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SomeCreep 04-04-2014 09:42 AM

These things happen. It's not the first time and it wont be the last.

crockett 04-04-2014 09:46 AM

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Originally Posted by SomeCreep (Post 20038314)
These things happen. It's not the first time and it wont be the last.

But why should it be accepted as if the cops did nothing wrong. This time clearly won't be the last and it seems to be getting worse.. Cops today look and tend to act as soldiers not police officers. They are trained and encouraged to have a us vs them mentality and are increasingly being more militarized.

It's not going to get better and it's clearly getting worse.

mineistaken 04-04-2014 09:47 AM

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Originally Posted by stickyfingerz (Post 20038269)
So were they concerned he was a ninja? Maybe with a flick of his wrist he could take out two cops from 30ft? Are all the cops now like Uncle Jim on Southpark? "Look out he's coming right for us!!" *BANG BANG BANG!!*... lol Rules of engagement are now... "Look out he's coming right for us!!"... Look out!! That looks like something he could use to whittle a carving with.... *BANG BANG BANG!!*

So the excuse here is... he .... was camping... and he had a knife.. and he slowly started doing as they commanded to come down the hill... and then they saw he had a knife.. so... kill him..... Seems perfectly reasonable..... :error

You fail to get the simple point...
Again - he was shot NOT because of illegal camping. Illegal camping was merely the reason for cops to arrive. That reason could have been ANY other illegal activity.

For a man to be shot FOR illegal camping the situation must go like this:
Cops arrive and see him illegal camping and shoot him because of that. This was not the case, cops arrived and told him to stop doing illegal activity.
So:
False: Cops shot him because he illegal camped.
True: Cops shot him because he was doing ninja moves.

mineistaken 04-04-2014 09:53 AM

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Originally Posted by crockett (Post 20038250)
It's not a bad title, it described his crime. If the cops shoot a bank robber that's fleeing, they don't say "cops shot man running away" they call him a bank robber because that's the crime he committed. In this case the crime he committed was illegal camping in the middle of the desert.

Titles would not be "cops shot men FOR bank robbery".
Titles like yours are just to play with peoples emotions and anybody with half a brain understands it.
Truth was that he was shot because of "ninja moves" (as stickyfingerz put it) and not because of illegal camping.

DamianJ 04-04-2014 10:05 AM

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Originally Posted by Rochard (Post 20038245)
I didn't say that. If a mentally ill person is running down the street armed with a knife and attacking people, I want him stopped and detained and sent to the hospital. I don't want anyone dead. But if you attack a police office with a knife, the officer has the right to self defense.

He wasn't running down the street attacking people. He wasn't attacking a police officer with a knife.

But don't let pesky facts get in the way of your world view.

stickyfingerz 04-04-2014 10:11 AM

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Originally Posted by mineistaken (Post 20038327)
You fail to get the simple point...
Again - he was shot NOT because of illegal camping. Illegal camping was merely the reason for cops to arrive. That reason could have been ANY other illegal activity.

For a man to be shot FOR illegal camping the situation must go like this:
Cops arrive and see him illegal camping and shoot him because of that. This was not the case, cops arrived and told him to stop doing illegal activity.
So:
False: Cops shot him because he illegal camped.
True: Cops shot him because he was doing ninja moves.

Cops wouldn't of been there if he wasn't "illegally camping". I suppose swat and flash grenades are needed for "illegal camping" right? The real point in all this is... cops went to tell a illegal camper to leave. They came prepared in armor and many weapons.. to issue a citation... I'm not the one missing the "point". lmao

_Richard_ 04-04-2014 10:12 AM

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Originally Posted by mineistaken (Post 20038338)
Titles would not be "cops shot men FOR bank robbery".
Titles like yours are just to play with peoples emotions and anybody with half a brain understands it.
Truth was that he was shot because of "ninja moves" (as stickyfingerz put it) and not because of illegal camping.

im sorry, how many times have you looked at 3 rifles pointed at you?

ones first reaction is to not move. at all.

he was shot when he decided he better putt he stuff down.

crockett 04-04-2014 10:23 AM

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Originally Posted by mineistaken (Post 20038338)
Titles would not be "cops shot men FOR bank robbery".
Titles like yours are just to play with peoples emotions and anybody with half a brain understands it.
Truth was that he was shot because of "ninja moves" (as stickyfingerz put it) and not because of illegal camping.

Clearly arguing about a title is more important than, cops throwing a flash grenade at a guy that was clearly picking up his stuff to leave. They followed the flash bang grenade up with 6 lead rounds from assault rifles but were then forced to shoot him 3 more times at point blank range with a beanbag shot gun as he lay threateningly motionless on the ground bleeding out. Yet wait they still weren't sure if mr attack ninja illegal camper guy might slay them all, so they released their dog on him to chew on his leg a bit...

Obviously the title is clearly reason enough to justify cops to do all this..

Btw if you watch the video, you can see when he pulled the knives. It was after the cops started their attack on him. He wasn't standing there arguing with them holding knifes. He pulled it out after they threw the flash bang grenade at him.

They essentially escalated the situation to the point they pushed a mentally ill guy into trying to defend himself then they shot him to death. At no point did he ever pull out the knives and threaten them until they attacked him.


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