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LiveDose 02-26-2003 03:35 PM

HOMEGROWNVIDEO :thumbsup


I hope some extremely bad things happen to the people who operate acacia. They are true snakes and scum.

TheJimmy 02-26-2003 03:55 PM

in the words of Jay & Silent Bob


"FUCK THEM IN THEIR STUPID ASSES!"

Juggernaut 02-26-2003 04:11 PM

The reason why the bigger companies like Microsoft, Apple & Real (to name a few) haven't done anything, is because they know these complaints made by Acacia; really have no legal standing.

One thing you should know is that Acacia makes money on simply buying patents on already existing technologies, for nothing more than profit. This is a perfect time for the government to crack down on companies that exist in this way.

"Software patents pose a significant danger to protocols. In some cases patents become included in protocols by accident - that is, without deliberate intentionality on the part of the protocol developer. In other cases, however, an unscrupulous company or organization may deliberately introduce patented components into a protocol, in an attempt to gain market advantage via ownership of the protocol."

"In order for the protocol to play this role, anyone who wishes to implement and use it must be able to do so freely, and without restrictions. The presence of patented components within the protocol places restrictions on its usage, and therefore serves only to undermine this purpose. Furthermore, the presence of the patent brings an enormously unfair market advantage to the patent holder. By exercising his patent rights, the patent holder can gain financial benefit from competing companies who wish to use the protocol, or can stifle competition altogether by denying the competing company the right to use the protocol at all. "

"Patents are applied to software, not to protocols. It is not possible to patent a protocol; in general only a process or an algorithm can be patented. However, a protocol may include a patented algorithm as an integral part of its specification. In this case, any software implementation of the protocol requires the use of patented software. That is, a patented algorithm is an inherent part of the protocol."

http://www.freeprotocols.org/

In a time when corporate integrity has been questioned on every level, you have to know that the right thing will happen. I say, once this thing gets put behind us, we should boycott any business with companies that have already bent over to the ludicrous claims made my Acacia and other such profiteers.

Far-L 02-26-2003 04:36 PM

Huge thanks for all the support!

Right now, Homegrown and VS Media and a few other excellent companies have come together and retained the best patent firm in the country.

We have spent some serious cash on generating research on the prior art and we are ready to fight!!!

I know some companies have already been served and if you have received the package from them too then count on the service to follow. Don't think you are untouchable or that this is not for real because that can hurt you in the long run more than help.

If you want info about our efforts and wish to join us against this intrusion that would be devastating to the entire online industry, not just adult, then please call my cell 206-391-6509 (Farrell, aka Far-L)

homegrownmof 02-26-2003 04:53 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by Far-L
Huge thanks for all the support!

Right now, Homegrown and VS Media and a few other excellent companies have come together and retained the best patent firm in the country.

We have spent some serious cash on generating research on the prior art and we are ready to fight!!!


Let us not forget VideoSecrets and their efforts in spearheading this. Support them for supporting you!

Tipsy 02-26-2003 04:53 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by Juggernaut
The reason why the bigger companies like Microsoft, Apple & Real (to name a few) haven't done anything, is because they know these complaints made by Acacia; really have no legal standing.
I'd disagree and say it's simply because at this stage it would mean supporting a porn company. A company like Microsoft simply wont do that another reason they went after porn first.

BTW - I'll happily donate too when set up. If all the people pushing programs donated just 50 bucks it'd be a lot of money. There's a shitload of peaople pushing porn out there now and it potentially affects them all.

matrixcontent 02-26-2003 05:08 PM

We have been served as well. We will fight it to the end!!:BangBang:

twistyneck 02-26-2003 05:12 PM

I'll chip in too. Fuck these bastards.

horns 02-26-2003 05:35 PM

homegrown - I own acaciasucks.com if you guys want it.

Scootermuze 02-26-2003 05:41 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by Tipsy


I'd disagree and say it's simply because at this stage it would mean supporting a porn company. A company like Microsoft simply wont do that another reason they went after porn first.

They went after porn first because there was less of a fear of social support.. and.. by going after the smaller companies, they stand a better chance of winning due to lack of funds by the smaller companies to fight it right.. This would mean multiple wins for Acacia, which is a definite plus for their side when they do go after the big boys..

If they went against the boys now, it would be with no 'win' history. They know they could lose because the biggies have the bucks to go on and on..

As far as Microsoft and support for porn.. They love the existence of porn right now because they can watch & see what happens with the courts, which will let them know what they need to do.. if anything. You can bet they're watching what's happenin..

If they were smart, they'd throw a few million bucks toward our fight to prevent it from even getting as far as them.

jhen 02-26-2003 05:53 PM

There was meeting some months back where in the room were some named in this thread and more. The unity to fight this is what willultimately allow the plantiff to crumble. The fighting spirit in that room that day was truly something to marvel.

