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TheFLY · 04-05-2003, 05:56 PM

See my fucking sig motherfuckers.

I was bored today so I pumped up one of my oldschool sources of income... I seriously owe a good chunk of my crazy lifestyle to Lensman and Adult.com and Amateur Pages clickpic program... this isn't spam -- it's a true story:

I graduated from college -- I'm making money on some click programs -- but not much... I got all this pornstar and celeb and model traffic and fucking nowhere to send it. Those assholes were freeloaders... One day I'm talking to Tommy from Tommy's Bookmarks on the phone... I'm telling him "Tommy I got all this damn traffic but I'm not making dick." -- he gave me some excellent advice! He's like Pete -- I see all these guys that submit to me -- they are using Amateur Pages clickpic program... I'm thinking -- ohhhh shit -- I just got a tip from the very top! So I sign up and I was bling blingin! I coded my first traffic trading script and serious my life was fantastic... I had a new car, new house, new girlfriends... I had so much free time I had a different date every day... I moved to NY and to LA... and really it was when I was chillin in LA on Venice beach that I really came to find myself and the meaning of life... If I had been working for IBM or for some fucking ISP I would never have escaped the fucking system... now I'll never turn back. I'm Boneprone 4 Life you bitch ass niggas and you can all suck my dick and sign up under me hoes... You will see how fucking easy it is to make money with this shit -- see my signature... You know you can send traffic to oxcash and make some coin but in the end you are still making shitty ratios and you are wondering if next week you will still be making signups! Fuck that! I want to relax... Let Lensman worry about ratios -- fuck let the Playmates worry about ratios -- how do you think Lensman affords these crazy payouts when everyone else is a slave to shaving partnership programs that suck ass and get saturated... Amateur Pages has been running strong for YEARS and YEARS! IT WILL NEVER BE SATURATED! You look at these chicks and honestly a lot of them are ugly bitches in the click-pic program but who the fuck cares Lensman makes that shit somehow I don't know how he does it but he does -- maybe it's the strip show tour -- I don't know -- but I'm not a salesman -- and I don't fucking care... All I want to do is have a good time and fuck around. I hate work! I really fucking hate work and I thank my fucking lucky stars!!!!!!!!!!

LENSMAN YOU ROCK! See you at Internext man with the Boneprone Family!!!

SIGN UP YOU BITCH

TheJimmy · 04-05-2003, 06:01 PM

I'm now officially inspired....

...to go acquire the beverages of choice for this fine evening...

boneprone · 04-05-2003, 06:01 PM

I told you you should sign back up and go back to your roots and push AP.

NOw all you have to do is go with the advice that followed that saying you need to move to Portland and get away from all those distractions in Florida.

Im telling you man, I have some great ideas that im going to be putting togehter soon and I want you here.

Seriously.

boneprone · 04-05-2003, 06:15 PM

As for the whole old school amateurpages story, about 3-4 years ago The Fly also told me about the program.

I was pushing about $6k a month on it easy for several years or so at 6 cents per click with kick ass ratios. Pete the Fly would tell me everymonth that since I signed up under him I was paying his rent since he made 1 whole penny of every click i sent. Thats a lot of pennies paying rent for just reffering me!

At times I also think I should go back to pushing AP but it seems my traffic has changed quite a bit since then both quanity and quality wise casue the final push I gave it about a year ago just didnt do well for me . A combination of my traffic quality going down hill with market saturation and my dying work ethic really played a part when it came to my traffic being good enough to make it worth while anymore not just fo rme but for them as well.
Sure AP is said to be a program where you dont need to worry about ratios, but I had a little special arrangement going for me back in the day so for me quality was equally important.

I remember in the day Lens would give me the green light to cheat and send traffic anyway I wanted becasue my ratios were so damn good he didnt care. (in fact this wasnt that long ago, maybe just last year i think) I would blind link, text link send with the Jesus hitbot and my ratios were great, all around 1:600 for many years of 6 cents a click. People would always get pissed that they would see on my sites me "breaking the AP rules" to send traffic to AP. Id always tell them if you can send over 2000 clicks a day and be around 1:500 im sure they would be allowed to send anyway they wanted as well. Fact of the matter was my traffic was good back then. Really good. I really worked on it. Today I dont know the meaning of work unfortunatly and Ive been real lazy. (hopefully ill get my work ethic back some day)

My traffic must have dropped real real bad in the last couple years casuse I finally got an email fro eric telling me i couldnt open AP in another window anymore. I figured my time was up and days of that great quality traffic were behind me. For the first time I had gotten a complaint from adult.com on how I was sending them traffic. The writing was on the wall. In fact my account may even be canceled im not sure, casue i was too lazy to make the changes for weeks after he told me. Boneprone may very well be in the cheating Russians Box! Haaaaaaaaa

Nevertheless like I told you pete AP is,was and still will be a good program. Someone like you who focuses on quality traffic as I once did would seriously kick ass with the program. LEt me know how it goes. Someday I hope to get my act together again and also get back aboard and push that traffic back to AP. It was the easiest way to make money and probably sitll is.

TheFLY · 04-05-2003, 06:16 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by boneprone
I told you you should sign back up and go back to your roots and push AP.

NOw all you have to do is go with the advice that followed that saying you need to move to Portland and get away from all those distractions in Florida.

Im telling you man, I have some great ideas that im going to be putting togehter soon and I want you here.

Seriously.

if you want to hire me as a stunt dick for your nasty paysites -- that's tempting... but seriously Florida is kicking ass for me right now! The weather here is amazing! I'm outside all day long... today I was at an art festival -- played some chess on the patio -- ran a few miles... i can finally sleep naked and walk around my apartment naked all the time! I'm fucking naked right now!!!!

asuna · 04-05-2003, 06:18 PM

Atleast this isn't a war thread

mule · 04-05-2003, 06:19 PM

What the fuck is wrong with you guys? Now all the n00bs are gonna start promoting Amateurpages and fuck up our lifestyles! Boneprone, please delete this thread!

boneprone · 04-05-2003, 06:20 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by TheFLY

if you want to hire me as a stunt dick for your nasty paysites -- that's tempting... but seriously Florida is kicking ass for me right now! The weather here is amazing! I'm outside all day long... today I was at an art festival -- played some chess on the patio -- ran a few miles... i can finally sleep naked and walk around my apartment naked all the time! I'm fucking naked right now!!!!

You see. You have the same disease as I do.
Lazyness.

What ever happened to the days when we were one of the hardest working webmasters around.

We even had a reputation for it.

We must be getting old.

Its time to start working again.
I just bought a house and put over 60k down.

Im starting to run out of amateurpages savings man its time to work.

TheFLY · 04-05-2003, 06:33 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by boneprone

You see. You have the same disease as I do.
Lazyness.

What ever happened to the days when we were one of the hardest working webmasters around.

We even had a reputation for it.

We must be getting old.

Its time to start working again.
I just bought a house and put oer 60k down.

Im starting to run out of amateurpages savings man.

