The issue is Amp build Snow some designs for that old design contest that went down on the message board.

Understand that I have not talked to Amp (about this deal) so I only have one side of the story. Amp built 2 paysite deisgns for a design contest and says that Snow owes him some money. How much I don't know but an ICQ I got from another webmaster said it was $1,000 US.

Snow, like myself and many others went through some hard times in the past. Snow has fixed these issues as much as one person can and in my eyes has taken MafiaBucks to a new level and done a fine job.

I have posted many times if anyone has an issue with me (or my companies) to e-mail, icq or call me. I can handle all issues and solve any problem before it has to goto the public bashing level.

Again, if Amp feels he wants to be paid then I will pay him.

AMP

When is it my turn? How long is the list ? Ill give you a chick if you bump me up on the list

Rules were.

a. Enter a kick ass design and get bragging rights.

b. to kick ass.

Which Amp did.

He won with 2 different designs, nad was never paid for one of them.

Thats about it.

burp.

Fletch

I Fed Ex'd you the anal soothing cream you wanted. It should be arriving today. Make sure you heat it up in the microwave first.

Nice man.

Anxious is an understatement.

So bottom line is: [cuz I didn't see "get paid" in the rules]

Designers compete with differing designs for the site, snow picked the winner, and its IMPLICITLY understood that winning designer gets paid.

If these are the facts then the guy is owed money

He never billed for them you Moron. and Never agreed to. get that through youre head. I'm done posting about this.. Mafia was a free design for the contest.

If Amp cant communicate it's not my problem nor thedoc's..

BYE

Somewhat, but it was just 'enter a kick ass design and let the people vote'

thats all it was.

Plenty of other designs were used by affiliate programs.
GammaCash had their teen Site in there (i think), and i think BoobDollars had a BigBoob site used.

At the time of the design contest many designers were too booked etc, so some used their current workload as an entry.

Then i guess SNow thought he didnt have to pay for the tour after the contest.

Thats why I say, did Lens not pay for http://www.blackbutter.com because it was entered? Did the designer of Gamma's WebYoung (i think) not get paid? Of course they did.

They should have been honored their tours were used as n entry and been glad for the exposure.

If it is 1k thats sad to see that someone cant pay a grand , i thought it was much more than that.

He was building many sites for lensman on contract at the time. That's irrelevant. Mafia was a free design for a contest END OF STORY...And Amp flaked on me cause he was too busy building for lens which is cool. But hey dont come back at me after you slow down and nail me for it. I'm done talking about this. It's really stupid.

Snow, shush before I reach through my computer and pop ya a virtual smack to the back of the head :)

It does not mater if he was or wasnt suppost to be paid. He feels at this moment that he does so we pay him.

Having larger known people bashing each other on a messageboard is both lame and very unprofessional. This is a business not a group of high school kids gathering around the flag pole at 3pm.

I agree doc but this approach was taken months ago. The issue here is drama and they love it here. I'm out. gonna stir up some galleries. Laterzzzzzzzz

No need to personally insult people. We're just participating in a discussion here to discuss facts and reputation issues that impact the webmaster community.

Well said TheDoc

Hehe. The Doc has my respect.

This guy knows how to run a business!

:1orglaugh

*makes a mental note to never do business with SNOW*

Definitely a true professional! :thumbsup

G the facts were posted months ago. I bash no one unless I'm bashed upon. Fletch does not know the details and it's irritating after he has seen them.

Again I'm out. do a search on the mafiaporn contest and read on the contest. And read the huge statement that amp made after bashing everyone and realising what he did. It's all drama and its old. I have said what i had to say and so did the doc. Thats it.

You said it, not me. This thread goes on [edited]'s reputation ranking list :thumbsup

Damn... TheDoc, you should hold seminars and get paid to bash this into people's heads, there are a lot of folks in this business who still haven't graduated from the "flag pole" mentality.
Your posts in this thread have been extremely professional. :thumbsup :thumbsup

same :Graucho

TheDoc = Class Act. :thumbsup

How could I have seen the details but not know them?

You dont make sense, and are just trying to discredit me, typical.

Wow. Never thought I'd see you say that!

Blah Blah Blah fucking Blah

Not at all Fletch.. Seriously. Alot of people jump the boat on certain issues. Alot of people like amp cause he's funny and entertaining and I respect that. Hey have fun that's what it's all about. But when false accusations are made and people start siding with other parties cause they dont know the details it's frustrating.

Here are the facts Fletch, and I have repeated myself numerous times. Sorry I called you a Moron but I don't feel I need to explain myself ONCE AGAIN.

STORY=
http://www.gofuckyourself.com/showth...threadid=90503

never go into an agreement with someone based upon their word that they will take care of you and return a favor....

cash is king.

TheDoc, i quite strongly feel that large cash owes me $5,000. ICQ me for my paypal address. :winkwink:

I'm drunk. I will start cussing him out soon.

I agree 101% :thumbsup

LOL

:mad:

Why do people feel compelled to air their dirty laundry on the boards?

