill site exactly 0 out of a dozen + times. All different banks, cards and even names.

iFriends took all cards. MTree same. Chaturbate same. iBill got them all no problem before they ran.

Some people here that run sites on these things should give OnlyFans or similar a try because it's insanity.

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Sweet jebus, are we still discussing this?

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Please explain how a paysite can operate with only $125 of content.

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So you had customers who had bought content on your site?

Then sold them to another site with content on their site.

You chose the site to sell customers to because it was the best to sell them to, made you the most money or the first you found and couldn't be bothered to look more because traffic is king and you're a genius!!!

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Despite affiliates attempts to prove they are the greatest and the porn Internet couldn't survive without them the truth is different.

Affiliates do no more than suggest to surfers where to go, if they do send them to the join page they can only do that honestly with content from the site.

They don't create traffic, the people are already looking for porn. If there were 1% of affiliates there would be no less surfers looking for porn. In fact today the most traffic is on sites that rely very little on affiliates. Has traffic dropped in the last 10 years? Since the introduction of Tubes affiliates earn a lot less from suggesting porn sites today.

Content was always king, from the days of Newsgroup, to TGPs to today's Tubes surfer go to places that have content. They're not looking to be herded around by anything else but content. The idea that they're sheep to be sent where the affiliates decide is stupid. Any shepherd who loses 46 out of 47 sheep would be sacked. That doesn't include the people who look at a sample or page and reject it without clicking a link.

For over 20 years ratios have told you how good affiliates are. 1 in 200 means 199 out of 200 didn't buy when sent by these geniuses to the sites. Maybe as many as 999 didn't anything by going to the next promotion.

The reason is simple, the people see what's offered and didn't like it. It wasn't good enough, free is better and does the job, they don't trust the person suggesting the site or the site, etc.

So no excuses that you convert 1 in a 1,000 because 999 don't like porn, don't have credit cards, etc.

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So tell us why so few buy porn when there are so many surfing porn sites. You must have a better answer than mine.

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thommy

the affiliates you are talking about are dead like the biz-model that helped you to survive.

i am right now in bangkok at AWAsia and from the 3500 participants around 3000 have "affiliate" on their badge. I spoke to quite a few in the past days and did not find one that owns a website or promotes a pornsite.
but all of them want to buy traffic from pornsites and have huge budgets.

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Exactly that.

They don't care what type of traffic as long they can throw scam offers at them.

Porn sites became infected whores who offer unprotected sex for $0 - but still, need your credit card.

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scam is what the user sees at scam.

if you talk to someone who is not familiar with our biz he will tell you that the biggest scam are pornsites because he knows that you can download a video and duplicate it at no costs 100 million times - and THIS is the value they see in it.

if a user signs up in a casino he knows that the money he will win or lose you can not produce by copy and paste.

if a user is signing up in a dating plattform he have he hope to get a girl - what is also not producable with copy and paste and if he buys livecam or his next holiday trip he is also aware that this is all nothing you can copy endlessly with just a click.

I was actually here to find advertisers that are not promoting the usual stuff, as I do have more than enough buyers for that. and there are sooooooo many options and nearly ALL of this people do not have a problem to buy the traffic for those products from porn sites.

this idea is not new - I tried that aleaday in the 90s but it was impossible to find this advertisers back than. this is why we all have been forced to sell one and the same product over all those years.
now the market have changed and it brought billions in brandnew revenues.

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We can agree to disagree on this one. Just because the user doesn't understand he is being scammed it doesn't mean he isn't. Many of the high performing offers are misrepresentations of the truth at best, no matter how many in the mainstream affiliate space would prefer not to admit that. It's an inconvenient truth to many, but let's call a spade a spade.

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thommy

but is that really unusual?

you can buy a pair of jeans that are made from the same people, with the same material in the same factory for a 10th of the price when the brand name is not on it.
is it a scam? i would say yes but a well accepted scam.

but i know what you mean and this is why I am always try to prevent this really ugly stuff and don´t allow to promote it in my network.

but I am pretty sure that we can agree that 99% of the users are seeing the value of a digital product completely different from us.
on the other hand our biz was always selling dreams - and we also know that dreams can´t be sold anymore as soon as they come true.

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So show us the mainstream companies advertising on porn sites.

