12clicks

JimmyF alerted me to this excellent article.

http://www.nationalreview.com/hanson/hanson040403.asp

It will be too long a read for young liberals

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AlienQ - BANNED FOR LIFE

Totally excellent article.

I think many Adult Webmaster's have stated those lines similarly.

The United States oughtah fucken pull out its troops from fucked up countries that have forgottin what the "Real shit" is about and what we have done and do every day for them. The Bitches (France, Germany, Russia example) are already frothing at the mouth for a deal in Iraq after we straighten out that whole fucken country and help their people.

No doubts we should stop handing out money to people that hate us. The US would be better off for sure in every way.

The article finally shows that the UN is fine with appeasing Dictators and fascist fuckheads who kill their own people. Which is all to true givin a look at history. Hell they even tried to appease Hitler. We all know who came in and fixed that situation don't we?

Fuck the UN, and fuck the pussy countries that would certainly fall easy prey to fascist and extrmemists who are always willing to kill people not willing to defend themselves, then later when in power will extort money from the United States. The UN push's this crap on the US all the time.

In which case the United States has to go and lay the smack down on a region of the world and look like the bad guy to everyone.

I say we take Iraq give the UN and the fucked up countries the middle finger. Rename Iraq "East Texas" give Iraqi's the Internet, cable TV and sidewalks ( All of which they can do without us since fending off Fascist extremists is not in thier blood ).

Have Howard Stern and David Letterman burn into their head an idea called free enterprise, free trade and even things like entrepenourship and show them the truth about the world and what they have been missing. Side note in Pakistan they already got internet cafe's popping up and guess what??? They can't stop people from surfing porn!


Rest assured Americans when we are gone the world will die and they will hate us all the way to thier own graves.

Anyone want some coffee? I got some good stuff here this morning

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MrPopup

<b>"There is not much need to speak of the governments of Canada and Mexico. More liberal trade agreements and concessions with Mr. Chretien are about as dead as open borders are with Mr. Fox. It is the singular achievement of the present Canadian government to turn a country ? whose armed forces once stormed an entire beach at Normandy and fielded one of the most heroic armies in wars for freedom ? into a bastion of anti-Americanism without a military. Both countries are de facto socialist states, and the Anglo-French pique we see in Europe is right across our northern borders in miniature. Anyone who looked at the papers in Mexico City could rightly assume our neighbors? elite preferred an Iraqi victory. "</b>

All credibility is gone from this article. This paragraph is simply untrue.

You are crazy if you think I'm going to let this one slide. All you fucking windbags are the same, you rap a good game about "Dont comment on things in our country" then your fucking cheerleaders get to do the same? WTF?

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Mideast Letter - Arabs Watching a Colonizer Army, Not 'Liberation'
Commentary, Rami Khouri,
Pacific News Service, Apr 02, 2003

Beyond the suicide bombing attack on U.S. troops in Iraq lies the dangerous dynamic of an occupying army and the resistance it generates.

BEIRUT, Lebanon--The Iraqi man who detonated a car bomb that killed himself and four American soldiers seems to have ushered in a dramatic new phase of the war in Iraq. But we should deal carefully with hyperbole that speaks of thousands of Arab suicide bombers coming to attack American-British forces. Some will try, for sure, but most such warnings probably reflect the heightened emotions of the moment.

There is clearly a profound wave of anti-colonial resistance sweeping much of the Arab world. For some, this may take the shape of indiscriminate terror, perhaps even an attempt at germ or chemical attacks on American soil. Much more certain and definable is the destructive dynamic unfolding in this region now.

The military superiority of the American-British armada leaves little doubt that Baghdad will be subjected to a siege and an assault, resulting in the overthrow of the current Iraqi regime. This is likely to come at a very high price for two parties: Iraqi lives and property, and American political standing in this region and the world at large.

The suicide bomber who killed himself and four American troops certainly defined his act as resistance to occupation, while the American-British command said it was an act of terror. This is a fascinating but ultimately irrelevant distinction, because the invasion and the resistance it generates both will go on, regardless of how the two sides define their acts. More important is the transformed perception of the dynamic underway in the minds of most people in the Middle East.

Arabs and many others who oppose the American-British invasion do not defend Saddam Hussein, but rather defend the right of the Iraqi people to be spared from such unilateral assaults. The American-British armada also is being viewed increasingly in this region as an army of occupation -- and in some important ways it is behaving accordingly.

