True, it is a classic piece of history.

Smallpox was bad news. Now, one could make the argument that white man purposely gave natives smallpox, and that could be considered murder/slaughter/genocide. How to get those numbers? No clue. I suppose we could pull them out of our ass. I mean, we've already seen so much of that in this thread, let's throw in another chunk of dookie.

And a hundred million of them too. lol

The 100 million figure most likely came from History Professor David Stannard, in his book, "American Holocaust" (1992):

http://ecx.images-amazon.com/images/...SH20_OU01_.jpg



Elsewhere you mocked the idea that "the white man intentionally inflicted Indians with diseases such as small pox in order to wipe them out?"

People can scholarly discuss and dispute the numbers, however is it well-documented and indisputable that the U.S. Army committed outrageous atrocities against various Indian tribes, and that a number of these atrocities were explicitly genocidal in intent.

http://www.famousquotesabout.com/quo...ood-Indian.jpg

http://www.onjinjinkta.com/NP/assets...0any%20man.jpg

http://4.bp.blogspot.com/-V93f9fujjY...nd%2Bsale2.jpg

https://realrest.files.wordpress.com...97049795_o.jpg

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ADG

Fear China not the Mexicans

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So we went from hundreds of millions to twenty thousand. Big difference.

I'm the one that mocked that.

Small pox can only be transmitted person to person. A couple of military can send letters back and forth about blankets, but that doesn't = a widespread effort and especially doesn't mean anything came from it since blankets can't transfer the disease.

This isn't correct. From the NIH's own website entry on smallpox: "Contaminated clothing or bed linens also can spread the virus. Those caring for people with smallpox need to use special safety measures to ensure that all bedding and clothing from the infected person are cleaned appropriately with bleach and hot water. Caretakers can use disinfectants such as bleach and ammonia to clean contaminated surfaces."

But it's true there aren't too many documents indicating anything like intentional biological warfare - just a few. Again, I think we're running into a semantics issue where you're citing deaths as a direct result of violence and others are totaling them as a direct result of European expansion (including violence, disease brought by Euros, famine due to eradicated food sources and loss of land, etc).

Either way, lotta people died, same as everywhere else.

More Dyna Mo disinformation... :1orglaugh

From the National Institute of Allergy and Infectious Diseases:

http://www.niaid.nih.gov/topics/smal...nsmission.aspx

Getting back on topic, I am appalled at the ignorance and hatred displayed in the video that started this thread. Not sure how much good can come from such attitudes. :2 cents:

http://sociorocketnewsen.files.wordp...2/03/10011.jpg

As I indicated earlier, American white racists are going to be in for a rude awakening as the demographics rapidly change over the next 10-20 years. If they are not very happy with minorities now, wait until the tables are turned on them. :helpme

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ADG

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I have the nutsack to share my views directly via my own words and you seem to have an issue with that, thus your need to describe my views as "disinformation" attempting to discredit me by suggesting I am intentionally trying to spread falsehoods. Yet as I've mentioned, I'm more than open to facts and figures. And if I'm wrong, I've acknoweldged that many times here at gfy. Sadly, I've never once seen you be able to do that.

Thanks for the update, I was going on recollection. Nevertheless, the point is still valid, a correspondence between 2 military figures 300+ years into the time that disease had wiped out Indians is no real proof that the Army had a strategy to use small pox to not only wipe out the Indians, but actually wiped out any significant # of them, the majority of them had already succombed to the disease.

This seems like an accurate description.

Anti illegal, not anti race. People like to drop racism everywhere where white people say something.

The Chinese can't swim that far silly..

It doesn't take a nutsack to spread disinformation, and the fact is that you repeatedly spread falsehoods, I just rarely call you out on them (I'm even more generous to Robbie, whose anecdotes and libertarian bombastic bluster is mind-boggling at times, lol).

I showed where the 100 million figure probably came from, even though I wasn't the one who posted the image that provoked the controversy (this time), and I also question the numbers that Stannard came up with (however I do not deny that there was massive abuse and mistreatment of Native Americans by the European settlers, and later the US government, that totally fits the definition of genocide).

I'm curious, where did you get the idea that smallpox was impossible to transmit via blankets, since you stated it unequivocally more than once?

You said if you were wrong you admit it, but if you want to split hairs, your point on smallpox was not "still valid" (as you postulated), since your premise was that it was impossible for Small Pox to spread through blankets.