You can work man... It's time for me to just enjoy life... Sieze the cliche... Ur right tho we did work hard. I remember when we first met -- you would send me like 100 ICQ's every day -- I got so pissed off -- I seriously thought you were nuts -- you kept talking about how you were beating people up.... but the reason I knew you were going to be someone to be friends with -- your work ethic! you hustled me for hits! SO I KNEW you were going to be hustling everyone for hits! it all came down to the HUSTLE back in those days! Fuck you couldn't just set up a script -- you had to do some verbal battle to get good link placements! I mean -- fuck do you know your trades? Put me at the top you nigga because you are my homeboy! It was like that... all the stats were really LOW TECH -- i mean i'd look in my logs and see boneprone.com 30000 hits i didn't know if that was button hits or blind hits or nipple fits u were at the top and I was at the top... and every once and a while we would throw in a new guy like that guy from picwarehouse and those other little sites hahaha and platinum dave's old site haha irecommendsex.com -- his ICQ name was like "molson ICE" ahaha he must have been an alcoholic before platinum bucks and then he changes his fucking name to "platinum dave" -- whatever! dave you are such a dork! Molson ICQ was the shit but then you get a paysite and you are too cool for your roots... well i'll remember that PLATINUM

DAVE bling bling baby haha

hybrid · 04-05-2003, 06:34 PM

You guys are'nt thinking like businessmen. Your hunger is debilitating your senses.

Check this out, why not work smart, and not hard?

Scoop up some hungry n00bs (like myself) and show us the ropes. Have us sign up under you, so we work our asses off, earning our worth like you once did, yet you reap the benefits.

From my perspective, I've plunged into a world where I've neglected the rest of my life (with the exception of college) to endure through this obscure environment of information and confusion. Where you do not know who to trust or what words to believe. Where you are told you will never make it and the chances of earning enough money to quit your fulltime job so you can concentrate on earning grades good enough to recieve a scholarship for your Masters. Where you are so flooded with choices, that you don't know which path to take, so you stand alone, waiting for something to pull you under, to be worth the integrity you have.

You don't want to waste it, you want to utilize it. You want every effort to be efficient.

And yet, no relief.

I have that integrity. I know I could whoop some serious ass, if I knew which direction to point my talents.

Think about it. Bone, Pete, you know how to reach me.

picpile · 04-05-2003, 06:37 PM

you had a gf? how much did she cost?

AdultNex · 04-05-2003, 06:39 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by hybrid
You guys are'nt thinking like businessmen. Your hunger is debilitating your senses.

Check this out, why not work smart, and not hard?

Scoop up some hungry n00bs (like myself) and show us the ropes. Have us sign up under you, so we work our asses off, earning our worth like you once did, yet you reap the benefits.

From my perspective, I've plunged into a world where I've neglected the rest of my life (with the exception of college) to endure through this obscure environment of information and confusion. Where you do not know who to trust or what words to believe. Where you are told you will never make it and the chances of earning enough money to quit your fulltime job so you can concentrate on earning grades good enough to recieve a scholarship for your Masters. Where you are so flooded with choices, that you don't know which path to take, so you stand alone, waiting for something to pull you under, to be worth the integrity you have.

You don't want to waste it, you want to utilize it. You want every effort to be efficient.

And yet, no relief.

I have that integrity. I know I could whoop some serious ass, if I knew which direction to point my talents.

Think about it. Bone, Pete, you know how to reach me.

Well said.

boneprone · 04-05-2003, 06:40 PM

Yeah I remeber the days bitching at people telling them to add my links. I was really aggressive back then.

I would INSIST that they move my links up.
I would make it so that the people who I traded with knew that Id be on there ass if they moved me down. I would know everyone and everyone knew me, and I could send 100 webmasters to any program to push in less than 24 hours if I wanted. Damn those were the days. The hungry aggressive days.

To some extent I still do that. BUt most these guys now days are sensitive pussies. Its hard to deal with shmucks now days. Actually I just gave up. I was a sales man with an attitude and an edge back then. I knew everyone and everyone knew me. IF someone would dare and drop me in a trade they knew that Id talk behind their back and get others to drop them as well. I think thats how the whole "family" thing got created.

Some fucking Russian cheated me on day i remebner liek 4 years ago, and I told him he'd pay.
Next thing I knew he came back writing me how me and my "boneprone family" killed his site by removing all his trades. He wanted to know how i did that. I think it was kst by pure luck that I knew everyone he was tradig with, and the programs he was pushing. ( i got those shut down too)

It was pretty funny at the time, but it was amazing how much influence I had at the time.

Almost makes me want to start working again and getting back up to where I was. Now its more like I play my old self on TV and the old me is gone. Oh well. Fuck it.

TheFLY · 04-05-2003, 06:42 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by hybrid
You guys are'nt thinking like businessmen. Your hunger is debilitating your senses.

Check this out, why not work smart, and not hard?

Scoop up some hungry n00bs (like myself) and show us the ropes. Have us sign up under you, so we work our asses off, earning our worth like you once did, yet you reap the benefits.

From my perspective, I've plunged into a world where I've neglected the rest of my life (with the exception of college) to endure through this obscure environment of information and confusion. Where you do not know who to trust or what words to believe. Where you are told you will never make it and the chances of earning enough money to quit your fulltime job so you can concentrate on earning grades good enough to recieve a scholarship for your Masters. Where you are so flooded with choices, that you don't know which path to take, so you stand alone, waiting for something to pull you under, to be worth the integrity you have.

You don't want to waste it, you want to utilize it. You want every effort to be efficient.

And yet, no relief.

I have that integrity. I know I could whoop some serious ass, if I knew which direction to point my talents.

Think about it. Bone, Pete, you know how to reach me.

Wow well I appreciate those words of asskissing but I don't give away free traffic anymore -- that's Choker's game... He always pays on my fake contests... You got to work on the new guy's like choker -- they will help you if you really beg... because they still give a shit -- it's like a food pyramid or a stockmarket scam -- there's different levels and you are at the bottom -- eating your essential rice... and you are confused by the mayhem of adulthood and school... I've been there so I'm not putting you town. It's confusing as hell -- and honestly if you "wake up" too fast to what life is really about -- you will be fucked -- because you haven't earned that foundation... the foundation of thought... working out your thoughts completely and living your life "in order" -- you can't say to yourself today "fuck it i'm going to be a pornographer 100% and quit school and demand 100% freedom" -- no you can't do that yet because you are too afraid -- you have to walk those dark streets at all hours -- you have to witness the bullshit first hand -- you have to watch people get burned OVER AND OVER AND OVER again -- until you finally have enough sense to say -- ok THIS IS NOT FOR ME!!! Then you just say Fuck it! I'm going to do WHAT I WANT TO DO! Not what this fucking society wants me to do -- not what my parents want me to do -- not what my girlfriend wants me to do -- not that TheFLY wants me to do!!! You just do what you want to do and that's it!!!! No looking back -- and not punishing yourself -- BONEPRONE 4 LIFE NIGGAAAAAAAAAAAAHS

notion · 04-05-2003, 06:42 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by picpile
you had a gf? how much did she cost?

TheFLY · 04-05-2003, 06:43 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by picpile
you had a gf? how much did she cost?

Please fool. I have sooo many lovable qualities you wouldn't believe. Besides i'm a fully trained and successful trainer... When I pull out my paintbrush -- you know where I'm dipping...

