Venezuela recently rised prices of gasoline. U know how much is it not ?

[klinton]

for ONE DOLLAR/ EURO exchanged on the street you may buy 200 liters/30 gallons of gasoline 95.

before it was around 50 times more ;-)

so basically, with the current prices you may fill up the tank of your car for less than 0,5 USD.

Viva la Patria ! Viva el Socialismo ! Viva Maduro !

[Paul Markham]

With all that oil, the country is still bankrupt. Not that the Socialist Leaders give3 a damn as they hide the money.

[Barry-xlovecam]

Venezuela soldiers steal goats for food

Mobs in Venezuela have stolen flour, chicken and even underwear this week as looting increases across the crisis-hit OPEC nation where many basic products have run short.

Venezuela looters target chicken, flour amid worsening shortages

[pimpmaster9000]

1 in 5 americans on food stamps....capitalism is soooooo much better

[Rochard]

Venezuela has had an on going crisis that is pretty shity. It seems it cannot produce / inport enough.... toilet paper.

Correct me if I am wrong, but Venezuela is sitting on one of the world's largest oil reserves. The problem with this is the largest customer of their oil - The United States - is now one of the world's top producers of oil and needs to import oil a lot less than in the past. The economy in Venezuela is based on selling oil, and that is no longer working.

These countries who have economies that depend on oil sales are going to have some serious issues. Importing oil will no longer be an option. At a certain point in time it will be much cheaper for countries to produce their own oil and oil imports will shrink.

Saudi Arabia is fucked. Russia too.

[Quine]

Originally Posted by crucifissio

1 in 5 americans on food stamps....capitalism is soooooo much better

Yeah, that's why Americans want to emigrate in Venezuela or Cuba and not vice versa.

There are some inherent flaws in socialism (economic calculation problem) and it will never be successful. Oil price is not important, there are many rich countries without natural resources.

[lezinterracial]

Chavez butt-fucked that country so hard he died.

[Tasty1]

In many countries like Suriname, Venezuela, Brazil, it cost more to bring the oil up, than you get money from it at this moment. Even Saudi Arabia is producing under the market value.

In the end i support sustainable energy, wind, solar, sea, doesn't matter. The countres that rely on Oil like Saudie Arabia have to much power/ influence and supporting a lot of terrorism. Taking care of your own energy will be better for the environment and the world.

[EonBlue]

Venezuela - lessons in socialism 101.

Don't try this at home folks.



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[klinton]

you are an brainwashed idiot or just joking ?

Originally Posted by crucifissio

1 in 5 americans on food stamps....capitalism is soooooo much better

[klinton]

not really. the biggest problem over there is total fuckup of badly implemented socialism/ communism/ whatever with Latin mentality

Originally Posted by Rochard

Correct me if I am wrong, but Venezuela is sitting on one of the world's largest oil reserves. The problem with this is the largest customer of their oil - The United States - is now one of the world's top producers of oil and needs to import oil a lot less than in the past. The economy in Venezuela is based on selling oil, and that is no longer working.

[klinton]

not really. for Saudis and Qatar level of profit is around 10-15 usd per barrel.
do your homework :-)

Originally Posted by Bjorn_Tasty1

In many countries like Suriname, Venezuela, Brazil, it cost more to bring the oil up, than you get money from it at this moment. Even Saudi Arabia is producing under the market value.

[ErectMedia]

Had a Venezuelan friend stay with me 3 months last year September-November. Beautiful country,gas is cheap but minimum wage is like $11/$12 month. Can't find anything there toliet paper, paper towels, etc... Talk to her every few days and she sends me pictures of shit, grocery store has limits and like zero selection so most buy shit on the black market. Politicians now working 2 days a week due to electric outages. So beautiful country with cheap gas but stores are bare, internet sucks, electric outages, likely to get shot for any cell phone as robbery/murder seems normal. She wants to come back for a vacation soon so might have her another 3 months.

[Spunky]

Beautiful country but it is seriously fucked up

[ilnjscb]

Yeah very cheap but you go there you die. Arguably the most dangerous country in the world right now for foreigners.

[EonBlue]

Hungry Venezuelans Hunt Dogs, Cats, Pigeons as Food Runs Out

Likely civil war coming soon.



