I personally feel safe all the time. Not afraid of too much...except cops. They make me nervous these days.

Observation? I figured you have first hand experience how to deal with doped out 6'2" black guy dragging you out of your car. Damn.

PS: Weird, I'm not scared of cops. Never been roughed up or chased around. Could it be because I pull over, roll my window down and get ready to hand in my insurance and dl when asked? My clean rap sheet helps out as well?

You've said that before and it blows my mind; middle aged white guy, you don't look like you did time so can't imagine cops are particularly intimidated by you to want to come off as aggressive.

Hell, I get into heated arguments with cops (just last week for example) around here and never felt nervous doing so.

It's just sad how uninformed Micahel Brown supporters are on this incident. You are making yourselves look stupid.


Here are the facts:

- Michael Brown manhandled a store clerk while stealing blunts. Video has been posted online.

- He and his friend left the store and walked down the middle of the street, backing up traffic.

- The cop (who was unaware of the robbery) pulled up next to Brown and friend and told them to get on the sidewalk.

- Brown started swearing at the cop.

- The cop opened his door, but Brown slammed hit shut with both hands and held it shut.

- Brown then began punching the officer in the face, causing injury.

- The officer pulled out his firearm and Brown grabbed it and held it down.

- The officer shot Brown twice in the arm. Gunpowder residue was found in the wounds, shell casings and Browns blood in the car, proving there was indeed a close combat struggle.

- Brown then backed out of the car and took off down the street.

- Brown then turned around and rushed the officer and was shot. He then continued moving forward, as evidenced by the blood trail and he was then shot again.

- Autopsy results have shown that Brown did not have his hands in the air at the time he was shot as Brown supporters claim. Doctors can tell his because the muscles change shape while stretched and the damage to Brown is not consistant with someone who had their arms raised.

- Several black witnesses have come forward with stories that match up with the officer's telling of events. These people are afraid to talk to the media.

The BOGUS series of events the low IQ fools want you to believe:

- Brown and friend were walking on the side of the street.
- The cop drove by, put his car in reverse, stopped by Brown and slammed his door open into him.
- The cop then grabbed brown by the neck and pulled him into the car.
- Brown backed out and got down on his knees and put his hands in the air.
- The cop then executed brown by shooting him in the head.


The morons that believe this will believe NOTHING from the official report when it comes out. To them it will all be a fabrication, evidence planted and science staged.

dude had no gun, got killed by punk police

This is how the masses feel they have a voice and its a reason to loot Wal-Mart goods too lol.
Errbody needs new irons sometimes

Sure theres a time whem its legit but its not now imo and it makes all those arguing for it look silly.

Id wager theres as many biased black cops as there are white cops.

His location says he is in the Netherlands. Things might be different there. If he did that in the US the police wouldn't have left, they would have arrested him and charged him with assaulting an officer.

So her is either in a different country or full of shit.

The law doesn't require a weapon to use deadly force. It only requires the officer fearing for his life of the life of another. Let's not let logic or the law get in the way of ignorance and guessing what the facts are though.

:2 cents:

49 "fuck it's" we're just going to guess what happened. LOL.

Brother, you are missing a very big fact.
Michael Brown was unarmed and the cop shot him SIX times including TWICE in the head:
http://www.washingtonpost.com/news/m...e-in-the-head/

Now you can call names and think you are smarter than everyone else...but the last I checked stealing from a store and acting like an asshole didn't call for the death penalty.

By the way I'm not a "Michael Brown supporter" as you are trying to label people.

I am just a person who has watched the cops get more and more power and become more and more aggressive and abusive during my lifetime. Nothing more, nothing less.

This is going to be a long thread. I'll make some popcorn.

http://www.rochardsbunnyranch.com/rock/popcorn2.jpg

I'm pretty sure that if any person, black or white, tried to drag me out of my car I could handle it. Hell, I might even shoot them, though I'd probably just knock the guys teeth out instead. lol

But then again, I'm not a cop. And I wouldn't have drove up on two guys and started barking orders at them. So that particular situation wouldn't have happened to me.

I said the same thing once.

I woke up five minutes later. Still not sure what happened.

Based on your size I highly doubt it. Best thing you can do to 280 lbs 6'2" guy is to hit the pedal to the metal

You are the one that is missing the facts that makes it self-defense on the cops part, but when it comes to cops you could not care less what the facts were. :2 cents:

Try doing it on teh internets. Safer.

I'm plenty big enough to handle a guy like that. I'm 6'1" 210 pounds. I'm pretty sure that I could knock the living hell out of that guy. Tangled with bigger in my life.

But that's not the point. The point is that the police are not supposed to be killing people.

Petty theft isn't a capital offense. Neither is getting into a fight. And yeah, people do get killed for doing dumb shit like Michael Brown did...but the police aren't supposed to be killing people. They are supposed to be civil servants.

That's what I'm saying. They aren't supposed to be judge, jury, and executioner.

I can see by the way you're approaching this that you think otherwise. Hey, it's a free country.
I just disagree with allowing cops to get away with killing unarmed people.