TheFLY · 04-05-2003, 06:46 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by boneprone
Yeah I remeber the days bitching at people telling them to add my links. I was really aggressive back then.

I would INSIST that they move my links up.
I would make it so that the people who I traded with knew that Id be on there ass if they moved me down. I would know everyone and everyone knew me, and I could send 100 webmasters to any program to push in less than 24 hours if I wanted. Damn those were the days. The hungry aggressive days.

To some extent I still do that. BUt most these guys now days are sensitive pussies. Its hard to deal with shmucks now days. Actually I just gave up. I was a sales man with an attitude and an edge back then. I knew everyone and everyone knew me. IF someone would dare and drop me in a trade they knew that Id talk behind their back and get others to drop them as well. I think thats how the whole "family" thing got created.

Some fucking Russian cheated me on day i remebner liek 4 years ago, and I told him he'd pay.
Next thing I knew he came back writing me how me and my "boneprone family" killed his site by removing all his trades. He wanted to know how i did that. I think it was kst by pure luck that I knew everyone he was tradig with, and the programs he was pushing. ( i got those shut down too)

It was pretty funny at the time, but it was amazing how much influence I had at the time.

Almost makes me want to start working again and getting back up to where I was. Now its more like I play my old self on TV and the old me is gone. Oh well. Fuck it.

hahaha I remember that shit! He had some wierd fucking traffic and that was the early days when I was writing the first scripts to catch cheaters... If I remember correct I wasn't totally sure he was cheating -- but we had enough suspicion to put him out of commission just because he wasn't family material... you have a crappy looking site but just because you have some hits doesn't mean you are in the loop... ur site had to have some class

boneprone · 04-05-2003, 06:47 PM

The way choker thinks and executes reminds me of how we used to be 3 years ago.
Hungry, idea creative, and the drive to execute the idea.

With time you just get lazy and comfortable.

Give choker another year and he'll be just like us. Lazy.
I read a post he bought a boat. LOL hes halfway there.

Do you think he bought this boat so he could work on it or so he could enjoy life more and reward himself for what he did? These rewards get addictive. ANd they take time away from your creative drive I shit you not.

Haaa! He's infected with the same disease I have. Its just not taken over him yet.

But choker is a smart guy. His mind reminds me of a young Pete the Fly with the dynamics and the way he thought up his shit and executed it. Impressive.

Lets see if he can keep that mind fresh and continue to evolve or if he just slacks off and starts to "enjoy life" instead as it seems he may be on track to doing since he bought his boat.

The day I read a post from him saying Im going to vacation to Europe for a month, then Hawaii Ill know he's joined the dark side.

hybrid · 04-05-2003, 06:49 PM

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Wow well I appreciate those words of asskissing but I don't give away free traffic anymore -- that's Choker's game... He always pays on my fake contests... You got to work on the new guy's like choker -- they will help you if you really beg... because they still give a shit -- it's like a food pyramid or a stockmarket scam -- there's different levels and you are at the bottom -- eating your essential rice... and you are confused by the mayhem of adulthood and school... I've been there so I'm not putting you town. It's confusing as hell -- and honestly if you "wake up" too fast to what life is really about -- you will be fucked -- because you haven't earned that foundation... the foundation of thought... working out your thoughts completely and living your life "in order" -- you can't say to yourself today "fuck it i'm going to be a pornographer 100% and quit school and demand 100% freedom" -- no you can't do that yet because you are too afraid -- you have to walk those dark streets at all hours -- you have to witness the bullshit first hand -- you have to watch people get burned OVER AND OVER AND OVER again -- until you finally have enough sense to say -- ok THIS IS NOT FOR ME!!! Then you just say Fuck it! I'm going to do WHAT I WANT TO DO! Not what this fucking society wants me to do -- not what my parents want me to do -- not what my girlfriend wants me to do -- not that TheFLY wants me to do!!! You just do what you want to do and that's it!!!! No looking back -- and not punishing yourself -- BONEPRONE 4 LIFE NIGGAAAAAAAAAAAAHS

First of all, fuck choker and his whole program.

It's like watching with disdain at the modern street gangs looting the liquor stores and gas stations, knowing it'll be a valid source of income if you participated while wishing constantly to do it like the REAL gangsters did it back in the 20's.

Rackateering, laundering, having a squeeze on the neighborhood.

You have to understand that starting out as a bottom feeder is respectable only if your path is with heart. If you believe in who you're working for.

Does this make sense?

And for the record, there's a big difference between showing someone the ropes and "giving away free traffic".

hybrid · 04-05-2003, 06:56 PM

I'll even throw in a couple shirts from my clothing line.[IMG]

boneprone · 04-05-2003, 06:58 PM

No one, I mean no one was better with helping newbies than Pete the Fly. He had this gift.

May be hard to believe but he at one time was the one youd wanted to talk to when starting out simply becasue he was so patient down to earth and willing to help. Not sure if there is in this day in age anyone like him anymore.

Most helpful person around when it came to getting me started.
In fact he was the one that got me started some 4 years ago.

I can understand why he doesnt like newbies anymore though.
Ive probably helped dozens of people start out, guide them help them, teach them. Takes a lot of time. It hasnt ever paid off.

In fact some of the people who I helped start out are much more successful then me bigger, better, larger now. And they all but give me a silent fuck off now days when I even try to talk to them.
Ever see that shitty movie Rocky 5 where he helps the egotistical Tommy Gun teaches em and in the end Tommy turns on him when he gets better?

Strange but fucking kid webmasters are the same way.

It doesnt pay off. Waste of time to help newbies. They never come back 3-4 years later to thank ya, in fact they go out of thier way to do just the opposite

hybrid · 04-05-2003, 07:02 PM

Quote:

No one, I mean no one was better with helping newbies than Pete the Fly. He had this gift.

May be hard to believe but he at one time was the one youd wanted to talk to when starting out simply becasue he was so patient down to earth and willing to help. Not sure if there is in this day in age anyone like him anymore.

Most helpful person around when it came to getting me started.
In fact he was the one that got me started some 4 years ago.

I can understand why he doesnt like newbies anymore though.
Ive probably helped dozens of people start out, guide them help them, teach them. Take a lot of time. It hasnt ever paid off.

In fact some of the people who I helped start out are much more successful then me bigger, better, larger. And they all but give me a silent fuck off now days when I even try to talk to them.

Strange.

It doesnt pay off. Waste of time to help newbies. They never come back 3-4 years later to thank ya, in fact they go out of thier way to ignore ya.

That's why you have them sign up under you. You still bank, regardless if they're social skills are apt or not.

All I'm saying, personally, is that there are a few key things I believe in, and loyalty is one of them.

Why should you neglect the possibility of personal profit based on someone else's behavior?

Why stigmatize the hybrid in such a manner?

TheFLY · 04-05-2003, 07:03 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by hybrid
First of all, fuck choker and his whole program.

It's like watching with disdain at the modern street gangs looting the liquor stores and gas stations, knowing it'll be a valid source of income if you participated while wishing constantly to do it like the REAL gangsters did it back in the 20's.

Rackateering, laundering, having a squeeze on the neighborhood.