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[Horatio Caine]

Originally Posted by klinton

for ONE DOLLAR/ EURO exchanged on the street you may buy 200 liters/30 gallons of gasoline 95.

before it was around 50 times more ;-)

so basically, with the current prices you may fill up the tank of your car for less than 0,5 USD.

Viva la Patria ! Viva el Socialismo ! Viva Maduro !

Im moving to Serbia tomorrow.

[crockett]

Originally Posted by Bjorn_Tasty1

In many countries like Suriname, Venezuela, Brazil, it cost more to bring the oil up, than you get money from it at this moment. Even Saudi Arabia is producing under the market value.

In the end i support sustainable energy, wind, solar, sea, doesn't matter. The countres that rely on Oil like Saudie Arabia have to much power/ influence and supporting a lot of terrorism. Taking care of your own energy will be better for the environment and the world.

Saudi Arabia is purposely pumping out too much oil to drive the price down. They claim they can do it for the next 10 to 15 years.

[pimpmaster9000]

Originally Posted by klinton

you are an brainwashed idiot or just joking ?

google it...min estimate 47 million this is about 1 in 6...

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/...ession-mostly/

[klinton]

jeezus f. christs you are retarded
please go to Venezuela and dont go back. maybe they will even employ you as some kind of useful idiot for government pigs. actually, it could be a good opportunity for you.
you will be bragging why you hate US and other imperalists and why you chosen land of milk and honey Venezuela to live in. for shopping pay for everything with your card pinned to your foreign forex account and support that way socialist government !

Originally Posted by crucifissio

google it...min estimate 47 million this is about 1 in 6...

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/...ession-mostly/

[pimpmaster9000]

Originally Posted by klinton

jeezus f. christs you are retarded
please go to Venezuela and dont go back. maybe they will even employ you as some kind of useful idiot for government pigs. actually, it could be a good opportunity for you.
you will be bragging why you hate US and other imperalists and why you chosen land of milk and honey Venezuela to live in. for shopping pay for everything with your card pinned to your foreign forex account and support that way socialist government !

so whats up with 1 in 6 mericans being on food stamps if capitalism is the shit? red flag right there

[klinton]

WHO THE FUCK CARES ?
This thread is about Venezuela. Get the fuck out my thread
it's not about US, Russia, China, Serbia, France whatever.
it's about Venezuela.
once again you came to another thread and started your bullshit, nobody cares about it.
go find some doctor maybe he will help you with your obsession.

Originally Posted by crucifissio

so whats up with 1 in 6 mericans being on food stamps if capitalism is the shit? red flag right there

[klinton]

typical stage of communism that ends. now the question is: how it will end ?
Venezuela had its own unique version of central planned economy, which mixed with Carribean/ Latin mentality....appeared to be total disaster
add to that their love/approval for violence since centuries (its in their mentality) and you have what you have.....

Originally Posted by ErectMedia

Had a Venezuelan friend stay with me 3 months last year September-November. Beautiful country,gas is cheap but minimum wage is like $11/$12 month. Can't find anything there toliet paper, paper towels, etc... Talk to her every few days and she sends me pictures of shit, grocery store has limits and like zero selection so most buy shit on the black market. Politicians now working 2 days a week due to electric outages. So beautiful country with cheap gas but stores are bare, internet sucks, electric outages, likely to get shot for any cell phone as robbery/murder seems normal. She wants to come back for a vacation soon so might have her another 3 months.

[Tasty1]

Originally Posted by klinton

not really. for Saudis and Qatar level of profit is around 10-15 usd per barrel.
do your homework :-)

You are right, cost them 25 usd per Barrel.

But they spent more, they need loans now:
Exclusive: Saudi Arabia seeks $6-8 billion bank loan to shore up state coffers | Reuters

[Horatio Caine]

Originally Posted by crucifissio

so whats up with 1 in 6 mericans being on food stamps if capitalism is the shit? red flag right there

Whats with 20% unemployment in Serbia?