I would love it if you were right. Because bringing on mainstream advertisers would lead to sites being able to afford to produce their own content to publish. Much like TV use to paid for by advertisers. The truth is slightly different. Maybe a few want to test cheap traffic that comes from porn sites, maybe a few want to advertise on 3rd rate free porn sites. Until we see major brands spending huge bucks on the major tubes, you're blowing shit up our asses

Proof would be showing us you're right.

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Scams run from showing the few great samples, over selling a site to send people to sites full of crap, to banging cards.

Your business is 100% content driven. Without great content you don't have enough surfers to click on ads, which will only buy from sites with a great product. The fact that you don't have content to sell doesn't mean it's not your most important thing.

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Content is King.

Because if you put porn online it will attract billions of surfers to come and consume it. It's a case of if you build it they will come, maybe not to your site but they will come.

That's the way the Internet works. Sites with the best content get the most traffic. Which one of these has bad content https://www.similarweb.com/top-websites which one rips off the user?

Study the Bounce rate, page views and time on site on site of the top porn sites. They've got there by the content they offer, the lack of scams, the honesty of the sites, the fact that they know content is KING.

No surfer goes online to be shunted from site to site by webmasters who think they're in control of them or thinks that they're stupid and that's what we've believed for over 20 years. A conversion rate of 1-1,000 views means we control them, nowadays 1-35,000 on a good sample still makes some (morons) think they're in control of surfers.

Even if you don't have to buy the content, think not using or videos, think content can be found anywhere etc. You're still having to send them to sites with great content if you want to make a living.

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thommy

what is my advantage if i proof you anything (because it is not US it is YOU who does not know it) ?

I know it and all others here seems to know it as well.
so the only one that do not know how this biz is working is you.

and if you know it or believe or not does not make the world spinning faster.

I give a shit on your opinion as I know how to make money and you do not.
nothing wrong with that.

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The problem started early on with paysites bending over backwards to cater for affiliates. 50% rev share, PPS meant the money spent on the core product, the reason surfers were buying the product suffered.

It's very hard to produce good porn on a limited budget unless it's self shot amateur of a great model with the talent to project herself onto the screen. That's not something every girl can do without motivation, direction and someone knowing how to get the best out of her. That's the skill of a pornographer and what separates them from webmasters with a camera.

The problem was from day one few webmasters sought out pornographers and proved they would make more money online than offline. Even though most webmasters would tell you they were making a fortune online and pointing to someone else's site to prove what money was made online. Not one of them could point to their website and prove this is making me $millions. Most of them offered derisory money for content they sold elsewhere for great money.

Today Tubes dominate and unless something drives them out they will continue to dominate. Pre-tubes so many webmasters didn't understand online porn, missed out on a great chance to make money, thought traffic was king, didn't realise the surfer is in control of them and resorted to tricking, scamming or throwing 100,000s of surfers at their sites to make a living and blaming others for their problems.

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What is the advantage of proving anything.

A. It proves you're right and not talking out your ass.

B. We all know the major tubes and until mainstream spends money noting will change.

C. It will get you a lot of respect, because so far some mainstream companies have tried a failed on porn sites.

D. It's not my opinion, not what I believe, this isn't a private message everyone can read it.

E. You have a record of blowing shit up people's asses without proof.

F. It would take less time to post the URLs of pornsites with mainstream advertisers on them.

G. This site sells ad space, where are the mainstream advertisers?

H. Why do you avoid proving me to be wrong?

Are those enough reasons for you to prove it or not?

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Is this why your entire catalog is selling for 500 bucks ?

Paul, you really are near and dear to my heart, Content was king in porn before the internet, The King is Dead, All Hail the King

The true king in online is processing power and money, money buys the traffic and the content. And merchant processing turns it into more money, wash, rinse, repeat
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thommy

but everybody except you knows it.
why should I explain the quantum theory to a learn resistant?

you know shit as you do not even know how to visit a tube to find out wo is promoting there. you cannot even stop your adblocker alone - so how do you want to check those sites from each location and with every kind of device?

are you aware that a modern adserver is even able to deliver ads for a city or a part of a city?

and i can buy what exactly with your respect?
and do you know HOW MANY THINGS are mainstream?

but WHY should I write for everyone things what they already know?

good - I hope that a lot of people will do the opposite of what I say - that keeps competition away.

as I said: you will not even see the site in all it´s variety because you are unable to understand targeting.

why should I post URLs from the sites I market?
why should I tell anyone who my buyers are?
was that in your "golden times" like that to post things about partners and customers???
I can not remember that it ever was like that.

paul you prove yourself wrong - I do not have to do that.
EVERYBODY here knows that.