If this cop assessed the situation and realized that he wasn't physically able to handle this guy...then why did he start running his mouth?
Hindsight being 20/20, I'm guessing he probably wishes that he had called for backup first.
Sure would have made this a different situation.

I think the cops are a bit out of control. Seeing some of the crap they have been pulling leads me to that conclusion.

If it had been YOU in this situation. And YOU had shot this guy dead...you would have been arrested and in jail. And then facing a judge.

It should be the same for the cop. They shouldn't be above the law.

And if he went to court and was found Not Guilty, then he would walk away. Just like George Zimmerman did.

But he should be held accountable. He pulled a gun at a fist fight and killed the other guy.

That's just the way I see it. And until the law is applied the same to cops and citizens...then the cops will continue acting as if they are above the law.

I think they should all be wearing cameras. And if they kill somebody under ANY circumstance...it needs to be investigated by an agency outside of the local police force/law enforcement brotherhood.

:1orglaugh Ain't that the truth! :1orglaugh

I fucking hate cops, and authority of any kind. I'm an asshole like that. But... it wasn't *just* a fistfight - the guy was going for the gun (or at least, the cop THOUGHT he was going for his gun, rightly or wrongly, he's now in that mindset. Maybe correctly, maybe not, that part doesn't matter at this specific point).

If you were carrying, you wouldn't necessarily shoot to kill the other guy, but once you thought he was going for your gun, instinct kicks in, and self-preservation is about the strongest force there is. Logic, reasoning, and rational thinking take a walk, and things spiral.

When the guy turned back, was the cop in danger of his life? Of course not, but now this cop has been in a fight/struggle with the guy, which is enough to set alarm bells ringing, so he panicked like fuck, and put a couple through the guys head.

Is that 'right' or 'proper' - well no, not when you look at it with a clear head, not even a little bit. But... I can 100% understand *why* the cop did what he did. Sometimes, darwinism just steps in, and you just have to take that fact on the chin, and say well, he was a dumbass, and initially escalated the situation. Not saying he *deserved* to be shot and killed for being a thief and a stoner, but he did reap what he sowed to a very large degree.

Fuck that. Don't fuck up and you won't get shot. Why does that cop have to win a fight or possibly lose one and not go home that night?

Fuck people who think they can run, put the public in a panic and possibly kill somebody else during a high speed chase. Just kill the fucking morons.

Are you sure about that? Claudia Marie is what 5'3"? Plenty of pix with two of you together and unless you or I gained few inches since 2010 I call bs.
Dude, I know its internet and all but come on :1orglaugh

You'd think all consenting adults get this.

out of curiosity: it was in US or Netherlands (your sig)?

If this version of events is true, then I'll change my stance to "he was asking for it"...but I still think the cop should have been able to handle the situation without taking his life.

..and the marijuana in his system thing doesn't make sense because when has anyone heard of a violent high person?

i know some people who used to enjoy smoking and then picking fights. Numbed them to any pain they received. Some people are just mean and looking for action

I have not been following this case so I will refrain from commenting on it. However, I will share my thoughts about police and deadly force.

- Police have a hard job. They never know who they are going to roll up on and if they will try to kill them or not. So I do acknowledge the danger of their profession.

- They are human. They make mistakes, lie, destroy evidence, or whatever they have to do to cover their own ass if they need to. The flip side to that coin is they can also sometimes be good and help you when you need them. But there are a lot of bad apples that ruin it for the good ones.

- All police should be equipped with cameras on their body. Preferably two of them in case one malfunctions. If you can militarize a police force and give them the legal authority to take a life, you can put cameras on their person and in their car, looking out AND looking in, with audio.

- Police should be trained, and spend an hour per day training continually if they must, to learn how to do their job without using lethal force. They should all be able to take a normal person (not jacked up on something) down with their hands and restrain them. If you can't do this, you shouldn't be a police officer. Period. Training for this should never stop, so they are great at it and it is second nature. If they are confident they can handle it without their weapon, it just may save lives.

- Pulling their firearm should always, always, always be the very last resort when all else fails and their life is literally in danger. Simply pulling your firearm as a first response because you don't know how to deal with someone with your hands is a cop out and unacceptable. Non-lethal force should always come first, every time, no matter what.

- The bar is set too low to become a police officer. They need to raise it, much higher. They don't need cowboys with guns, they need well trained men who keep their cool, know how to handle themselves at all times, are friendly with the public at all times, and never think of using their gun unless they absolute have to. The days of testosterone driven idiots barking orders at, or assaulting the very people they are paid to serve, need to go.

I've been wrongfully physically abused by the police, and I've seen them lie in court one after another to protect each other, so I know it happens. I can't imagine the lengths they will go to in order to cover up a murder, as corruption runs through every police force and by default they will always protect their own. People shouldn't fear the police, but depending on where you live, or what color you are, you may. That is the first indication that something is massively wrong with the system.

To add... nothing you can do other than trying to take a life, should result in getting yours taken. Attacking a policeman with your bare hands is not enough to justify getting killed. Beat up, tazed, maced, or your balls smashed, sure. But not shot and killed.

What??? I'm 6'1" and have been since highschool. Since I don't know who you are, I can't say when I ever met you.