You have to understand that starting out as a bottom feeder is respectable only if your path is with heart. If you believe in who you're working for.

Does this make sense?

And for the record, there's a big difference between showing someone the ropes and "giving away free traffic".

Ok no disrespect meant. That's how we used to let somebody into the circle back in those days... If we saw somebody had potential and a good sense for design/concept/work ethic + I would always favor someone with scripting abilities because they could pump out 100's of galleries instead of dicking around with a couple on this freehost and a couple on that freehost -- knowing those unscripted people was a real waste of time because they just sucked and they were always getting 404'd... You had to seek out the nerds... That is my advice to you then hybrid -- seek out the nerds -- make friends with the guys that really POWER this industry... You know why oxcash is so big -- all the foundation was there in oldschool links sites -- sublimedirectory a big TGP that just went straight for bookmarks -- they didn't even bother trading much -- sublime was all word of mouth -- i had some guy in my class one day tell me about sublime directory and I knew that site must have been hot but we never needed to work with them because they were doing their own thing... They weren't really trade friendly... but they were actually coding like mini-TGP's -- exactly the same shit that Choker is doing right now only this was YEARS ago -- so you know that those oxcash guys are sharp... but the blade only gets sharper and sharper in this biz as it pierces through the masses and I'll tell you the jump is so high now to break in big into this biz -- because the real cutting edge stuff involves HARDCORE HARDCORE programming -- we're talking about custom bots, messaging bots, chatroom bots -- this is REAL HACKING -- you are fucking hacking into the protocols of foreign message systems that you shouldn't even have access to... That's where the money is at... in hacking. You can't get your traffic the easy way anymore -- you have to hack for it -- and that is how all the advertising is being done these days seriously... that and word-of-mouth and private deals that go on behind the scenes and you will never be up there because those friendships are already established and these people at the top don't need you to make waves... so unless you are a fucking awesome hacker that did shit like hack the FBI BBS in the 80's because you were bored... give it up... if you aren't already a programmer dork -- you never will be one... it's HARD HARD very HARD work to be a hacker and you spend endless days in front of a PC with zits all over your face and no sleep and you jerk off to god aweful porn and eat pizza and don't shower -- you think I'm kidding but its' true all the real hackers are like that and believe me they suffer but believe me it pays off in the long run and it's because of these "nerd" friendships that I made early in this game is because I'm still making it in this biz... So my only advice to new people in this biz is the following...

produce some really unique content that will get that "word of mouth" traffic -- that's the only think you can do to break into this biz now!!!! UNIQUE CONTENT. There I said it. But you will need to pay the models and be a first class pimp -- the average joe will have to look at your cock and your fucking abilities and be like holy shit this guy is the fucking mack daddy and I'm going to jerk off to this site all day long... Look at OXcash they just find stunt dicks... but that's bullcrap... if you are webmaster ala johnholes and you can code the shit yourself and put together a paysite of you fucking a lot of chicks you will be making TONS of money -- look at brunoB -- all you need is a lot of hoes and a lot of fucking and some adult industry connections and that's it! you are a made man. You just have to work hard at producing content... not only working hard at FUCKING but working hard at uploading movies and compressing that crap and all those boring mechanical chores...

TheFLY · 04-05-2003, 07:11 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by boneprone
No one, I mean no one was better with helping newbies than Pete the Fly. He had this gift.

May be hard to believe but he at one time was the one youd wanted to talk to when starting out simply becasue he was so patient down to earth and willing to help. Not sure if there is in this day in age anyone like him anymore.

Most helpful person around when it came to getting me started.
In fact he was the one that got me started some 4 years ago.

I can understand why he doesnt like newbies anymore though.
Ive probably helped dozens of people start out, guide them help them, teach them. Takes a lot of time. It hasnt ever paid off.

In fact some of the people who I helped start out are much more successful then me bigger, better, larger now. And they all but give me a silent fuck off now days when I even try to talk to them.
Ever see that shitty movie Rocky 5 where he helps the egotistical Tommy Gun teaches em and in the end Tommy turns on him when he gets better?

Strange but fucking kid webmasters are the same way.

It doesnt pay off. Waste of time to help newbies. They never come back 3-4 years later to thank ya, in fact they go out of thier way to do just the opposite

No you need the strategy of who to help... I always went after the nerds and the guys that had some special ability -- like maybe they had pornstar industry connections or maybe they did law on the side to protect their site or maybe the webmaster was a sysadmin... stuff like that. Boneprone wasn't really a techie and i could tell this from the beginning but it didn't matter because he had the hustle down and that's about the same time that these first traffic trading scripts came into play... all you needed was a script and some hustle and some good graphics and some content industry connections -- and that was pretty much it... getting bookmarkers was a snap because there wasn't much competition... I mean fuck I had the whole pornstar niche to myself practically with maybe 3 other guys... I mean -- if Raquel Darrian wanted any traffic to her paysite -- she had to go through us! I had real fucking pornstars calling me at my apartment sweet talking me to try to get some traffic...!

boneprone · 04-05-2003, 07:11 PM

Hybrid.
The best thing you can do is come to a convention or webmaster gathering.

Whatever it takes to save up and come chill in a fun social environment with people in the industry do it. Look at Aaron Matthews. Make yourself known and known to known people.

You may not be able to talk very indepth about ideas or biz or realted issues and topics, but you are getting a social foundation necessary to grow on just by getting known and meeting people.

This is the first step. Once you establish these relationships you can go back and with ease work with and talk candid with the people you met and work things from there.

They will also know people who know people who know people.
Networking. Thats what its all about now days.

Come to a show.
Hang out with us. Let us buy you a hooker, get you infected with herpes so everyone will know you.

Then and only then will people come to you to help you.
You will be a made man.

With herpes.

BUt known to all.

boneprone · 04-05-2003, 07:12 PM

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Originally posted by TheFLY

No you need the strategy of who to help... I always went after the nerds and the guys that had some special ability -- like maybe they had pornstar industry connections or maybe they did law on the side to protect their site or maybe the webmaster was a sysadmin... stuff like that. Boneprone wasn't really a techie and i could tell this from the beginning but it didn't matter because he had the hustle down and that's about the same time that these first traffic trading scripts came into play... all you needed was a script and some hustle and some good graphics and some content industry connections -- and that was pretty much it... getting bookmarkers was a snap because there wasn't much competition... I mean fuck I had the whole pornstar niche to myself practically with maybe 3 other guys... I mean -- if Raquel Darrian wanted any traffic to her paysite -- she had to go through us! I had real fucking pornstars calling me at my apartment sweet talking me to try to get some traffic...!

LOL.. SO why did you help me then?
Haa! You say I wasnt a nerd, but I had the huslte down.
Haaa!!

So Im a hustla!

Intresting.
You never told me this.

hybrid · 04-05-2003, 07:15 PM

Bone, that's about the most down to earth advice I've heard.

But I can't take myself seriously and expect anyone else to take me seriously when I ain't got shit to show for my time in the biz.

Just my mindset, I can't be coming around without anything to offer. Not my style.

I gotta give worth to get worth. IMO

lil2rich4u2 · 04-05-2003, 07:17 PM

Very interesting thread guys, thanks.