NO !

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Content is still king. What is all that money used for, to gather, to publish etc so that surfers will come to the sites with the best content.

Yes there are better ways to process, to buy traffic and to get better content. But it all leads back to content. Why do the top sites have the most traffic, because they have the best traffic or because they have the best content.

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It's actually because they spend millions of dollars a year on backlinks from affiliate sites starting in 2010 to dominate Google for all the porn terms.

Paul Markham

Showing URL isn't quantum physics.

That's why I know how to use VPN. I'm currently on a London one based in the Docklands. So are you telling me that's not a good place to advertise?

Everyone can read your posts this isn't a private message. Others would love to show me mainstream companies on the advertising on the major Tubes. So why haven't they? Because it's only happening in your dreams.

Because no one else is saying I'm wrong. So either you're lying or I'm wrong.

Advertisers don't target London Docklands because no one there buys online?

Who says your buyers? I doubt that you have any, so post some of your competitions ads.

Yes you do, because you're wrong. No one else is showing me these mainstream companies so I'm sticking to the knowledge they only exist in your head.

Because you can't prove you're right.

I would love for porn advertising to get so big that it could allow sites like xvideos, xnxx, etc to sponsor their own porn productions more than they do. So that more porn models and small low cost studios could profit from operating like the big Vloggers on Youtube do. No model makes the money these guys do because the advertising revenue isn't high enough. With mainstream advertising that would change. Mainstream companies have marketing budgets that put to shame porn's marketing budgets.

The problem has always been targeting and what mainstream loses by advertising on porn sites. Sites like Youtube, Tumblr, Stumbleupon, Pinterest, Facebook, restrict it or ban outright because it doesn't make money for them. Could big money advertisers pay top dollar for adverts on porn sites? NO, NO, NO. The loss of reputation would cause more harm than good.

Would small advertisers buy adverts on porn sites? What's the target audience for a guy with his dick in one hand and lube in the other? We need someone who is able to understand targeting to explain that to us. Can Thommy because it's a mystery to everyone here except him.

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1. because they have the MOST content
2. because they got the most traffic from the start through embedded videos
3. because they had from the start on a better streaming technology as the most paysites
have.
4. because of 1 and 2 they are the most famous because all world including mainstream media is talking about them
5. because they are FREE
6. because those guys understood that the biggest value is traffic and returning customers and they understood that they will not get this mass when they charge users for watching videos.
7. because with all of that they made that much money that they even can afford to buy more traffic from those who did not understand that you can make much more by giving something free and let the sales work do those who understand it and PAY for doing this hardest part of the job.

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why shall i prove the world is round ?

loooooooool - I think you realy do not have the SMALLEST clue of the revenue of such sites. and WHY should the produce content? they are not producers and they do not WANT to be producers.
producers PAY THEM to get their content online there.


paul you are an idiot. you compare apples with coconuts. most of the "influencers" are the same poor idiots as most porn producers are.
and also you will find a lot of unsuccessful amateurs - same as you will find VERY successful ones.

you clown do not even know the difference between image marketing and affiliate marketing.
if you would know that you would know that we are talking from 2 VERY different types of marketing. sure apple will never sponsor a porn video but do you know HOW MANY iphones are sold through affiliate channels on porn sites?

THIS is the reason why it does not make sense to explain you anything because you do not even know how many different forms of marketing are existing.

no it is a mystery to YOU.
a small advertiser can not buy ads on a good porn site because he is not able to compete with all the big ones that are already there.

and if you really believe that a wanker does nothing else than wanking, you are completely wrong.

i will also not explain you what targeting means as you again DO NOT HAVE a clue about it.

do you really believe that billions of revenues that are just running through the top 10 porn ad networks are paid because the advertisement is not profitable?
on what strange planet do you live when you believe that people donate this money ?

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Did you see the bounce rate and time spent on the site? No, because you ignore what surfers do of their own accord and always think you're in control. Do the Google algorithms now favour sites that don't see surfers coming straight back? Do you stay or return to a site that's no good? So why do you expect others to?

Google just gathers huge numbers of surfers then sends them to the sites that match the search words. The surfer makes the decision where, how long to stay and whether to consume. All the money Tubes spends comes eventually from content sales.

A bad site needs more traffic than a good site. And there's your problem.

From 1997 or was it 1996 pornographers were selling online and we all told the same story. Sales were low, prices offered laughable and it was only a secondary market, offline was where the money was.