Anyway, you're memory isn't very good or you're just fucking with me. Either way, it doesn't have much to do with this topic.

I can agree with that. It's sort of what I think too.

People get scared and panic and shoot to kill. That's why I can't see how anybody could say the cop was just doing his job when he shot the guy 6 times including twice in the head.

Difference is...if you or I were carrying a gun and got scared and shot someone six times including twice in the head...we'd go to jail.

How many times did George Zimmerman shoot Trayvon Martin. Once during the fight.
And look at the shitstorm over that.

I think that this cop should have never drawn his weapon.
I think he should have never initiated the whole confrontation if he knew he couldn't physically handle the situation.
And in the end, when the shit hit the fan...I KNOW he didn't need to shoot this guy 6 times including TWICE in the head.

That's not being a cop. That's just plain out killing somebody else.

I just want to say that the cop in the gas station who shot at that guy 4 times when he turned "aggressively" to get his drivers license as ordered also claimed he was in fear for his life. That's not the issue.

IQ's are also not the issue. Remember in 1999 the courts ruled that police can screen applicants and deny those with higher IQ's as a way to reduce turnover.

I haven't been following this one but nothing would surprise me. Nothing at all from either side.

Aren't you removing the possibility that the guy already went for the gun in the car in some sort of struggle resulting in it going off. Not sure I could make that call if that was the case.
All you would know at that time was the guy already went for your gun and it went off so you could think he already tried to shot you. Can you really say that you know 100% that he doesn't also have his own gun? Where would the reasonable line of thinking be in not shooting someone that is possibly armed that has already tried to use deadly force.

Cops are train to aim for center mass.
This is not a new thing, this is how it has been for decades and decades.
The thinking is that "should" a cop need to shoot some one it is only for life or death situations and missing the person could result in hitting someone else etc..
So missing someone that is not the intended target is really not an option...

Key point being that puling a gun should only be done if the situation falls into having a high possibility of ending up in a life of death situation.

Using the gun should only be as a last resort and only if its a life or death situation.

There does needs to be considerably more focus on constant training of cops to understand how to deal with situation to deescalated rather than have them escalated. And in saying that I agree the cop should have been trained to be able to see that he should not have entered a situation where he really should have just called for back up and not pulled his gun.

I'm not removing that possibility... I think that may very well have happened.

I also can't understand what that cop was thinking by sitting in his car barking orders at people when he wasn't prepared to back it up. As you said, he should have called for backup.

The "center mass" thing is a "copout" for the police (pun intended).
This cop wasn't shooting for center mass to avoid hitting other people. He shot the guy six freakin' times including two kill shots to the head.

That's a guy who shouldn't BE a cop. And it's a guy who should be going to jail and in front of a jury to get this sorted out (like every other citizen would).

I think that DWB's post above pretty much summed up the way I see it too.

yup I agree with all that too. And what DWB said. Sometimes though, it's prudent to just say you know what, sometimes shit like this just happens, due to fuckups from both/all sides. Neither is totally at fault, and neither is guilty of being 100% to blame. Ofc, just from what I've seen of it, which is only gfy :thumbsup

In general I don't see the center mass as a "copout"... *when used properly etc...
Mostly be cause I don't want a cop aiming for a leg, missing and hitting me or someone I know.. When it's used in conjunction to a shooting where the gun should not have been pulled or cop should have just waited for back up etc.. it's just abuse of protocol to cover ones ass.

I'm speaking in generalities because I was not there, and this case has way too much BS and bias all over it to even try to form a solid opinion of ones own... In the end I think this maybe the factor that leads to it not going to trial.

Also wanted to say agree with this not 100% but 99% is enough

You know, you just hate to admit it. Nobody here is saying that cops don't make mistakes, mistakes that cause deaths. but you are assuming that all cops are dangerous psychopaths murdering everyone they come across, which is ludicrous. both of us know they aren't. They aren't pure evil and neither are most of the criminals they have to deal with on a daily basis, but this doesn't mean they don't have the right to protect themselves when threatened which is almost certain what happened in this case.

And you do? Show us just one thread of a controversial situation involving a cop which you've sided with the person that is not law enforcement... not once. This means you don't look at the facts, you don't look at the witness reports, you certainly don't look at an video footage; you have your mind made up that you will infallibly always side with the cop. People like you are ignorant and dangerous in society. And usually are law enforcement (which you are not) or have relatives or family in law enforcement.

There was a recent thread when a black guy pulled into a gas station, cop pulls up and asks the guy for his ID then unloads on him, even when the guy had his hands raised. Everything on video from start to finish. I scoured that thread just to see your opinion (not because I give a shit about it but more that your ignorance fascinates me and gives me a glimpse inside the demented minds of people like you) and guess what, no comment from you. None of the usual 'yea but what happened before the video' bullshit, nothing. So on an issue like that when it's clear as day, instead of commenting about excessive force you just remain silent. Speaks volumes about you and your morale compass.

i am confused.. why can't they just test the blood in the cruiser wilson had? Seems like a slam dunk case if they were able to test the car for Browns blood?

I think that has already been done and confirmed. I believe it was posted on the first page of this thread.