I always wondered what it was like in the early days, your drawing an excelent picture.

TheFLY · 04-05-2003, 07:20 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by hybrid
Bone, that's about the most down to earth advice I've heard.

But I can't take myself seriously and expect anyone else to take me seriously when I ain't got shit to show for my time in the biz.

Just my mindset, I can't be coming around without anything to offer. Not my style.

I gotta give worth to get worth. IMO

You got options. Maybe this is not your game. Or maybe take a fresh angle of attack... Always be thinking -- where can I sneak in some sales... Like when these cell phone web-browsers came out -- I looked into that right away because there was talk that these phones had traffic and paying customers... you always have to be watching the industry -- the bigger picture. Where is the whole industry moving? Ask these questions -- look at bigger trends... Maybe you will have to do fucking stupid shit like TGP posting or working a day job while you work on your sercret weapon projects... It's this kind of working in secret -- behind the scenes ideas -- that will get you freedom -- but you can't be impatient... if you are just a follower you will always be sucking dick... find fresh ideas.

boneprone · 04-05-2003, 07:24 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by hybrid
Bone, that's about the most down to earth advice I've heard.

But I can't take myself seriously and expect anyone else to take me seriously when I ain't got shit to show for my time in the biz.

Just my mindset, I can't be coming around without anything to offer. Not my style.

I gotta give worth to get worth. IMO

Lesson #1

At these shows EVERYONE over promises and under delivers. EVERYONE.

Learn this. DOnt be scared to talk big at the shows.
If you dont have a product but have an idea, tell em its in the works.

Feel around the reactions you get when you bring up a product idea. You can make changes and the such as you go along and get feed back from people. The whole idea of a show is to meet people, get a feel for what people want and then deliever it.

The idea is to get to know your contacts. So when you do get that product created you will have the social network to get it going. People always remember others with personality.
So if you dont have a personality I suggest you go to the store and buy one fast.

I tell people who dont even have a product yet that these shows are very important. Important to get knowlege, ideas, and to see what people want. The idea is to make a name for yourself. Look at the Jesus Dialer. The shit dont even exist and I have more people wanting to use it than most real dialer companies.

Learn marketing, networking and how to deal with not just people but the masses of people.

There is your key.

hybrid · 04-05-2003, 07:26 PM

Quote:

You got options. Maybe this is not your game.

The game never matters.

If I'm gonna play, I'm gonna play till I win. Period.

Thanks for the ear, fellas, now it's back to business.

quiet · 04-05-2003, 07:26 PM

you can make millions/year, and never attend a single show. i'm living proof. the first (and only) one i went to was Vegas 2001. guess i'll go to this summer's - so that will be two in total. i started in 1996...

TheFLY · 04-05-2003, 07:28 PM

I mean look at Lensman -- he isn't a follower! He saw ahead of all of us that the # of webmasters was increasing exponentially! You can't have a 50/50 program when there's 10,000 guys sending 3 hits a day! Nobody gets excited about not making sales! That's why these click programs were so hot-- you could watch the Click Through Calvin -- and see your money instantly! It was instant gratification and it got a lot of webmasters excited to work and to send traffic! Shit even if these guys were only making an extra $60 a month, that was enough money to go out at the end of the month with a little more party money -- and that was $10 in my pocket... But Lensman had ALL THESE WEBMASTERS under his wing that weren't making shit but they were getting checks and then I bet Lensman realized the power of all that and created GFY -- a fucking iron fortress of newbs -- an all powerful space where everone can get that extra beer money or that lap dance money -- or even a shot at the holy grail -- "your own paysite" or *TGP* ooohs and aaahs... That's how GFY got to be so damn huge and why it makes so much fucking money. It's all beer and weed money on the weekends and Adult.com is the master pimp leader of the band of the key tappers and pizza chompers and soda chuggers and masturbaters and dreamers and wannabes lalala and the fucking 50/50 programs leading the orgy with promises of more beer and more weed...

boneprone · 04-05-2003, 07:29 PM

Very true.
I made most my money well before I ever went to a show as well.

In fact I think the $$ started going downhill ever since I went to a show.

Hmmmm..

Scratch the first idea I gave you.
DOnt go to the shows.

hybrid · 04-05-2003, 07:31 PM

Aha! A dichotomy...

The thot plickens.

boneprone · 04-05-2003, 07:33 PM

Ok..
This should be obvious.

Dont talk to Pete and I.

Talk to Quiet. Hes the one you should be talking to.

Ill give you his emial address.

hybrid · 04-05-2003, 07:35 PM

Quote:

Ok..
This should be obvious.

Dont talk to Pete and I.

Talk to Quiet. Hes the one you should be talking to.

Ill give you his emial address.

It's funny that you say that...

boneprone · 04-05-2003, 07:36 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by hybrid
It's funny that you say that...

Why??
Did Quiet give you my email address?

TheFLY · 04-05-2003, 07:36 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by boneprone
Very true.
I made most my money well before I ever went to a show as well.

In fact I think the $$ started going downhill ever since I went to a show.

Hmmmm..

Scratch the first idea I gave you.
DOnt go to the shows.

When I first started out there were guys telling me to go to the YNOT shows but I never went -- i really didn't need to know anyone but in my own niche... because i'm only doing this for money -- not for fun... but then u were getting excited about GFY I think boneprone and your enthusiasm spread I think to me -- when I went to my first vegas show I had SO MUCH FUCKING FUN!! I was a blast I mean it was unreal... and everyone knew boneprone it was crazy it was VIP this and VIP that and I'm thinking wow this guy that I recruited on ICQ has turned into a huge fucking player and you owned GFY -- maybe now I understand some of your plan man... that's really when I started to hang out on GFY but by then it was addicting -- I was just riding the wave of the industry in awe while the money is flowing and the girls are dancing and the drinks are flowing -- that's when I realized that some really huge money was being invested into this biz at the top... this biz has a future boys and you get bet it will rival primetime TV and your dead grandma's radio program... porn is the future baby and you all know it... hold on for dear life -- you will need to.

boneprone · 04-05-2003, 07:39 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by TheFLY

When I first started out there were guys telling me to go to the YNOT shows but I never went -- i really didn't need to know anyone but in my own niche... because i'm only doing this for money -- not for fun... but then u were getting excited about GFY I think boneprone and your enthusiasm spread I think to me -- when I went to my first vegas show I had SO MUCH FUCKING FUN!! I was a blast I mean it was unreal... and everyone knew boneprone it was crazy it was VIP this and VIP that and I'm thinking wow this guy that I recruited on ICQ has turned into a huge fucking player and you owned GFY -- maybe now I understand some of your plan man... that's really when I started to hang out on GFY but by then it was addicting -- I was just riding the wave of the industry in awe while the money is flowing and the girls are dancing and the drinks are flowing -- that's when I realized that some really huge money was being invested into this biz at the top... this biz has a future boys and you get bet it will rival primetime TV and your dead grandma's radio program... porn is the future baby and you all know it... hold on for dear life -- you will need to.

LOL. Now that I think about it, the shows are 100% just for fun for me too.
They are a blast from my otherwise boring life.