The suicide bombing has led American and British troops to be much more careful about coming into contact with Iraqis. The troops are more nervous and more trigger happy, as we witnessed when American soldiers shot and killed a number of women and children in a van at a checkpoint Monday. Television pictures show columns of young American and British troops walking through Iraqi villages with their guns drawn and loaded. Men who approach the soldiers have to take their shirts off, to show that they are not carrying bombs. Troops break down doors and rush into Iraqi houses, guns drawn and sometimes blazing. American and British guns shell entire Iraqi neighborhoods.

Tommy Franks, welcome to Nablus, the historic Palestinian West Bank city that became a symbol for Israeli bombardment, destruction and occupation last year.

The American-British army in Iraq is dangerously close to joining an ignominious list of modern occupation armies that generated fierce resistance from the natives, sought unsuccessfully to stay in place by the force of their superior firepower, and ultimately were driven out, dropped their imperial adventure, and returned home. The three most glaring examples of this cycle in recent memory are probably the Americans in Vietnam, the Russians in Afghanistan, and the Israelis in South Lebanon.

We already hear voices around the Arab and Islamic world asking for volunteers to travel to Iraq to fight and oust the invaders, just as tens of thousands of volunteers went to Afghanistan in the 1980s to oust the occupying Russians. Some have already made the trip, along with thousands of Iraqi men who have returned home to defend their country.

The common emotional response to the Iraq war throughout the Arab World has been one of anti-colonial resistance. This war is being seen widely as merely the latest phase of a long-running colonial drama by which Western armies invade, subjugate, reconfigure, and exploit the lands and resources of the Middle East. This may be a romantic, emotional notion, or it may be an accurate one.

Given the compelling historical lessons of the three other east, west and central Asian lands of Vietnam, Afghanistan and Lebanon, one would be a fool to be dazzled by the power and determination of a mighty nation that sends its army into distant Asian adventures. We should remember that these three other failed Asian episodes started with a superior military power occupying another land while repeating pleasant sounding rationales about security, democracy, liberation, prosperity and defending freedom. They all ended in humiliating failure at the hands of invaded men and women whose will to resist was greater than the invader's will to persist. The actions of both sides in the coming weeks may well reveal if we are moving in this direction.

PNS contributor Rami G. Khouri ([email protected]) is a political scientist and executive editor of the Daily Star newspaper in Beirut, Lebanon.
http://news.pacificnews.org/news/vie...1 7db52f90219

12clicks, enjoy living in a locked down security state for the rest of your life.

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49thParallel

The day I depend on 12 Clicks for enlightenment is the day that....oh fuck it...that day will never come.

MrPopup

In another time, that was called facism.

You sir, are a boob.

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AlienQ - BANNED FOR LIFE

"Rami G. Khouri ([email protected]) is a political scientist and executive editor of the Daily Star newspaper in Beirut, Lebanon. "

This guy must be on the pay roll of religeous extremists who wish to keep control and keep people stupid. Enlightenment to Freedom is a tough pill to swallow but once taken the grips of extremism fall one by one as the enlightened realise thier plight in the hands of religeous zeolots.

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cluck

I find it hard to believe that our "socialist" neighbors all want an Iraqi victory. You right wingers like to say all us anti-war people want an iraqi victory. This is not the case. When news comes up confirming any of our pre-war arguments and we say I told you so all of the sudden we're pro-iraq. Quit lumping everyone into a category in your black and white, right and left, right and wrong world.

I'd also like to say that if Canada and Mexico were really socialist, I'd be moving there.

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AlienQ - BANNED FOR LIFE

"We already hear voices around the Arab and Islamic world asking for volunteers to travel to Iraq to fight and oust the invaders"

But how do the Iraqi's feel about it all? Ever think of that?

Read about the Iraqi who helped save a female helicopter pilot puttin his own life in immense danger?

Thats reverse of what terrorism is.
Its called being a real hero.

I think Iraqi's will be hating the "Arab World" for not helping them at all and lettin Saddam fuck em up the ass so long...

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MrPopup

well we really dont hear those stories.

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12clicks

A brief search on the dopey subjects you take on as fact render anything out of your mouth, bulshit.
When the "mrpopups" of the world call something untrue, you can pretty much consider it fact.

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12clicks

neither will the day you achieve any sort of success.

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49thParallel

Ahhh...never to disappoint....12-Clicks, the one trick pony, comes up with another winger. (Insert sarcasm here).