[pimpmaster9000]

Originally Posted by klinton

WHO THE FUCK CARES ?
This thread is about Venezuela. Get the fuck out my thread
it's not about US, Russia, China, Serbia, France whatever.
it's about Venezuela.
once again you came to another thread and started your bullshit, nobody cares about it.
go find some doctor maybe he will help you with your obsession.

My post is very relevant because you raughed ar venecuela for being a fucked up commie oil rich country so I raughed back at you by giving you a capitalist oil rich country that has 1/6 of population on food stamps.

But ok I will not mention the USA I will just say that at least venezuela does not have 1/6 of population on food stamps while talking shit.

Now get the fuck out of your own thread LOL

[klinton]

actually you are on my ignore list, so dont know why i'm even talking with you.
you should visit doctor, I'm serious now. you seem like a mentally ill person.
anyone who would like to be critical of US, their politics, their social levels and sctrucure..whatever...wont even take your retarded posts into a considratin as..they a retaded.
"at least venezuela does not have 1/6 of population on food stamps while talking shit. "
dude you are so fucking retarded that its out of control. I am not even starting to explain that to you why.... maybe you should just view that video that I posted few posts above and try to understand it whats going on over there in the land free of food stamps. but you porbbaly wont do it, and with your next posts will start screaming again about "food stamps".btw. I bet that 1/2-1/3 of these food stamps is resold by Dominicans, Mexicans or whatever (maybe even Serbians ? ) or just that food is sent to Dominican Republic, Mexico, whatever (maybe even Serbia ? ). where the fuck is Serbia anyway ? is it something like a Great Empire from the sea to sea ? noo ? it's GDP is in top 30 of the world ?nooo ???
it's one of the smallest countries in Europe ! and its citizens are liike small dogs barking at everything that its not Serbian or Russian ! get the fuck out of here and thanx for being that great ambassador of your country ! now you may start to bark again, because I bet that a) you wont view that video that I posted b) you wont understand it c) its US fault
why should I even talk with troll ?

Originally Posted by crucifissio

My post is very relevant because you raughed ar venecuela for being a fucked up commie oil rich country so I raughed back at you by giving you a capitalist oil rich country that has 1/6 of population on food stamps.

But ok I will not mention the USA I will just say that at least venezuela does not have 1/6 of population on food stamps while talking shit.

Now get the fuck out of your own thread LOL

[klinton]

its much lower, actually around 10 $ for barrels for Saudis...and 20 $ for Russia and around 25$ for Venezuela
Barrel Breakdown - WSJ.com

Originally Posted by Bjorn_Tasty1

You are right, cost them 25 usd per Barrel.

But they spent more, they need loans now:
Exclusive: Saudi Arabia seeks $6-8 billion bank loan to shore up state coffers | Reuters

[pimpmaster9000]

I know those videos better than you do I used to live in such conditions and I know EXACTLY who put our country in such conditions

you can not mention the problems in venezuela without mentioning the USA<---root of problems...the USA put them there with their coups and destabilizing and sanctions:

"In February 2014, the Venezuelan government ordered three American diplomats to leave the country on charges of promoting violence.[1]"

also half the venezuelan population thinks the USA sucks...

you should learn to take an argument like an adult, if you do not like it, scroll to the next one you like

[_Richard_]

take that BRICS

[Horatio Caine]

Originally Posted by crucifissio

I know those videos better than you do I used to live in such conditions and I know EXACTLY who put our country in such conditions

you can not mention the problems in venezuela without mentioning the USA<---root of problems...the USA put them there with their coups and destabilizing and sanctions:

"In February 2014, the Venezuelan government ordered three American diplomats to leave the country on charges of promoting violence.[1]"

also half the venezuelan population thinks the USA sucks...

you should learn to take an argument like an adult, if you do not like it, scroll to the next one you like

So its all our fault!