Too funny.
Who am I kidding. The whole "this is a vaulable event" thing is what I have to tell my wife to justify me going.

Its all about the fun at the shows. But its fun with people you know.

quiet · 04-05-2003, 07:40 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by boneprone

Why??
Did Quiet give you my email address?

i don't think so

hybrid · 04-05-2003, 07:40 PM

Quote:

Why??

No, he did'nt, but he and I already had a little correspondence.

Your angle and his, I think, are two different schools of thought.

boneprone · 04-05-2003, 07:43 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by hybrid
No, he did'nt, but he and I already had a little correspondence.

Your angle and his, I think, are two different schools of thought.

His train of thought is like how I used to think.
(when i used to make $$) (pre-lazyness era)

TheFLY · 04-05-2003, 07:44 PM

I can't give away too many hints... but you see where this is all going... CBS, NBC, FOX... that's yesterday... the future rules the internet -- and who rules the internet? We do. All media delivery in this fucking world will be our responsibility... Why the fuck do you think AdultCentro exists? Do you think we will be watching these fucking sitcoms on TV in 10 years? No way... It will millions of americans on the couch on friday night streaming bangbus to their their video projector or whatever the fuck they will call the internet appliance that will power the future of vegetation and masturbation... It sure as hell isn't TV -- that's a useless piece of crap and junkyards will be full of them.

hybrid · 04-05-2003, 07:45 PM

Look, it all comes down to this:

I'm willing to work my ass off and apply my talents to make you guys some coin as well as myself.

All I ask in return is to drop some knowledge on me, so I can put it into the right direction. Thus, making more money for everyone involved.

Yes, I have a couple of original ideas, one I'm working on right now.

I'm curious, why turn down such an offer ? Laziness ?

quiet · 04-05-2003, 07:47 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by boneprone

His train of thought is like how I used to think.
(when i used to make $$) (pre-lazyness era)

jesus your posts are becoming depressing....

TheFLY · 04-05-2003, 07:47 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by hybrid
Look, it all comes down to this:

I'm willing to work my ass off and apply my talents to make you guys some coin as well as myself.

All I ask in return is to drop some knowledge on me, so I can put it into the right direction. Thus, making more money for everyone involved.

Yes, I have a couple of original ideas, one I'm working on right now.

I'm curious, why turn down such an offer ? Laziness ?

What do you think we are doing now? We are giving away all the secrets... I gave it to you in black and white. There is no magic HTML button that you can add to your page to make $10,000!!! The whole industry changes every 6 months!

hybrid · 04-05-2003, 07:49 PM

Quote:

There is no magic HTML button that you can add to your page to make $10,000!!!

Damn, there went one of my plans.

Damn you and your filthy logic.

TheFLY · 04-05-2003, 07:50 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by quiet

jesus your posts are becoming depressing....

Not really. This biz isn't going anywhere... Who do you think will produce all the porn in the future? It will be us smoking cigars at the top of some giant fucking skyscraper -- interviewing lines and lines of guys like hybrid... next. next.

and then long nights fantastic sex with whatever casting couch BJ is next in line on the global weekly spam charts.

hybrid · 04-05-2003, 07:54 PM

Quote:

It will be us smoking cigars at the top of some giant fucking skyscraper -- interviewing lines and lines of guys like hybrid... next. next.

hmm...

04-05-2003, 06:01 PM	#2
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04-05-2003, 06:01 PM	#3
boneprone Hall Of Fame Industry Role: Join Date: Jan 2001 Location: Portland Oregon USA Posts: 34,415	I told you you should sign back up and go back to your roots and push AP. NOw all you have to do is go with the advice that followed that saying you need to move to Portland and get away from all those distractions in Florida. Im telling you man, I have some great ideas that im going to be putting togehter soon and I want you here. Seriously. __________________ Industry Hall Of Fame Legend Mike Jones Bow to the Power - Still BP4L http://gfyawards.com/hall-of-fame Learn about it kids.

04-05-2003, 06:15 PM	#4
boneprone Hall Of Fame Industry Role: Join Date: Jan 2001 Location: Portland Oregon USA Posts: 34,415	As for the whole old school amateurpages story, about 3-4 years ago The Fly also told me about the program. I was pushing about $6k a month on it easy for several years or so at 6 cents per click with kick ass ratios. Pete the Fly would tell me everymonth that since I signed up under him I was paying his rent since he made 1 whole penny of every click i sent. Thats a lot of pennies paying rent for just reffering me! At times I also think I should go back to pushing AP but it seems my traffic has changed quite a bit since then both quanity and quality wise casue the final push I gave it about a year ago just didnt do well for me . A combination of my traffic quality going down hill with market saturation and my dying work ethic really played a part when it came to my traffic being good enough to make it worth while anymore not just fo rme but for them as well. Sure AP is said to be a program where you dont need to worry about ratios, but I had a little special arrangement going for me back in the day so for me quality was equally important. I remember in the day Lens would give me the green light to cheat and send traffic anyway I wanted becasue my ratios were so damn good he didnt care. (in fact this wasnt that long ago, maybe just last year i think) I would blind link, text link send with the Jesus hitbot and my ratios were great, all around 1:600 for many years of 6 cents a click. People would always get pissed that they would see on my sites me "breaking the AP rules" to send traffic to AP. Id always tell them if you can send over 2000 clicks a day and be around 1:500 im sure they would be allowed to send anyway they wanted as well. Fact of the matter was my traffic was good back then. Really good. I really worked on it. Today I dont know the meaning of work unfortunatly and Ive been real lazy. (hopefully ill get my work ethic back some day) My traffic must have dropped real real bad in the last couple years casuse I finally got an email fro eric telling me i couldnt open AP in another window anymore. I figured my time was up and days of that great quality traffic were behind me. For the first time I had gotten a complaint from adult.com on how I was sending them traffic. The writing was on the wall. In fact my account may even be canceled im not sure, casue i was too lazy to make the changes for weeks after he told me. Boneprone may very well be in the cheating Russians Box! Haaaaaaaaa Nevertheless like I told you pete AP is,was and still will be a good program. Someone like you who focuses on quality traffic as I once did would seriously kick ass with the program. LEt me know how it goes. Someday I hope to get my act together again and also get back aboard and push that traffic back to AP. It was the easiest way to make money and probably sitll is. __________________ Industry Hall Of Fame Legend Mike Jones Bow to the Power - Still BP4L http://gfyawards.com/hall-of-fame Learn about it kids. Last edited by boneprone; 04-05-2003 at 06:32 PM..