12-Clicks, what you need to learn is, making comments about ones success (or lack thereof) when you have nothing to back up your comment is never a winning comeback.

You imply that you are successful, so perhaps you are. But either way, if I was to use the "paper hat" or McDonalds references on you...with no real knowledge of your success...it's kind of weak, don't ya think.

Keep trying little fella....you'll get there some day. Until then, do ya want fries with that. (In case the irony escapes you..I am now using one of your favorite comebacks, and aimed it back at you).

12clicks

I suppose where you're from, this is an artfull dodge but here its just a nobody pretending not to be.

It's ok to be a 49thparallel but when you want to piss up at your betters, you're going to get wet. You keep on pretending that you've accomplished,....uh, anything and that I just don't know it.

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Serge_Oprano

posted on Oprano by jimmyf

and just for good measure:

Wise words of a Retired Marine Master Gunnery Sergeant.
Worth your time to read.....

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I sat in a movie theater watching "Schindler's List,"
asked myself, "why didn't the Jews fight back?"
Now I know why.
I sat in a movie theater, watching "Pearl Harbor and asked
myself, "Why weren't we prepared?"
Now I know why.
Civilized people cannot fathom, much less predict, the
actions of evil people.
On September 11, dozens of capable airplane passengers
allowed themselves to be overpowered by a handful of poorly armed terrorists because they did not comprehend the depth of hatred that motivated their captors.
On September 11, thousands of innocent people were
murdered because too many Americans naively reject the reality
that some nations are dedicated to the dominance of others.

Many political pundits, pacifists and media personnel want us
to forget the carnage. They say we must focus on the bravery of
the rescuers and ignore the cowardice of the killers.
They implore us to understand the motivation of
the perpetrators. Major television stations have announced
they will assist the healing process by not replaying devastating
footage of the planes crashing into the Twin Towers.
I will not be manipulated.
I will not pretend to understand.
I will not forget.
I will not forget the liberal media who abused freedom of
the press to kick our country when it was vulnerable and hurting.

I will not forget that CBS anchor Dan Rather preceded
President Bush's address to the nation with the snide remark,
"No matter how you feel about him, he is still our president."

I will not forget that ABC TV anchor Peter Jennings
questioned President Bush's motives for not returning immediately to Washington, DC and commented, "We're all pretty skeptical and cynical about Washington."

And I will not forget that ABC's Mark Halperin warned if
reporters weren't informed of every little detail of this war, they
aren't "likely - nor should they be expected -- to show deference."

I will not isolate myself from my fellow Americans by
pretending an attack on the USS Cole in Yemen was not an attack on the United States of America.

I will not forget the Clinton administration equipped
Islamic terrorists and their supporters with the world's most
sophisticated telecommunications equipment and encryption technology, thereby compromising America's ability to trace terrorist radio, cell phone, land lines, faxes and modem communications.

I will not be appeased with pointless, quick retaliatory
strikes like those perfected by the previous administration.
I will not be comforted by "feel-good, do nothing"
regulations like the silly "Have your bags been under your control?" question at the airport.

I will not be influenced by so called,"antiwar
demonstrators" who exploit the right of expression to chant
anti-American obscenities.

I will not forget the moral victory handed the North
Vietnamese by American war protesters who reviled and spat upon the returning soldiers, airmen, sailors and Marines.

I will not be softened by the wishful thinking of
pacifists who chose reassurance over reality.

I will embrace the wise words of Prime Minister Tony Blair
who told Labor Party conference, "They have no moral inhibition on the slaughter of the innocent. If they could have murdered not
7,000 but 70,000, does anyone doubt they would have done so and rejoiced in it?
There is no compromise possible with such people, no
meeting of minds, no point of understanding with such terror.
Just a choice: defeat it or be defeated by it. And defeat it we must!"
I will force myself to:
-hear the weeping
-feel the helplessness
-imagine the terror
-sense the panic
-smell the burning flesh
-experience the loss
-remember the hatred.

I sat in a movie theater, watching "Private Ryan" and
asked myself, "Where did they find the courage?"

Now I know.
We have no choice. Living without liberty is not living.
-- Ed Evans, MGySgt., USMC (Ret.) Not as lean, Not as
mean, But still a Marine.
Semper Fi,

Serge_Oprano

Ron, did you notice that this is the same demographics of board protesters and street protersters?

uneducated, unwashed "uts"
with NOTHING to list as their achievements
;-)))

sux to be dirtbags with no clue
;-)))

KRL

You know the United Nations is ass backward when Libya is the Chairman of the Human Rights Commission.