Serbia/GDP per capita
6,353.96 USD (2013)

Equatorial Guinea/GDP per capita
20,581.61 USD (2013)

[klinton]

DID YOU WATCH THAT VIDEO THAT I POSTED ? that about people fighting for chicken meat in supermarket, because there were no chicken since few months in "socialists paradise".?
Who put the country in such conditions ? USA ? dude........
it's rather terrible mix of idiot socialist leaders , Latin/Carribean mentality, centrally planned economy (again - socialism) and that's all.
I dont deny that US doesnt like leaders and countries that are independent. But you may choose your independence like Brasil did during Silva government (or at least Russia during the Putin years)..or may you go by Chavez and Maduro way that ends like that. its simple.
some people prefer to take fish and later beg for it everyday, some people prefer to get their fishing pod, learn fishing and be independent. It's up to them.
sure later they will be blaming all except them for their fauult. They will blame US because their Venezuelan compatriots steal from their fields and factories, it's all US fault !
as a person from former socialist country you should know what I'm talkingh about. Actually, you wont, because socialism that you got in former Yugoslavia was kind of open and living conditions were much better than, lets say Romania.
how the f... a country that can't even produce food (thanks wise socialist leaders again ! ) can even afford to have GASOLINE AT SUCH RIDICOULUS LOW PRICE ? FOR ONE DOLLAR YOU GET 200 LITERS OF GASOLINE !!!!! it's another aspect of wisdom of Venezuelan leaders

Originally Posted by crucifissio

I know those videos better than you do I used to live in such conditions and I know EXACTLY who put our country in such conditions

you can not mention the problems in venezuela without mentioning the USA<---root of problems...the USA put them there with their coups and destabilizing and sanctions:

"In February 2014, the Venezuelan government ordered three American diplomats to leave the country on charges of promoting violence.[1]"

also half the venezuelan population thinks the USA sucks...

you should learn to take an argument like an adult, if you do not like it, scroll to the next one you like

[mineistaken]

50 times more before, so 1 dollar cent for all of the tank?

[pimpmaster9000]

@klinton

yes I watched the video...I said I know this all too well...we used to have shortages of basically anything you can think of...

your analogy with fishing is not on point...you blame socialism for the shortages of food and I blame US foreign policy and sanctions...

why do I blame the USA? well I saw what US foreign policy did to my country, it was exactly like this...we had no shortages before or after US foreign policy...I speak from experience and you speak from what others tell you...

venezuelans steal from factories??! shiiiit I bet this does not happen in the USA?

@Horatio Cane

well after 20+ years of US sanctions, war mongering and bombing you can feel happy that you brought a small country to poverty

your allies in the EU can enjoy the millions of refugees just from ex-yugo, they will eventually become 3rd world themselves, you will be one big israel

there is no way this turns out good for the USA...kiss your economy goodbye because there is nothing you can realistically do other than print more money and hope the bubble can be inflated to no end...action= opposite and equal reaction

[Horatio Caine]

I'm sure Rhodesian porch donkeys blame US for their failures. All failures blame everyone but themselves for their misery

Poland/GDP per capita
13,647.96 USD (2013)

Czech Republic/GDP per capita
19,844.76 USD (2013)

Slovenia/GDP per capita <------- Former Yougos
23,289.34 USD (2013)

Serbia/GDP per capita <---------
6,353.96 USD (2013)

[klinton]

you are OBSESSED with US. I think that you blame them for every misery that can happen to you, even for small things like being shitted on by pigeon or whatever.
I already wrote what is my opinion a reason for situation Venezuela. You say that it is US. OK. then lets make a theory: current venezuelan government is made all of US- spies, and why ? because when Venezuelan people will kick them out, they will gladly chose another one, that will push them into US arms without limits. why ? I will paraprashe cyberseo here:
hint: because current government doesnt work in the interest of venezuelan nation !

Originally Posted by crucifissio

@klinton

yes I watched the video...I said I know this all too well...we used to have shortages of basically anything you can think of...

your analogy with fishing is not on point...you blame socialism for the shortages of food and I blame US foreign policy and sanctions...

why do I blame the USA? well I saw what US foreign policy did to my country, it was exactly like this...we had no shortages before or after US foreign policy...I speak from experience and you speak from what others tell you...

venezuelans steal from factories??! shiiiit I bet this does not happen in the USA?