When approached by webmasters they were offering deals where they got all the content and went off and did what they liked with it and sent us some rev share deal or laughable money. We all had access to models, skills and knowledge how to get the best out of them, Gonzo shooters weren't scared to show their faces, equipment, staff, time, money and a huge inventory of content for updates. We were constantly shooting so new content was coming all the time. Plus we could tweak our content to suit styles. Very, very few were employed by publishers and all it took was for webmasters to prove the money was online.

But it's all over now as Tubes dominate and have most of the traffic which produce a fraction of the money of old. How many here make a 100% living from their own porn sites or selling other porn sites. Pre-Tubes most were making a living, some can retire on their income from porn.

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You still don't get it. They keep the surfers they get, look at the bounce rate, look at the return rate, look at the time spent on the site. If they weren't the best for porn surfers they wouldn't be getting that. Even if all porn traffic landed on their sites, the surfer isn't to be led like sheep they will go where they want to.

1. Why do they have the most content?
2. Why do the have the most embedded videos?
3. How can they afford to have the best streaming technology?
4. Why do the have mainstream media is talking about them?
5. Free is just the start if they were all shit they wouldn't make money.
6. Why do they get people returning?
7. Why do the have all of that they made that much money?

You keep ignoring the main thing. They please the most surfers the best most of time. If they didn't surfers wouldn't stay on their sites. Do you stay on a site that you don't like, doesn't deliver what you want and is wrong for you?

So why do you expect surfers to?

You gave all the reasons a webmaster would, not one you use when surfing yourself.

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Bullshit. I'm stating you're lying, prove me wrong.



If mainstream advertises on porn tubes the cost of clicks would rise or not? There's a finite number of ads to be shown before they lose their effectiveness. So a rise in Ad profits can only come from a higher price for clicks or more surfers clicking on them. Will mainstream pay more?

I'm assuming they will, then having Channels of scenes from good models or good studios would be a boost to traffic. That's why Tubes would sponsor or pay more. If there's no more money with mainstream advertising it makes no difference.

So you're saying there's little money in porn, would there be more if mainstream were competing for ad space?

No I don't know how many iPhones are sold through affiliate channels on porn sites. Because you won't show me. Maybe someone else will.

So do tell us what people are on Tubes and porn sites for if it's not to jerk off. Please tell someone who has been in the porn industry 40 years what wankers are doing if not wanking or looking for something to wank over. Maybe they're looking for a good iPhone to buy.


People are spending $billions on ads because these sites have the best content, then the most surfers. One always precedes the other. If they didn't have the best content, surfers wouldn't stay, wouldn't return and wouldn't see your ads and you wouldn't make any money. Because adverts wouldn't be profitable.

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hey old man did you read the link you have posted here?



1 google.com Bounce rate 28.99%
2 youtube.com bounce rate 25.19%
3 facebook.com bounce rate 32.21%
4 baidu.com bounce rate 33.30%
5 twitter.com bounce rate 31.28%
6 instagram.com bounce rate 40.36%
7 xvideos.com bounce rate 26.30%
8 wikipedia.org bounce rate 58.89%

what you want to tell us about bounce rate? that wikipedia is the worst site in the internet?

do you even know what bounce rate means?
it means that a users have left the domain after watching one page.

and what?

if someone is using the video search in google he will probably visit 20 individual domains - watch a movie and leave - is this so impressing for you?

ask them !
ask where the TGPs got the content from and you will be in the near.

you proved here again that you did not even know what i am talking about.

because they make money and started with CAPITAL and a logic idea.


because they are visable and more interesting than you ever was.

heh ???
what a fuck you are talking about. alone pornhub makes over 30 million adrevenue per month, you troll.

because obviously they like it.

because the business model works in opposite to yours.

so you think they would survive with the 10 videos you might call "good"
you have really no idea what internet is.


but you see that surfers DO IT - what are you fucking talking about ?

I don´t even know if this sentence of you makes any sense but i don´t "surf" on pornsites - i analyze them

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here we go again - you prove again and again that you do not have a clue where the price for an ad comes from.

the measure is quite simple as it is a competition that is going on.
the one that can make more out of it can pay more than others and receives
the most traffic.

as long as porn sites could only promote porn the limitation was at the maximum what can be made with this products.

now let´s say a casino makes an average of 5000 dollar on each customer in average they can simply pay more than a porn paysite that have an average of 200 dollar per user.

and now imagine that there are in the meantime buyers for whatever and they are smart enough to know that the contact to a buyer who will buy whatever in hislifetime is much more valuable as the first sale. he can even run without profit on this first sale and push all profits back into the bid.
maybe today this gay sells a datingoffer but next month he will sell the same user his next holidays or his new computer.

what do you think will happen with the price?

if you believ it or not - the VERY best traffic comes from sites with no content at all.
parking sites i.e. have HUGE results but unfortunately just very very few visitors.