Serge_Oprano

..and I say we have no business with UN no more,
they can go and fuck themselves!

what are the chances of UN surviving without US?

49thParallel

Once again, true to form. And once again, you miss the point...

O,K, here's a hint. At no point am I commenting on your success. I am commenting on you, as a person. So, a skillful reply on your part would take any equal swing at my attitude, my approach, or something else which can be substantiated by reading my posts.

A "preceived" weakness that you chose to attack myself and most other surfers with usually relates to what you "think" my/their industry experience is...or what my / their economic stature is. But, this type of argument is rather lame, as you are grasping at putting down someone without being able to back up your argument.

My comment..you are annoying...see....that can be backed up ... (And, once again I am using one of your favorite lines of defense..the laughing head..oh, the irony).

UnseenWorld

Minimally, I think this war is a wake-up call to a world which has wondered if the US tiger still has any teeth. I am pretty sure the governments of countries which have supported or harbored anti-US terrorists are taking note: For most countries, a war against the US would be a futile exercise, and especially if we just fought and left. The riskiest part of this war is yet to come: the temporary occupation of the Iraq. If we got pissed off at Syria or Iran and didn't care about nation-building, they'd get all of the bad and none of the good from us.

Think about what other countries would be up against:

We now have a bomb which breaks into bomblets, each separately targeted, which destroyed an entire Iraqi tank column. Think about that: one bomb=one tank column. And it's a "conventional weapon."

We have unmanned, guided kamikase planes (drone missiles) useful for purposes as diverse as destroying military hardware, military bases, or enemy leaders.

We have guns which shoot farther and more accurately than those possessed by anyone else.

As for an air force, Iraq hasn't even put a single plane in the air since the war started, even though they teased our patrols of the "no fly zone" regularly before the war began.

In short, we are losing about as many (or more) guys to equipment malfunctions, equipment failures and accidents, and friendly fire there than we are losing to enemy fire. They enemy doesn't even get the glory of saying "Well, we put up a good fight."

Only a very, very lucky shot can damage a Bradley tank (they have explosive armor, which means when a projectile hits the tank, an explosion occurs neutralizing the energy of the shell and deflecting it).

Even our foot soldiers on the ground (probably the riskiest job) wear body armor and are relatively less at risk to many kinds of lethal rifle and pistol bullets as well as shrapnel than the enemy. They are much more likely to come home injured but alive than the enemy. Our field hospitals over there are reporting that, in general, the injuries of the US troops are much less serious than those of the typical Iraqi troops which are brought in (yes, we treat injured Iraqi soldiers, too).

I think the US has just announced a new playing field.

It would be interesting to see what would happen if the US started talking seriously about withdrawing our troops from Turkey, Germany, and South Korea, not to mention a UN which doesn't seem to have much to offer the US anymore.

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12clicks

Sorry assclown, you miss the point. I'll spell it out for you slowly so you can keep up.
When someone like yourself jumps into one of my threads pretending to have the life experience to understand and then refute my topic, I like to remind the group that one of us has all the life experiences that come along with building and running a multi million dollar business (both porn and mainstream) and the other of us has the life experiences of being told, "no more of that AOL shit until you clean your room"

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12clicks

Serge, how do all these people end up with computers?

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Serge_Oprano

Ron, I only praise God they all this bunch really doesn't matter...

they don't mater in business and they don't matter in real life.

bunch of impotents with castrated voices
;-)))

12clicks

great post.

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titmowse

here's another great read:

Brewing Poverty And Violence In El Salvador

Mark Engler, a writer based in Brooklyn, has previously worked with the Arias Foundation for Peace and Human Progress in San José, Costa Rica, as well as the Public Intellectuals Program at Florida Atlantic University.

In advance of his visits to several Latin American countries, President Bush has focused public attention on U.S. aid to developing countries. As a result, the real purpose of his tour has gone unnoticed. Bush is using his time in Mexico, Peru, and El Salvador to promote neoliberal economic policies that actually serve to exacerbate inequality and undermine democratic institutions in countries throughout the region.

El Salvador, in particular, provides a case study in how Bush's version of economic "modernization" has failed the poor.

