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08-06-2013, 05:54 PM | #1 |
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95 year old war veteran shot by police in a nursing home.
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Family members are questioning the death of a 95-year-old WWII U.S. Air Corps sergeant who killed by cops at an assisted living center last month after resisting medical treatment. John Wrana died from injuries sustained in an incident, which was later ruled as a homicide by the medical examiner, by Park Forest police on July 27. Police were called to Victory Centre, according to the Chicago Tribune, when it was reported by faculty that he was being ?combative,? resisting medical treatment to which he was being ?involuntarily? committed to. It is like police are picked at random..you there..yes you...want a gun laddie? take this badge and this gun...remember you are in charge everywhere you go...go have fun now. |
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He was shot with a beanbag... not a bullet. He was threatening staff with a butcher knife among other things.
Why are facts so irrelevant to so many people here? Why is it so necessary to make every single incident look like something its not?
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He was sitting in his chair...and staff say they did not even see him pick up a knife. How is this looking like it is something that it is not? lol How many brown shirts do you own? |
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08-06-2013, 06:30 PM | #4 | |
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I was a nurse in a former life and I have been attacked by some pretty scary OAPs in my time, including with weapons... It was a beanbag - I can see fighting off an OAP with a beanbag - It even makes sense..... |
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If you read the whole thing, when they shot him he was sitting alone in a room all by himself a threat to no one.
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08-06-2013, 06:47 PM | #7 |
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I'm sure a stern talking would have set him straight. Perhaps a threat of revoking his apple pie dessert rights.
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i can only imagine how brittle this old gent was
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08-06-2013, 06:53 PM | #9 |
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They could have shut the door and came back with apple pie in an hour.
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08-06-2013, 07:07 PM | #11 |
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id be a cop if i can beat and kill people id turn the nice neighborhoods upside down
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How the hell did he get a 12 inch knife in his room? My family owns a nursing home and we'd get violated by inspectors for letting a resident keep a jar of vaseline on their dresser.
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how exactly do you taser and shoot a 95 year old in the stomach, while he is holding a knife? possibly a cane?
he 'dropped the knife'? wtf?
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You don't know what happened - I can see how that shit could happen as I have explained - If you know what happened then lets lynch the policeman...
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Next thing you know they will gun down a cat for purring. Cops are way to young when they graduate... At least that is the problem we have here in Quebec. I do not trust a kid girl or boy in their 20's with guns and bullet proof vest... PERIOD!!!!!
Hell id trust a boyscout before trusting a trigger happy power head in their 20's
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what i DO know, is the videos of nursing home staff abusing and robbing patients.
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Or not getting his nightly sponge bath from nurse Ratched
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08-06-2013, 09:05 PM | #22 |
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Police forces like having stupid people as cops and have even made it policy.
Court OKs Barring High IQs for Cops http://abcnews.go.com/US/court-oks-b...story?id=95836 |
08-06-2013, 09:08 PM | #23 |
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You make it 95 years until that day you run into the wrong cop.
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Poor old codger was starting to lose it.when your that old everything starts breaking down
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A ninety-five year old man threatens people with a cane and then a knife, refuses police orders... And then gets shot with what is expected to be a non lethal round. And the problem is... What?
Um, btw, it seems the man was hit with a stun gun before he was hit with the bean bag...
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beans are deadly maybe he was throwing his shit at them
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at close quaters (like the rooms in nursing homes) a beanbag round from a shotgun could kill a fit, young person, let alone a geriatric in need of care... If he had already been tasered (which is also going too far in my opinion) there would have been no need to shoot him as well. This is a fucking disgusting act by heavy handed cops. I hope they lose their jobs.
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Don't want to be logical or anything, but don't police carry pepper spray?
And having worked at a retirement home, I know many of them have on staff security who are equipped for such things. |
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And although I understand a life of union membership has made you and the rest of the world in your eyes nothing but perpetual victims being perpetually abused and exploited, the simple fact is you know nothing about what happened. Police aren't exactly trained to leave a guy alone in a room that has been threatening the lives of others. If you had all the facts that made it out to be that the guy who was shot was trying to murder everyone and had a hostage, you still wouldn't care because in your unionized mind, he can only be a victim of The Man. Furthermore, you know nothing of the circumstances of which they shot him with a non lethal round. It might have been to stop him from stabbing himself in the throat. There was clearly a lot going on that you know nothing about. I love that you fucking idiots reasoned that the only obvious explanation is that police showed up to murder a 95 year old guy in front of the staff... and that there really are no other plausible explanations.
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waiting for baddog to defend cops who kill a 95 year old man in a chair at a nursing home...
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how fucked up - any adult human being should have the right to refuse medical treatment.
those homes are so depressing, death is a very understandable choice when you're ancient and one of those homes is your only option.
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http://articles.chicagotribune.com/2...t-police-taser from the article And after doing some digging, I found there are two versions of events: The police version, and a new picture that raises questions of whether John Wrana was killed unnecessarily. The Park Forest police version is that on the night of July 26, John Wrana, a resident of the Victory Centre senior living facility, threatened staff and paramedics with a 2-foot-long metal shoehorn and a metal cane. The police statement neglects to mention that the old man also used a walker, at least according to photographs supplied by Grapsas. "Attempts were made verbally to have the resident comply with demands to drop the articles, to no avail," the police statement reads. "The resident then armed himself with a 12-inch butcher type kitchen knife." But lawyer Grapsas says that Wrana's family never saw a knife in his room and that staff also told him Wrana didn't have such a knife. "So where did the knife come from?" Grapsas asked. The police statement leaves the impression that the staff was under threat, leaving police with no choice other than to shoot him. But according to Maria Oliva, an executive with Pathway Senior Living, the staff was kept out of the room after police arrived. So there was no imminent threat to staff. "The staff was not inside once the police were on the scene," Oliva told us. "At different times the staff were in there, but not when they were called. They (the police) were in charge at that point." Police said there had been threats made against the staff. But Grapsas said he was told that staff begged to be allowed to try to calm down the old man. "If there were threats to the staff, why did the staff want to intervene and say, 'Let us handle this; we'll get him calmed down'?" he asked. |
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Police tried to use non lethal force on the man, end of story.
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left? they were forced out, and then the door was barred.
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was the cops name billy?
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There's little doubt that the truth is somewhere in the middle of "the police wouldn't have done it unless he was a threat" and "he was sitting quietly and no threat to anyone."
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