Drama like this is entertaining as hell but it is rather childish.

Sad as it is, sometimes it's the only way to receive what you're owed. People cherish their reputations, but for some reason neglect them away from the public eye...

Hey Snow, I've known you for a while and always stayed without passing a judgement on the grounds that you really did get fucked by other people and it was not your fault...

Hell, I know you since you got in this industry a few years ago...

But honestly, here, I think something is wrong.


I just read through it, and am wondering if you could explain something for me, because right now I don't see any sense in this all...


Regardless of if Amp comes to you, sends a bill, etc... you claimed he entered a contest... To me, a contest goes like it. You enter, you win, you Get something...


what did he get out of it? you're using his designs... no? then he has to get something out of it....


what is it that you claim he's won out of it... what were the terms of the contest?


To me, if the design is worth keeping, then regardless of any terms, I like to think that the designer deserves a little something ... otherwize it's not called a contest :)


lemme hear your story bro, cuz some things don't add up here...

Wasn't fair to attach an innocent parties name to things snow should take ownership of. Bad call on my part.

Now.... snow: Your mafia tours were NOT involved with any contest. Let's make that clear right now. It just happened to be that I was building your tour at the same time that MY design contest was going on, and so I used the mafia tour in the contest with your blessing. The tour was not a prize. The contest was not to design a mafiaporn tour. The contest and you were completely separate things.

Lest we be blurring reality here.

Might as well stop the whole 'it was a contest' line of reasoning right now, because one has nothing to do with the other.

for $1000 what I don't understand is why snow doesn't just give it to amp and be done with it regarless of right or wrong? That doesn't make sense to me? I'm sure this has cost snow more than $1000 in negative publicity.....mind you sometimes any publicity - even negative is good - so what do I know?


what I don't understand is why snow would receive the tour as a prize? please enlighten us - I'm a little dense and don't get that???


lol - looks like Amp is the real mafia guy here -
'PAY ME OR I'LL DESTROY YOU ON GFY"

At the risk of stating the obvious, some people simply don't have a thousand bucks laying around, Sleazy.

I have said my peace if you want to continue to rant go for it. I will stick to being professional and do what I need to do. You made that site on good faith to partner with me and to use my name for the contest END OF STORY.

You dissapper cause you get tied down with work and I dont hear form you. All of a sudden I owe you. I'm done with you and I will never deal with you again. I ICQed you and emailed you many times and then you have the adacity to talk smack about largecash. So you know what Burry youreself even deeper in a hole. You finally billed us today and you will be paid. I'm done talkinig about this. And mag I have known you for 4 years now.

And MafiaPorn will be Re-done again cause youre designs DONT CONVERT worth a shit ampass. Talk smack about pensfan but his designs work well. We had a agreement and I paid him every penny. Just like webInc and I paid them every penny UP FRONT, You seem to have problems with alot of people that arent talked about here. Good Luck

It's not the money It's how he conned me into paying him after he pulled out. HE IS A TRUE CONN ARTIST.

That's ok he will be paid now.. I'm done talking about him and so are alot of people that have been icquing me all day to not even awnser this clown.
I can post youre apology letter and all the ICQ's But I choose not too. I wont drop to youre level again.

Agreed! :thumbsup

i don't believe snow one meter anymore!!

sorry bro but I don't - it just dont add up!

Damn.

I thought i read somewhere that Amp was suppose to get a cut of the Mafiabucks profits but didn't?

I think its obvious Amp was promised something, then after the contest didnt get anything because Snow figures the publicity was enough, and whatever 'partner' deal he had went sour.

Thats the facts we are missing.

lol... sure
not much of a partnership when I get $0.
use your name??? ROFL!!!! Your name is worth fuckall. I did my part as your 'partner' to help boost your mafia stuff by using the tour in MY contest and attaching it to MY name you ass. Don't flatter yourself.

I have never disappeared. I'm always here.
thank god...
Largecash post coming next after this one... as for you snow, fuck off.
or maybe it's because you don't know the first fucking thing about running a successful program?
pensfan is a crook.
yeah... I'm the con artist. I do three fucking tours for you and then some, get no money for it whatsoever, and I'm the con artist.
yes, I will. But not by you.... isn't that right. Someone else is cleaning up your mess.
that's because you look more and more like an ass every time you open your mouth.
I helped you smooth all this shit out last time as a favor to you to try and stop some of the damage to your name.... because I was a fucking nice guy steve.

but not anymore.

I never have since the dialer fiasco he was involved in.

So if he partnered with you, why hasn't he received his % of the site?

btw, I think that was the other way around. Everyone was waiting to see what Amp would come up with that for contest. I think if anything, Mafiabucks got a huge boost because Amp used that design for the contest.

Doc & LargeCash:

you're a fucking stand up guy bro. Sorry you got stuck cleaning up snow's mess.

you're a good man Doc.... straight props to you and LargeCash. :thumbsup

You weren't around then. Or is this a freudian Pathfinder slip?