Geography has never been George W.'s strong suit, but one might expect him to try being sensitive to El Salvador's human rights concerns, given that a U.N. Truth Commission blamed the right-wing governments supported by his father for 90 percent of the approximately 80,000 murders committed through the country's civil war. Instead, President Bush's visit falls on the day normally reserved for commemoration of Archbishop Oscar Romero's assassination. The army's death squads gunned down Romero, a stalwart defender of the country's poorest citizens, during a mass on March 24, 1980.

Ten years after the signing of the Chapultepec Peace Accords ended more than a decade of bloody conflict, U.S.-supported policies continue to impede progress toward human rights. Rather than atoning for its sponsorship of Cold War crimes, the United States has overseen a type of economic transformation that punishes the same communities most victimized during El Salvador's time of violence. Under the supervision of the IMF and World Bank in Washington, DC, the conservative Salvadoran governments of the 1990s hacked social services and sold off state enterprises in telecommunications and utilities to private interests.

Businesses dramatically raised costs to consumers. At the same time, the government led drives to bust the unions that fight to keep wages in the "modernizing" economy from falling to sweatshop levels. Over the past months it announced the firing of 10,000 workers in the public sector -- a dramatic loss of jobs in El Salvador's small labor economy.

Contrary to the objectives of the U.N.'s International Conference on Financing for Development in Monterrey, Mexico, the forum which prompted Bush to increase foreign aid, these economic policies worsen living conditions for the majority of Salvadorans. The United Nations Development Program reports that El Salvador's increasing levels of income inequality rank among the highest in the world. Even the official government measures show that half of the country lives in poverty. Many Salvadorans can provide for their basic needs only because of money sent back from relatives who have emigrated to the United States. Indeed, with a regressive tax structure and a lack of public assets creating huge debts for the government, the economy as a whole depends on the $1.9 billion a year in remittances for its survival.

Democracy is also a casualty in the neoliberal regime. Members of the Bush administration have embraced the conservative ARENA party as their ideological brethren. Bush himself praises his Salvadoran counterpart, Francisco "Paco" Flores, as a "brilliant young leader" and a "breath of fresh air." But ARENA frequently shows contempt for free speech and the rights of opposition parties. When the rival FMLN gained a plurality in the Legislative Assembly in 2000, ARENA led right-wing parties in refusing to let them assume the presidency of that body. More recently, after a prominent health-care union led several days of street marches protesting the January cutbacks, they found their offices occupied by police. These are exactly the type of abuses that Bush would need to remedy if he were serious about his proclaimed desire to "strengthen democratic institutions" in El Salvador.

In the context of economic turmoil and political abuses, human rights have again become endangered. Due to an epidemic of street crime, which has given the country one of the highest per capita murder rates in the hemisphere, life for most citizens is as dangerous now as during the war. ARENA persistently attempts to undermine the Human Rights Ombudsman, an office created by the Peace Accords as a major institutional safeguard against future abuses. And the process of reckoning with past trauma has been difficult. Against the advice of organizations such as Amnesty International, the right rushed an amnesty law through the Assembly in the wake of the U.N. Truth Commission report detailing many of the war's horrors. With few exceptions, those responsible for atrocities never faced justice.

For its part, the Bush administration harbors figures like Elliott Abrams, who, as a chief Reagan spin-doctor on Central American affairs, steadfastly denied that horrific abuses ever happened. Mentioning one notorious site of terror, The New York Times noted in January that the families of those villagers massacred at El Mozote have long been denied the "foundations of healing" -- the prosecution of criminals, the official naming of victims, and appreciation of the urgent need for relatives "to possess a shard of bone to bury."

As neoliberals rush to forget the past, they may yet provoke its repetition. Francisco Flores has advocated that U.N. to return to conduct a "closing ceremony" for the Peace Accords, asserting that "the agreement to fortify democracy in the country has been completed." Furthermore, he has explained that with this matter settled, he will have nothing further to discuss with the leading opposition party.

Neither Flores nor Bush seem to understand that the pursuit of democracy and human rights must always be an on-going process.