One more example of how you mislead people, is that you have suggested that I never correct myself when I am in error on GFY. Indeed I have. You even posted before and after me in this same thread:

BTW, I just noticed that I misspelled "Whoops" in that post too...I guess I can pull a Dyna Mo Hmmm, and say that I was still correct, since Whoops is phoneticized as Woops: :winkwink:

http://1.bp.blogspot.com/-pk9_H1U3qe...-excuse-me.jpg

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ADG

it was max 25 total...and 19 of them died from exploding backpacks at airports :2 cents: also you make such a strong point with EUROPEANS killed the 25 terrorist native americans...this completely washes all responsibility form your founding fathers who all had legal visas drawn in the native american embassy in europe...

it was a tourist thing IMO "Come loot and pillage in the Americas! All you can steal for 99cents!"

may I congratulate you on the stupidity of your "EUROPEANS did it"?

ah american history LOL not a single fucking proud moment...

"americans sick of illegals" what advanced sarcasm LOL man the north korea in you guys is sooooo strong :1orglaugh ok no carry on pretending you have the right to moan about illegals LOL its very amusing

ADG, what is it you want from me? I already mentioned to Deltav, I stand corrected on the small pox. If you want me to recollect exactly where I recollect that, that's not possible, I'm too old to pinpoint it. You want me to tell you you're always right? ALways agree with you? Not post my views that may not jibe with your's?

Apologize for something?

Fill me in, I'm open. I've settled my differences with several people on this board and get along with them fine these days and still post my views and they do as well, perhaps you're open to that as well.

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You do realize the FOunding Fathers era was ~1770s right? A full 300 years into this. I also stated Europeans and their descendants, which is accurate/



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Are you not aware of the spanish colonization of America which began in the 1400s?

When did I say I was sick of illegals? or moan about them?

Cocaine is a helluva drug...

denial is so amusing to watch...carry on...

and those same spaniards are illegals now in "your" country even though they got visas (LOL) earlier :1orglaugh

I couldn't care less. And I live in socal! Home to many (most?) illegals.

Where is CyberSEO when we need him?

its really a shame how ignorant some people can be. All our or families immigrated to the US at one point from elsewhere (besides the native Americans who we killed and stole land from). I don't see how other can push that fact out of their mind just to beat there cheats and say GTFO.

actually an America carvery officer did in fact give smallpox infected blankets to the Indians.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Siege_of_Fort_Pitt

On June 29, 1763, a week after the siege began, Bouquet was preparing to lead an expedition to relieve Fort Pitt when he received a letter from Amherst making the following proposal: "Could it not be contrived to Send the Small Pox among those Disaffected Tribes of Indians? We must, on this occasion, Use Every Stratagem in our power to Reduce them."

however germ warfare has always been very poplar since earliest times

On June 29, 1763, a week after the siege began, Bouquet was preparing to lead an expedition to relieve Fort Pitt when he received a letter from Amherst making the following proposal: "Could it not be contrived to Send the Small Pox among those Disaffected Tribes of Indians? We must, on this occasion, Use Every Stratagem in our power to Reduce them."[

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If you feel that strongly about the fact that we stole land from the native Americans then you better start packing. You're on stolen land. How can you sleep at night knowing that fact?

Wars are fought for land as well as other reasons, somebody wins somebody loses. Get over it!

Yes, ADG already pointed out that obscure communication. Again, that doesn't reflect widespread strategy to use smallpox as a weapon and also doesn't matter, there had already been ~300 years of smallpox wiping out Indians prior to that correspondence.

What land did we take? I seem to recall a war being fought and monies being paid. Thats how it works. Somebody wins somebody loses.

more from the wiki page you quoted:

I decided to do a bit of googling on the smallpox as a weapon thing, here's what I've found




Alfred W. Crosby, Ecological Imperialism:
The Biological Expansion ofEurope, 900-1900
(New York, 1986), 345

Bernhard Knollenberg, "General Amherst
and Germ Warfare," Mississippi Valley Historical
Review, 41 (1954-1955), 489-494.

looks like that he engages only in topics that talk about his motherland, Russia.

Hypothetically speaking, lets say you wanted to leave the US and move to another country.

Do you believe you have the right to immigrate to any country in the world whether you meet their requirements or not?