04-05-2003, 06:18 PM	#6
asuna Confirmed User Join Date: May 2002 Location: Montreal Posts: 8,743	Atleast this isn't a war thread __________________

04-05-2003, 06:19 PM	#7
mule Confirmed User Industry Role: Join Date: Jan 2002 Location: hamsterdam Posts: 6,085	What the fuck is wrong with you guys? Now all the n00bs are gonna start promoting Amateurpages and fuck up our lifestyles! Boneprone, please delete this thread! __________________ Converting like a mofo

04-05-2003, 05:56 PM	#1
TheFLY So Fucking Banned Join Date: Jan 2001 Location: http://www.thefly.net/ --- Quit your job and live off steady traffic. Posts: 11,856	Fuck you bitch I'm making money! How Adult.com changed my life. See my fucking sig motherfuckers. I was bored today so I pumped up one of my oldschool sources of income... I seriously owe a good chunk of my crazy lifestyle to Lensman and Adult.com and Amateur Pages clickpic program... this isn't spam -- it's a true story: I graduated from college -- I'm making money on some click programs -- but not much... I got all this pornstar and celeb and model traffic and fucking nowhere to send it. Those assholes were freeloaders... One day I'm talking to Tommy from Tommy's Bookmarks on the phone... I'm telling him "Tommy I got all this damn traffic but I'm not making dick." -- he gave me some excellent advice! He's like Pete -- I see all these guys that submit to me -- they are using Amateur Pages clickpic program... I'm thinking -- ohhhh shit -- I just got a tip from the very top! So I sign up and I was bling blingin! I coded my first traffic trading script and serious my life was fantastic... I had a new car, new house, new girlfriends... I had so much free time I had a different date every day... I moved to NY and to LA... and really it was when I was chillin in LA on Venice beach that I really came to find myself and the meaning of life... If I had been working for IBM or for some fucking ISP I would never have escaped the fucking system... now I'll never turn back. I'm Boneprone 4 Life you bitch ass niggas and you can all suck my dick and sign up under me hoes... You will see how fucking easy it is to make money with this shit -- see my signature... You know you can send traffic to oxcash and make some coin but in the end you are still making shitty ratios and you are wondering if next week you will still be making signups! Fuck that! I want to relax... Let Lensman worry about ratios -- fuck let the Playmates worry about ratios -- how do you think Lensman affords these crazy payouts when everyone else is a slave to shaving partnership programs that suck ass and get saturated... Amateur Pages has been running strong for YEARS and YEARS! IT WILL NEVER BE SATURATED! You look at these chicks and honestly a lot of them are ugly bitches in the click-pic program but who the fuck cares Lensman makes that shit somehow I don't know how he does it but he does -- maybe it's the strip show tour -- I don't know -- but I'm not a salesman -- and I don't fucking care... All I want to do is have a good time and fuck around. I hate work! I really fucking hate work and I thank my fucking lucky stars!!!!!!!!!! LENSMAN YOU ROCK! See you at Internext man with the Boneprone Family!!! SIGN UP YOU BITCH

04-05-2003, 06:34 PM	#10
hybrid So Fucking Banned Join Date: Jul 2002 Location: Backseat of a Ford Escort Hatchback Posts: 3,253	You guys are'nt thinking like businessmen. Your hunger is debilitating your senses. Check this out, why not work smart, and not hard? Scoop up some hungry n00bs (like myself) and show us the ropes. Have us sign up under you, so we work our asses off, earning our worth like you once did, yet you reap the benefits. From my perspective, I've plunged into a world where I've neglected the rest of my life (with the exception of college) to endure through this obscure environment of information and confusion. Where you do not know who to trust or what words to believe. Where you are told you will never make it and the chances of earning enough money to quit your fulltime job so you can concentrate on earning grades good enough to recieve a scholarship for your Masters. Where you are so flooded with choices, that you don't know which path to take, so you stand alone, waiting for something to pull you under, to be worth the integrity you have. You don't want to waste it, you want to utilize it. You want every effort to be efficient. And yet, no relief. I have that integrity. I know I could whoop some serious ass, if I knew which direction to point my talents. Think about it. Bone, Pete, you know how to reach me.

04-05-2003, 06:37 PM	#11
picpile Confirmed User Join Date: Nov 2001 Location: Las Vegas, Nevada Posts: 734	you had a gf? how much did she cost?

04-05-2003, 06:40 PM	#13
boneprone Hall Of Fame Industry Role: Join Date: Jan 2001 Location: Portland Oregon USA Posts: 34,415	Yeah I remeber the days bitching at people telling them to add my links. I was really aggressive back then. I would INSIST that they move my links up. I would make it so that the people who I traded with knew that Id be on there ass if they moved me down. I would know everyone and everyone knew me, and I could send 100 webmasters to any program to push in less than 24 hours if I wanted. Damn those were the days. The hungry aggressive days. To some extent I still do that. BUt most these guys now days are sensitive pussies. Its hard to deal with shmucks now days. Actually I just gave up. I was a sales man with an attitude and an edge back then. I knew everyone and everyone knew me. IF someone would dare and drop me in a trade they knew that Id talk behind their back and get others to drop them as well. I think thats how the whole "family" thing got created. Some fucking Russian cheated me on day i remebner liek 4 years ago, and I told him he'd pay. Next thing I knew he came back writing me how me and my "boneprone family" killed his site by removing all his trades. He wanted to know how i did that. I think it was kst by pure luck that I knew everyone he was tradig with, and the programs he was pushing. ( i got those shut down too) It was pretty funny at the time, but it was amazing how much influence I had at the time. Almost makes me want to start working again and getting back up to where I was. Now its more like I play my old self on TV and the old me is gone. Oh well. Fuck it. __________________ Industry Hall Of Fame Legend Mike Jones Bow to the Power - Still BP4L http://gfyawards.com/hall-of-fame Learn about it kids. Last edited by boneprone; 04-05-2003 at 06:43 PM..

04-05-2003, 06:47 PM	#18
boneprone Hall Of Fame Industry Role: Join Date: Jan 2001 Location: Portland Oregon USA Posts: 34,415	The way choker thinks and executes reminds me of how we used to be 3 years ago. Hungry, idea creative, and the drive to execute the idea. With time you just get lazy and comfortable. Give choker another year and he'll be just like us. Lazy. I read a post he bought a boat. LOL hes halfway there. Do you think he bought this boat so he could work on it or so he could enjoy life more and reward himself for what he did? These rewards get addictive. ANd they take time away from your creative drive I shit you not. Haaa! He's infected with the same disease I have. Its just not taken over him yet. But choker is a smart guy. His mind reminds me of a young Pete the Fly with the dynamics and the way he thought up his shit and executed it. Impressive. Lets see if he can keep that mind fresh and continue to evolve or if he just slacks off and starts to "enjoy life" instead as it seems he may be on track to doing since he bought his boat. The day I read a post from him saying Im going to vacation to Europe for a month, then Hawaii Ill know he's joined the dark side. __________________ Industry Hall Of Fame Legend Mike Jones Bow to the Power - Still BP4L http://gfyawards.com/hall-of-fame Learn about it kids. Last edited by boneprone; 04-05-2003 at 06:50 PM..