In January, Hector Dada Hirezi, a leading commentator and past member of a transitional national government, argued that Salvadorans are finding the Peace Accords, based on the premise of ending war without producing winners and losers, being supplanted by an economic system in which the poor lose and economic elites win. More ominously, a major human rights institute at the University of Central America in San Salvador has warned that the government, in charting its present course, is "cooking a broth of violence." The rhetoric of poverty reduction has long been a part of U.S. policy in Latin America. While foreign aid can be used to good ends, allowing humanitarian gestures to disguise the policies that continue to brew poverty and injustice constitutes a recipe for crisis. Bush need only consider Argentina, a past neoliberal poster child whose dollarized currency and foreign debt spiraled into economic meltdown. Or go no further than El Salvador itself, where the issues that provoked the country's long civil war look all too similar to the poverty, inequality, and corruption that persist today.

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Serge_Oprano

titmowse,
here is a cup for the tears...

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Amazing that someone can say something and then its believed by others without researching the *facts*
Bush's version? Really? when did he become the president of El Salvador?
titmowes, you shouldn't buy into this "my country is ruined because of the billions of dollars the US gives us" clap trap.
really? care to prove this myth?

Is this the same UN who said Saddam is disarming?
what's your point? you know how many foriegn white guys come to America on Martin Luther King's birthday?

You mean when the left and right of el salvador agreed to stop fighting each other?

Wrong. Liberals are so good at making claims. They should attempt to tell the truth instead.
The US sponsored no war crimes. And the punishing "economic transformation" was better than the old communist system they had.

hahaha, yeah, that evil IMF and world bank! lets all run out in the steets and protest!!! How dare the IMF and world bank demand el salvador to clean up its communist act before giving it billions of dollars. oh, and Bush wasn't our president in the '90s (just so you know)

someone should tell this assclown that if if you raise the price too high, you'll go out of business. If people keep paying, then its still at a level considered fair.

this is a lie. the communist unions want to break the business there.
did it also announce the hiring of 10,000 new workers? because if not, the article is slanted or the workers were not needed in the first place.

the UN keeps being mentioned here as something credible. odd.
some countries are poor, some are rich. get over it. At least the rich are giving them billions in aid. (oh, wait. is that evil? its so hard to tell with the liberal crowd)

so then we should be embracing the communists? because things were so good under their rule? I suggest you read a little history.

Well then perhaps the people of el salvador should stop killing each other. are you really blaming this on Bush?
those responsible on both sides never faced justice. Both sides's leaders were guilty and agreed they didn't want to go to prison. I'm sure you think president bush had a vote in that assembly too.

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ahhhh, so you liberals think that a "spin doctor" should face prosecution while el salvadoran murderers go free? typical of your kind.
well, I suggest the elsalvadoran government do it then. Even if they have to spend some of the billions of dollars the US gives them to do it.

why should he have something to discuss with the communists if your goal is democracy and not communism. (I'm thinking the writer is a closet communist)
By saying this, Mark Engler exposes himself as someone who doesn't understand that its up to el salvador, not president Bush to make their country work.
oh, the mantra of the communist.
is this even an acreditted school?
yes, some savages should be left to their own devises. Throwing billions of dollars in aid at them doesn't help. they aren't bright enough.

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12clicks

shit, why didn't *I* give the short answer?

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Serge_Oprano

hey, eurotrash,
tell me it was planted by CIA...

WASHINGTON (Reuters) - U.S. forces near Baghdad found a weapons cache of around 20 medium-range missiles equipped with potent chemical weapons, the U.S. news station National Public Radio reported on Monday.

NPR, which attributed the report to a top official with the 1st Marine Division, said the rockets, BM-21 missiles, were equipped with sarin and mustard gas and were "ready to fire." It quoted the source as saying new U.S. intelligence data showed the chemicals were "not just trace elements."

It said the cache was discovered by Marines with the 101st Airborne Division, which was following up behind the Army after it seized Baghdad's international airport.

U.S. Central Command headquarters in Qatar had no immediate comment.

The United States and Britain launched the war against Iraq to rid the country of weapons of mass destruction. Iraq denies having such weapons.

12clicks

In other breaking news, The french just surrendered.

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Ian

"into a bastion of anti-Americanism without a military."

Partly true. Most Canadians are pissed off with Chretien for ignoring the military and putting them in impossible situations with old equipment. He even sent our troops to Afghanistan with green uniforms meant for the European theatre.

Like he lost Bush's phone number and couldn't call to ask for a couple hundred extra desert camos. LOL

Saying that Canada and Canadians are anti-American is just pure uninformed crap.

Serge_Oprano

Ian,
I personally apologise to Canadiens who support our efforts,
and I guess the generalization comes because
the morons are much more vocal than people like you.

my apologies again.