I NEVER said there is little money in porn. YOU are the one that tells us here month for month that porn is dead.

today we make a multiple with free porn as to sell porn.
porn-users do not only wank.

you won´t believe it anyway and if I would start to tell you that there are people that are paying advertising on pornsites to give iphones for free you will believe it less.

so tell me what people doing on weather sites? buying thermometers?
tell me what people are buying on a recipe site ? cooking pots?
tell me what people are buying on fun video sites? jokes?

you will never understand that a wanker is a consumer.
and BECAUSE many of you old clowns did not understand that you are all fucked by life.

I think you have never watched a tube.
and I think you have never in your life seen analytics stats from a tube and usage of single videos that have such a bad quality that you can buy the licence for less than 1 dollar.

your mind is focused on a group of people that are thinking EXACTLY like you.
unfortunately this group is smaller than 0,0001% of all possible buyers.
where you end up when you focus on just this group we have all seen.
if you want to focus on the mass you need everything for any kind of taste. good, bad, fat, slim, cute, ugly, young old etc.....

and if a user wanks on fat, old ugly women - he will be hungry after that and calls the burger delivery when he sees the banner next to the video.
and if he is in gambling mode he will possibly join a casino or make a spots bet but maybe he just want to win an iphone, get a loan or he will join the dating site with a lot more fat, old, ugly ones.
right now we are selling a lot of winter tires in the german market and you know what? I can not tell you what kind of porn a users likes that needs winter tires. but i am sure YOU KNOW.

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As we speak I am working on a site that will spend $0 on content, promote multiple offers and make money.

The claim that I need to spend big bucks since tubes fucked us all is so lol hilarious but more so coming from Paul.

So start a tube, numbnuts. As you said it's simple.

Paul Markham

Compare it with porn sites bounce rates.



They still have content, where they get it doesn't matter.


Answer my question.

Yes they have the capital, why would anyone give them the capital if they couldn't get the traffic and then the return on that content. You keep ignoring the fundamental reasons they are the biggest porn sites.



What the fuck does that have to do with anything? Do they talk about you?


Have you seen their accounts? So show them to us.



Now you get it. This is the only reason for all of your reasons they're the biggest.



Again what the fuck does that have to do with it?



what are you fucking talking about?



Look mat the average time people spend on the site.



Apart from saying surfers like the sites, you analyse them as a webmaster. I analyse as a salesman and marketing man. I look at why people stay, return and how that leads to the place they have in the industry. You analyse the tools they use. Anyone can use those tools, what separates the top tubes from the others is what I analyse.

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Where you send the traffic, will that have zero content and nothing to sell?

Be sure to show us the site when it's finished. It has to be so wonderful no one can copy it because you're so marvellous.

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The price would sky rocket. But as you said "imagine" this proves you're dreaming. If you're not dreaming showus the casinos advertising on porn sites getting customers who spend an average of $5,000. 1-5,000 means each click is worth $1, deduct all the other costs, winners, losers, website, marketing etc. Then the price for click for the site comes crashing down.



Andmthese sites send people to sites with no content?



I never ever will say porn is dead, today we have more surfers on porn sites than ever before, it's just that so many get it for free.
So tell us what else is porn for if not to jerk off, get a sexual lift, maybe the drama, Please tell us all so we can all learn. pathos, comedy, horror or just to while away on those rainy afternoons?



That's possible as people give away prizes. But are they advertising iPhones on porn sites?



They're looking at the weather, looking for recipes and could need cooking pots, etc. So show us the ads where mainstream advertise on porn sites. So far all you do is talk big while wasting time when it would be much easier to show me the sites that have mainstream adverts on them. I've surfed a lot of porn sites and to date the only mainstream I see is a few dating sites and gambling sites. The majority is porn being sold to porn viewers. I turn off my ad blockers, use a VPN with different locations buy mainstream items on my computer and phone, see loads of mainstream ads everywhere else. But not on porn sites and so far no one else has chipped in with a URL to prove me wrong.