@Horatio Cane

well after 20+ years of US sanctions, war mongering and bombing you can feel happy that you brought a small country to poverty

your allies in the EU can enjoy the millions of refugees just from ex-yugo, they will eventually become 3rd world themselves, you will be one big israel

there is no way this turns out good for the USA...kiss your economy goodbye because there is nothing you can realistically do other than print more money and hope the bubble can be inflated to no end...action= opposite and equal reaction

[klinton]

situation like is happening in venezuela with "shortages" - actually these are no shortages, its lack of everything, its typical for communist countries with centrally planned economy.
and usually it happens in their agony years, last years.

Originally Posted by crucifissio

we used to have shortages of basically anything you can think of...

[Rochard]

Originally Posted by klinton

not really. the biggest problem over there is total fuckup of badly implemented socialism/ communism/ whatever with Latin mentality

A fucked up government that relied on oil to support it's country... Is now fucked.

The only think propping up Saudi Arabia was it's oil. Now that the United States can produce more oil than we need, we need to buy a lot less oil from others. Saudi Arabia is screwed, and at the very same time their importance has been minimized.

Wait until China starts producing more oil than the United States, which will most likely happen in the next ten years. At a certain point in time no one will be exporting oil. And while that doesn't sound like a big deal, it is - The entire military strategy since before WWII has been based on oil and who produces it. The only reason the Middle East has any importance at all is because of their oil; They put the screws to us during the OPEC crisis in the 1970s.

[EonBlue]

Originally Posted by Rochard

A fucked up government that relied on oil to support it's country... Is now fucked.

Ya, has nothing to do with trying to introduce Cuban style governance and having a former bus driver as your leader. Nope, nothing at all.



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[pimpmaster9000]

Originally Posted by klinton

situation like is happening in venezuela with "shortages" - actually these are no shortages, its lack of everything, its typical for communist countries with centrally planned economy.
and usually it happens in their agony years, last years.

I lived in a commie country with NO shortages of ANYTHING for decades and decades until the USA butted in and did an "iraq" on my country...we were commie all the way...then your "lesser of 2 evils president" decided it was time to "iraq"...

the shortages are a typical result of US intervention and sanctions...it has little to do with communism or socialism...they are not perfect systems, far from it, but give me the power the USA has and I will reduce any democratic country to a starving shit hole and claim "there look at democracy failing!"

you are wrong, and I am telling you this not to troll but because its the truth...this book is pretty much spot on, I do not expect you to read it, but if you want a good read this is the way to go:

[klinton]

but...but... it's all US fault !
play it again, Maduro !


Bolivar Fuerte !

Originally Posted by EonBlue

Ya, has nothing to do with trying to introduce Cuban style governance and having a former bus driver as your leader. Nope, nothing at all.



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[klinton]

:

Originally Posted by crucifissio

the shortages are a typical result of US intervention and sanctions...it has little to do with communism or socialism...

[EonBlue]

Originally Posted by crucifissio

I lived in a commie country with NO shortages of ANYTHING for decades and decades until the USA butted in and did an "iraq" on my country...we were commie all the way...then your "lesser of 2 evils president" decided it was time to "iraq"...

the shortages are a typical result of US intervention and sanctions...it has little to do with communism or socialism...they are not perfect systems, far from it, but give me the power the USA has and I will reduce any democratic country to a starving shit hole and claim "there look at democracy failing!"

you are wrong, and I am telling you this not to troll but because its the truth...this book is pretty much spot on, I do not expect you to read it, but if you want a good read this is the way to go:

Ya, you're right. I forgot about the US invasion of Venezuela. All of those bombs they've been dropping on that poor country and all of the sanctions they've imposed. How is a bus driver supposed to create a people's socialist utopia under those conditions?

Meanwhile, back in reality - a centrally planned socialist economy fails again. Period.

It must be very relaxing to get up every day and be so intellectually lazy to the point that you can find any ill in the world and blame it on the US.




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[ilnjscb]

Originally Posted by crucifissio

I lived in a commie country with NO shortages of ANYTHING for decades and decades until the USA butted in and did an "iraq" on my country...we were commie all the way...then your "lesser of 2 evils president" decided it was time to "iraq"...

the shortages are a typical result of US intervention and sanctions...it has little to do with communism or socialism...they are not perfect systems, far from it, but give me the power the USA has and I will reduce any democratic country to a starving shit hole and claim "there look at democracy failing!"

you are wrong, and I am telling you this not to troll but because its the truth...this book is pretty much spot on, I do not expect you to read it, but if you want a good read this is the way to go:

OK I engage you sometimes dude but listen.