12clicks

hmmm, the US is at war because the public supports it (80% approval by last count)

Canada is against the war. if its not because the public is against it, are you saying you live in a dictatorship?

We can liberate you guys too if you need it.

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evildick

I don't recall anyone from my government asking me my opinion of the war and what our stance should be. Take from that what you will.

Ian

Serge, every country has a few loud morons. LOL

It's tough when you have one as your Prime Minister though.

Serge_Oprano

Ian,
I am eternal optimist and HOPEFULLY the voters will remember that in the next elections...
we are going to Toronto in May,
wanna catch up for a drink?

12clicks

you need to be liberated?

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Ian

"wanna catch up for a drink?"

I think that's an excellent idea. We'll have a few and solve all the world's problems in one night. LMK when you're coming.

Serge_Oprano

great!

just e-mail me your number..

[email protected]
and let's FINALLY meet after all those years we were dancing around each other
;-)))

titmowse

Yes Ron. It's the same UN who found the US complicit in the deaths of over 75,000 CIVILIANS at the hands of US-trained terrorists at the School of the Americas.

No, we just trained and funded those who committed the crimes.

The point being if Bush is so against terrorism then why is one of the most notorious terrorist training facilities for Central America located at Fort Benning?

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12clicks

EEEEEEEEEXACTLY.




We train half the world. what's your point? That non- US people can't be trusted? I'm with you there.
that after we train them, we have control of their mind and actions? Hardly.

since we are involved with just about EVERYTHING that goes on on this earth, I'd say its easy for those with an agenda to link us to the bad parts of just about anything.

Lets teach the world a lesson and stop ALL aid to ALL countries. Then we can't be blamed for their actions.

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titmowse

"The School of the Americas (SOA), in 2001 renamed the ?Western Hemisphere Institute for Security Cooperation,? is a combat training school for Latin American soldiers, located at Fort Benning, Georgia.

Initially established in Panama in 1946, it was kicked out of that country in 1984 under the terms of the Panama Canal Treaty. Former Panamanian President, Jorge Illueca, stated that the School of the Americas was the ?biggest base for destabilization in Latin America.? The SOA, frequently dubbed the ?School of Assassins,? has left a trail of blood and suffering in every country where its graduates have returned.

Over its 56 years, the SOA has trained over 60,000 Latin American soldiers in counterinsurgency techniques, sniper training, commando and psychological warfare, military intelligence and interrogation tactics. These graduates have consistently used their skills to wage a war against their own people. Among those targeted by SOA graduates are educators, union organizers, religious workers, student leaders, and others who work for the rights of the poor. Hundreds of thousands of Latin Americans have been tortured, raped, assassinated, ?disappeared,? massacred, and forced into refugee by those trained at the School of Assassins."

okay, i've really got to get back to work now. you have fun in hater land ronnie. hope that bleeding ulcer doesn't hurt too much

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12clicks

haha, now I'm a hater. I love it.

hey honey, why don't you post the url this bullshit of yours was taken from?
is it communist.com?

I'm slowly learning how easily is is to dupe people. don't know why its os easy to dupe them but it sure looks easy.

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evildick

I was leaning towards "we need a new Prime Minister", but maybe your way would be more effective.



Seriously though, every person I know is for the war. I'm from a small town in Ontario so I suppose that doesn't mean diddly. (Or at least that is what our government thinks.)

titmowse

yes sweety, you're a hater. all you do iis spit venom. it's a wonder you can swallow.

and here's your links:

http://www.pbs.org/wnet/justice/elsalvador.html

http://www.soawatch.org

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Serge_Oprano

We love everyone at Cozy Academy
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Hussein, Hitler, can surelly attest to that
;-)))

The Holy Bible lied...
meak cretins will never inherit the Earth
;-))))

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its not here:http://www.pbs.org/wnet/justice/elsalvador.html

maybe a sub page?

you confuse venom with disdain for the stupid.

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titmowse

I know Jesus and I know Paul but who are you?

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The Porn Dude

"I admit it, the liberal media were never that powerful,
and the whole thing was often used as an excuse
by conservatives for conservative failures."

William Kristol
Editor of the Weekly Standard and
Dan Quayle's former Chief of Staff


I love it when people start speaking of the power of the liberal media.


here's what you tell all them hippie peace lovers



"I know of no country in which there is so
little independence of mind and real freedom
of discussion as in America."

Alexis de Tocqueville
1805-1859


The more things change the more they stay the same.

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