you did not win in iraq and avghanistan...they absolutely hate your guts...if anything, things are now much worse than before...and it cost you trillions...thats no victory at all...you only made the people dressed in scam uniforms surrender...you have more enemies now than ever in history...

This is interesting and I wonder if it is related...

US ramping up cyber attacks on Russia (without trumps knowledge)

https://www.cnn.com/2019/06/15/polit...sia/index.html

I never said they liked us.

We removed their government from power and defeated their military. At this point they are no longer a military force, but a small terrorist group only capable of a single bombing once every three or four months.

In both cases this was a complete victory for the United States. Are we still in Iraq? Yep. Are we still in Afghanistan? Yep. We are also in Japan and Germany as well. Italy too.

Why not stop being a dumbass for 5 minutes. I don't see anyone rushing to defend Iran. Clearly there was a attack but so far the US military hasn't supplied us with actual proof it was Iran. They claim it's Iran but they certainly have not proven that it was.

There are a lot of actors who could have attacked those tankers.. There is obviously Iran, then there is Russia, then there is the Saudis who maybe want to try and push us into a war with Iran. Same with Israel.. for the same reasons. ISIS or someone like them probably could have the capability.

Then there is the other option.. what if it was warhawks with in the US who are trying to push us into war with Iran? How do we know there wasn't a black op by a contractor such as Academi with rouge elements like Bolton in our govt who clearly want a war with Iran..


The simple fact is the US govt has not proven the case that Iran is behind the attacks. I will admit there is extremely high percentage chance that they are but as Bush said...

“There's an old saying in Tennessee — I know it's in Texas, probably in Tennessee — that says, fool me once, shame on — shame on you. Fool me — you can't get fooled again.”


Bush & Cheney never fooled me because I asked these same kind of questions before Iraq.. I saw then it was a lie before the 1st bomb dropped..

I will most certainly will not simply believe Trump or Bolton because "they say so"..


It's very simple.. if the same boats shot shoulder fired missiles at our drone before they attacked the ship, then show us the footage.. Show us the surveillance footage of this boat before and after the attack..


Don't be a fool for 5 minutes of your life.. act like an adult just once..

The problem is there is zero trust in the Trump administration to tell the truth.

This is exactly what Democrats have been trying to explain to Republicans. Everything coming out of the Trump White House is a lie at this point. Every single thing. The latest lie was about a "Secret agreement with Mexico" which is nothing more than an agreement to have "more talks". We tried to explain the Trump White House has ZERO credibility. None at all. Zero.

Sure does look at like Iranians. Then again, this is in the Persian Gulf so they all look Middle Eastern and they all have the same kinds of boats.

We've been here before with Republicans in the White House telling us we need to go war only to find out everything was a complete lie.

Yes and because Bush/Cheney lied to take us into Iraq and because Trump lies daily they have made this country less secure because no one, not even our allies believe us anymore.

Republicans are 100% to blame for this. Can't blame Obama, can't blame Hillary.. Bush lied to take us into Iraq and Trump hasn't made it a day in office with out lying about something.

THIS is why lying matters.. Because maybe it was Iran.. but Iran knows no one will believe a word out of Trump's mouth so they have impunity.. We now have to prove with out doubt 100% that Iran did it because NO ONE believes a word that comes out of Trump's fat ass mouth. Due to this Trump has put our country at risk..


Idiots like Baddog, onehunglo and squealer can not grasp something this fucking simple. The story of the "sky is falling"...

UH OH! honest mc honest face prince bone saw of saudi arabia just accused iran of the attacks!!!!!! oh nooooooooooooo! bone saw is such a credible and honest figure!!!...oh shit iran is in some deep shit now...*bone saw noises* "iran did it!" *bone saw noises*...

list of honest entities accusing iran now:

1) honest honest "iraq has WMD" US government
2) bone saw

I find the likely-hood of the Saudi's involvement here to help push for action that they want to see. No other single player has that level of interest to incite the progression.

And while we know there are much more effective methods that could have been used here by any nation in the area, this one makes it hard to 'PROVE' anything.

The only thing we should be advocating is no escalations of involvement at this point. That seems to be what they want, so deny them of it.

But, I can see this tit for tat escalation is well on it's way. What will be done next to seemingly justify our next step.... ...you know it's coming.

The dutch ship that took the people on board said that the crew of the attacked ship said there was something suspicious attached to the hull of the ship.

https://nos.nl/artikel/2288909-neder...-van-oman.html

At this moment it could be anyone. So many people want things to escalate to get their goals.
It could be green terrorist. The oil prices went up and that might save the planet for being 0,00001 degrees celcius less high in 100 years.

So now neither Germany or Japan believe the Trump admin..

https://japantoday.com/category/nati...tacked-tankers


See Red Hats this is what you've done to this country. Two of our best allies no longer believe the WH because the WH under the last 2 Republican administrations has consistently lied to them.

This is why telling the truth matters. Trump has now put this country in danger because of his constant lying..

That's what a magnet mine is... something suspicious attached to the hull of the ship.

But because Trump constantly lies about everything Iran can get away with it because no one will believe Trump because he is corrupt.

Thanks for making America less safe Republicans and Red Hats.. Lying matters..

Being able to be believed is a asset.
Something we lost after Iraq. And somehow, I find myself highly skeptical.
But you should always question the powers that be. it is your life and future at stake here.

If we had questioned more in the past, perhaps things would be different. But it is clear the threshold has been lowered.
have we become what we use to fight against ?
To big for our britches as my grandma use to say.

The Trump administration has zero credibility in anything at this point...

Notice none of the right wingers have anything to say.. Its because they have no defense...

Republican voters stick with republican "leaders" no matter how much they lie.

the truth is always the first victim of the US gov....

^^ this ^^