A site like a top Tube doesn't get to be a top tube because it only has $1 videos.



So show us the Burger, Tyre, Loan ads on porn sites. No need for the Dating or Gambling sites as we all know they dabble in the porn market.

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Thommy told us
So will they spend that money on porn sites and give the porn sites a boost in revenue. Or not?

He announces it like it's big news, then tells us it's already happening even when I tell him I don't see much proof. Yes we know dating and casinos spend money so nothing new there.

Will they advertise on porn tubes or JSWENSON site with no content and send the traffic to their sites with no content. Just because these two people don't use their content to make money doesn't mean it's not King, just they're not using content to send people to site with content, even if it's a dating site. The content is the 10,000 or more people on the sites.

Content is what people want online, what drives them and makes them eventually spend money.

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So this show has 3,000 out of 3,500 affiliates that don't own a site of any kind, rather than site owners of brands with sites selling their products/content.

Do so few product owners buy advertising space and leave it to affiliates working on a small % to make it work for them? Or is it just this show?

Also imagine an affiliate who finds a gambling site where the average customers spends $5,000. Advertisers don't analyse customers like that and any marketing man would know this. They want to know where the customer comes from, what type of site sent them, what they income is, the best time to attract them and more.

A type or class of customer who has all the desirable attributes (such as gender, age, location, financial capacity, lifestyle, brand affinity, etc.) that increase the possibility of an opt-in or a purchase, (your perfect type of client).

So would that be surfers on a porn tube site spending an average of $5,000 each and paying affiliates the whole amount?

The click rate and sales level would have to be so high Tubes would be spending a lot more to get the best traffic. While making double sure they only get what they want.

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I am tired to explain paul the world - can someone else take over the geriatric care ?

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Don't you get it? If all the bread makers would stop selling bread for so cheap they'd all get richer. But no, they want to pay the workers a living wage, pay a fair price for ingredients, pay a percent of their profit in rent and electricity. If only all these bread companies would stop catering to cheap bread buyers they could get $10 for bread and everyone would make more. Then these idiots let the store make up to 50% of the sale price while doing none of the bread making.

I made bread in 1980 with the best stones but nobody will pay for my bread because they want the better tasting, better looking, less pretentious bread these companies are just giving away.

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TRUTH

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That is funny as fuck

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That Paul is now in here saying that ad buyers know less than him is so perfect. If you can't figure out why you can't win buying ads it's because someone else does it better. Nobody is bidding up the ad buys in bulk to lose money.

And as thommy mentioned, some companies look 40 years into the future. I looked forever for an article on 1-800 Flowers I think it was but when I was in that space and researching Adwords costs their model was to spend something like $40 or $50 to acquire a new customer knowing that they would sell them flowers on multiple holidays over multiple years. They lost their ass on the first sale just like Dollar Shave Club and a million others. Even Facebook and similar use that model, take market share then laugh to the bank. And in the flowers example it might have been multiples higher, was like 15 years ago I had all of that data on hand.

It's also why Paul thinks it's stupid to pay affiliates 50% or a high PPS. He doesn't comprehend the ancillary benefits of owning the site nor does he factor in long term revenue. Hell a lot of companies factored in that once they quit paying affiliates 3 years later they'd cash out X.

In reality, affiliates and those with traffic dictate the payouts programs have to offer just like the ad buyers dictate how much banner ads cost on a tube. You pay me $5 PPS I'm not sending you a single surfer, $35 and we can talk.

Literally nothing Paul says is based in reality but he says it with such ego and confidence that it cracks me up every single time all these years later.

JSWENSON

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There you go Paul. A crash course into monetizing traffic with no high quality content. Linked to join, whole pitch could be a lie. Site could suck, girls could be ugly, webcams could be low resolution or pre-recorded Russian feeds.

Now you too can sell porn, finally.

thommy

not true - because when you are seraching for porn in google you will not see this sites in the top 5.

in this really big keys there are sites with NO CONTENT.

search for free porn - result is

1. ixxx - own content = ZERO
2. redporn - own content = ZERO

search for porn

1. fuq - own content = ZERO

search for porn movies

1. ixx - own content = ZERO
2. tiava - own content = ZERO
3. again tiava

the big tubes are not that nailed on the top 10 but they get of course a lot of visitors through the clicks on embedded players that are included in millions of small sites

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Eh, they aren't really targeting generic terms hardcore but they do dominate anything more specific no matter how many sites host it.