04-05-2003, 06:56 PM	#20
hybrid So Fucking Banned Join Date: Jul 2002 Location: Backseat of a Ford Escort Hatchback Posts: 3,253	I'll even throw in a couple shirts from my clothing line.[IMG]

04-05-2003, 06:58 PM	#21
boneprone Hall Of Fame Industry Role: Join Date: Jan 2001 Location: Portland Oregon USA Posts: 34,415	No one, I mean no one was better with helping newbies than Pete the Fly. He had this gift. May be hard to believe but he at one time was the one youd wanted to talk to when starting out simply becasue he was so patient down to earth and willing to help. Not sure if there is in this day in age anyone like him anymore. Most helpful person around when it came to getting me started. In fact he was the one that got me started some 4 years ago. I can understand why he doesnt like newbies anymore though. Ive probably helped dozens of people start out, guide them help them, teach them. Takes a lot of time. It hasnt ever paid off. In fact some of the people who I helped start out are much more successful then me bigger, better, larger now. And they all but give me a silent fuck off now days when I even try to talk to them. Ever see that shitty movie Rocky 5 where he helps the egotistical Tommy Gun teaches em and in the end Tommy turns on him when he gets better? Strange but fucking kid webmasters are the same way. It doesnt pay off. Waste of time to help newbies. They never come back 3-4 years later to thank ya, in fact they go out of thier way to do just the opposite __________________ Industry Hall Of Fame Legend Mike Jones Bow to the Power - Still BP4L http://gfyawards.com/hall-of-fame Learn about it kids. Last edited by boneprone; 04-05-2003 at 07:01 PM..

04-05-2003, 07:11 PM	#25
boneprone Hall Of Fame Industry Role: Join Date: Jan 2001 Location: Portland Oregon USA Posts: 34,415	Hybrid. The best thing you can do is come to a convention or webmaster gathering. Whatever it takes to save up and come chill in a fun social environment with people in the industry do it. Look at Aaron Matthews. Make yourself known and known to known people. You may not be able to talk very indepth about ideas or biz or realted issues and topics, but you are getting a social foundation necessary to grow on just by getting known and meeting people. This is the first step. Once you establish these relationships you can go back and with ease work with and talk candid with the people you met and work things from there. They will also know people who know people who know people. Networking. Thats what its all about now days. Come to a show. Hang out with us. Let us buy you a hooker, get you infected with herpes so everyone will know you. Then and only then will people come to you to help you. You will be a made man. With herpes. BUt known to all. __________________ Industry Hall Of Fame Legend Mike Jones Bow to the Power - Still BP4L http://gfyawards.com/hall-of-fame Learn about it kids. Last edited by boneprone; 04-05-2003 at 07:13 PM..

04-05-2003, 07:15 PM	#27
hybrid So Fucking Banned Join Date: Jul 2002 Location: Backseat of a Ford Escort Hatchback Posts: 3,253	Bone, that's about the most down to earth advice I've heard. But I can't take myself seriously and expect anyone else to take me seriously when I ain't got shit to show for my time in the biz. Just my mindset, I can't be coming around without anything to offer. Not my style. I gotta give worth to get worth. IMO

04-05-2003, 07:17 PM	#28
lil2rich4u2 ICQ: 175171926 Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: New York, NY Posts: 11,046	Very interesting thread guys, thanks. I always wondered what it was like in the early days, your drawing an excelent picture. __________________ HEY!! Unbeatable hosting! Customer service is top notch! --> ISPrime <-- Do a search on any board, their reputation is rock solid .. for years!!

04-05-2003, 07:26 PM	#32
quiet we'll miss you our friend. RIP Industry Role: Join Date: Sep 2001 Location: Fernie, BC Posts: 25,115	you can make millions/year, and never attend a single show. i'm living proof. the first (and only) one i went to was Vegas 2001. guess i'll go to this summer's - so that will be two in total. i started in 1996...

04-05-2003, 07:28 PM	#33
TheFLY So Fucking Banned Join Date: Jan 2001 Location: http://www.thefly.net/ --- Quit your job and live off steady traffic. Posts: 11,856	I mean look at Lensman -- he isn't a follower! He saw ahead of all of us that the # of webmasters was increasing exponentially! You can't have a 50/50 program when there's 10,000 guys sending 3 hits a day! Nobody gets excited about not making sales! That's why these click programs were so hot-- you could watch the Click Through Calvin -- and see your money instantly! It was instant gratification and it got a lot of webmasters excited to work and to send traffic! Shit even if these guys were only making an extra $60 a month, that was enough money to go out at the end of the month with a little more party money -- and that was $10 in my pocket... But Lensman had ALL THESE WEBMASTERS under his wing that weren't making shit but they were getting checks and then I bet Lensman realized the power of all that and created GFY -- a fucking iron fortress of newbs -- an all powerful space where everone can get that extra beer money or that lap dance money -- or even a shot at the holy grail -- "your own paysite" or TGP ooohs and aaahs... That's how GFY got to be so damn huge and why it makes so much fucking money. It's all beer and weed money on the weekends and Adult.com is the master pimp leader of the band of the key tappers and pizza chompers and soda chuggers and masturbaters and dreamers and wannabes lalala and the fucking 50/50 programs leading the orgy with promises of more beer and more weed... Last edited by TheFLY; 04-05-2003 at 07:30 PM..

04-05-2003, 07:29 PM	#34
boneprone Hall Of Fame Industry Role: Join Date: Jan 2001 Location: Portland Oregon USA Posts: 34,415	Very true. I made most my money well before I ever went to a show as well. In fact I think the $$ started going downhill ever since I went to a show. Hmmmm.. Scratch the first idea I gave you. DOnt go to the shows. __________________ Industry Hall Of Fame Legend Mike Jones Bow to the Power - Still BP4L http://gfyawards.com/hall-of-fame Learn about it kids.

04-05-2003, 07:31 PM	#35
hybrid So Fucking Banned Join Date: Jul 2002 Location: Backseat of a Ford Escort Hatchback Posts: 3,253	Aha! A dichotomy... The thot plickens.

04-05-2003, 07:33 PM	#36
boneprone Hall Of Fame Industry Role: Join Date: Jan 2001 Location: Portland Oregon USA Posts: 34,415	Ok.. This should be obvious. Dont talk to Pete and I. Talk to Quiet. Hes the one you should be talking to. Ill give you his emial address. __________________ Industry Hall Of Fame Legend Mike Jones Bow to the Power - Still BP4L http://gfyawards.com/hall-of-fame Learn about it kids.

04-05-2003, 07:44 PM	#44
TheFLY So Fucking Banned Join Date: Jan 2001 Location: http://www.thefly.net/ --- Quit your job and live off steady traffic. Posts: 11,856	I can't give away too many hints... but you see where this is all going... CBS, NBC, FOX... that's yesterday... the future rules the internet -- and who rules the internet? We do. All media delivery in this fucking world will be our responsibility... Why the fuck do you think AdultCentro exists? Do you think we will be watching these fucking sitcoms on TV in 10 years? No way... It will millions of americans on the couch on friday night streaming bangbus to their their video projector or whatever the fuck they will call the internet appliance that will power the future of vegetation and masturbation... It sure as hell isn't TV -- that's a useless piece of crap and junkyards will be full of them.

04-05-2003, 07:45 PM	#45
hybrid So Fucking Banned Join Date: Jul 2002 Location: Backseat of a Ford Escort Hatchback Posts: 3,253	Look, it all comes down to this: I'm willing to work my ass off and apply my talents to make you guys some coin as well as myself. All I ask in return is to drop some knowledge on me, so I can put it into the right direction. Thus, making more money for everyone involved. Yes, I have a couple of original ideas, one I'm working on right now. I'm curious, why turn down such an offer ? Laziness ?