1. 13.4% of USA people are on food stamps (2 in 15, or 1 in 7.5)
2. The means test for food stamps, that is, the income below which one qualifies for food stamps, is MORE THAN THE AVERAGE INCOME OF SERBIA. Our poorest citizens, who we are HELPING with food stamps, are richer than you.
3. Communism and socialism are FOOD STAMPS FOR EVERYONE - the government giving food, poorly, ineptly, and badly.
4. 50 Million People died under communism and socialism in the 1900s, many of them STARVED TO DEATH
5. Socialism and communism do not make everyone equal. There is still an elite.
6. If Serbia is failing, it is not because of the USA doing something 20 years ago, it is because people sit and complain all day about the USA rather than helping a fellow Serbian. Your English is excellent, do you teach it to poor children? Do you teach programming? Do you do anything? What Serbians have you personally helped today? Or did you sit and bitch about the USA all day?

[pimpmaster9000]

Originally Posted by klinton

:

well you lived in a commie country like me so you know better obviously...enjoy the refugees, the people around bush and clinton made some $$$ on war, you paid for it, and you will pay more

Originally Posted by Eon Blue

It must be very relaxing to get up every day and be so intellectually lazy to the point that you can find any ill in the world and blame it on the US.

noooo the USA would never ever do anything bad ever...nasty hobitses spreading rumors about the honest honest honest US gov and foreign policy...how could anybody find any fault with the US "lesser of 2 evils" political system or even think that the USA would exploit anybody???

USA=dindu

[klinton]

yes I know better and yes I lived.
now you may wave bye bye.
BYE BYE !


DON'T FEED THE TROLL GUYS ;-)

Originally Posted by crucifissio

well you lived in a commie country like me so you know better obviously...

[Barry-xlovecam]

People cannot drink or eat oil
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[klinton]

They do make everyone equally poor ha ha...except 1-10 % of Elite.

Originally Posted by ilnjscb

[SIZE="5"]5. Socialism and communism do not make everyone equal. There is still an elite.

[Rochard]

Originally Posted by EonBlue

Ya, has nothing to do with trying to introduce Cuban style governance and having a former bus driver as your leader. Nope, nothing at all.
.

Oh, I'm sure it's a combination of both things and a lot of other things.

[pimpmaster9000]

Originally Posted by ilnjscb

OK I engage you sometimes dude but listen.

1. 13.4% of USA people are on food stamps (2 in 15, or 1 in 7.5)
2. The means test for food stamps, that is, the income below which one qualifies for food stamps, is MORE THAN THE AVERAGE INCOME OF SERBIA. Our poorest citizens, who we are HELPING with food stamps, are richer than you.
3. Communism and socialism are FOOD STAMPS FOR EVERYONE - the government giving food, poorly, ineptly, and badly.
4. 50 Million People died under communism and socialism in the 1900s, many of them STARVED TO DEATH
5. Socialism and communism do not make everyone equal. There is still an elite.
6. If Serbia is failing, it is not because of the USA doing something 20 years ago, it is because people sit and complain all day about the USA rather than helping a fellow Serbian. Your English is excellent, do you teach it to poor children? Do you teach programming? Do you do anything? What Serbians have you personally helped today? Or did you sit and bitch about the USA all day?

1) ok 1 in 7.5 ...you guys tell others how to live, but every 7th dude is on food stamps?
2) bullshit point, your poor have less money because stuff is more expensive in the USA...we never ever had food stamps...we did have petrol stamps during the US sanctions tho...
3) bullshit...google food stamps + any commie country start with serbia...we never had them...
4) yes, the cold war steered money away from food in russia, china and n.korea...the communists made a huge mistake by not printing the shit out of their currency, enforcing it by violence and exporting their inflation to others like the USA did...lesson learned...
5) exactly the same goes for capitalism...
6) I employ about 30-40 people depending on the season...18 full time in my mainstream software development business, 4 full time for my greenhouses and another 10 part time during picking season, and around 10 strippers in my studio depending on who flakes out when...