Good Luck and God speed

nevermind 02-26-2003 06:12 PM

This section of the article is particularly interesting. Looks like they've lost their previous court cases:

"DMT isn't the only technology by which Acacia has stepped toward what its critics call "profit by litigation." The company also acquired the V-Chip technology when it bought out SoundView Technologies. Almost immediately, Acacia launched similar patent-infringement claims involving the V-Chip, according to the Orange County Register. Those claims led to more than a dozen television manufacturers paying the one-time licensing fee, filling Acacia?s coffers with some $24.1 million in 2001 revenues, the Register said - a whopping jump from $100,000 in revenue the year before.

Other television manufacturers went to court - and Acacia lost. The Register said in December that the company is working an antitrust case claiming the winning manufacturers "colluded" to duck V-Chip licensing fees."

Snake Doctor 02-26-2003 06:35 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by clickpimp
Acacia is also taking on Global Reach as one of the first named companies. This will be an interesting scuffle. GR is no stranger to patent fights.
According to the AVN article, Global Reach is one of the companies that settled and entered into a licensing agreement with Acacia. :(

Far-L 02-26-2003 09:25 PM

Proud to say that Matrix has stepped up to fight this with us.

Many thanks to those who will help with donations because I know this fight will be expensive... but much more so of course if Acacia prevails!

At the risk of cheesy spam, but with due sincerity under the circumstances, supporting any of the companies in the new defense organization by being a customer or becoming one is greatly appreciated. These companies are protecting all of you from having to pay as well. Remember, Acacia wants our customer lists so they can charge you a licensing fee too!!!

If you want to support the content companies that do license to Acacia, then please don't be surprised when you get a little package that spells out what you are supposed to pay a company called Acacia.

I will make sure to announce each and every company that is spending their hard earned money to defend all of us in this matter and I am always available if anyone has questions about becoming part of the solution here. (Farrell 206-391-6509)


:warning :BangBang: :thumbsup

Matt_WildCash 02-26-2003 10:02 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by Homegrownvideo
Well, Acacia is also naming us, Homegrownvideo.com in their lawsuit.

http://www.avn.com/articles/11795.html

That was a serious statement made by Spike here. We are going to spend a lot of money, and time on this. Because we were one of the first 39 companies contacted by Acacia, we are hoping we can be the first to to court, and WIN the lawsuit, setting the standard for every court to follow.

It's not my place to post any information on what we are doing, but I did want to let everyone know that we are fighting.

Has anyone else been named in this suit yet?

Good on you man, I have a lot of respect for your company if your willing to put yourself and your money on the line for setting such a large standard for the rest of us. We should all support Homegrownvideo.

Give them hell!

Mutt 02-26-2003 10:06 PM

They name the 8 adult companies who have agreed to pay their licensing fees.

Man it seems such a waste of alot of money that each company will have to fight the same lawsuit on its own. Once one suit is underway can't a lawyer go to a judge and ask him to delay a case until the first case is concluded? Seems practical to me, save the taxpayer money and resources too.

How will the fund to help raise money for legal defense be set up? Like if Homegrown is fighting in California, at the same time Lightspeed could be fighting the same suit in Arizona. So who gets the money from the fund to help pay legal costs?

Read the article, look how much they want those greedy parasites - not just a simple licensing fee of say $2500 or even $25,000 a year - they want a percentage of GROSS revenues - in this business that would be insane, not even worth being in business if Acacia was allowed a % of gross sales.

good luck Homegrowners

:thumbsup

FlyingIguana 02-26-2003 10:13 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by Homegrownvideo
Well, Acacia is also naming us, Homegrownvideo.com in their lawsuit.

http://www.avn.com/articles/11795.html

That was a serious statement made by Spike here. We are going to spend a lot of money, and time on this. Because we were one of the first 39 companies contacted by Acacia, we are hoping we can be the first to to court, and WIN the lawsuit, setting the standard for every court to follow.

It's not my place to post any information on what we are doing, but I did want to let everyone know that we are fighting.

Has anyone else been named in this suit yet?

hopefully some of the larger sites on the net back you. we need to beat these fuckers because once they get a judgement going their way, the shit will hit the fan and it won't be pretty.

FlyingIguana 02-26-2003 10:24 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by m0rph3us
haha 2% year right. Let's see them try to get 2% of ARS or 2% of TimeWarner or Microsoft. LOL :321GFY
if they went after microsoft, bill gates would probably just buy out the company.

FlyingIguana 02-26-2003 10:32 PM

can someone fill me in on what exactly their patents include? they say there's alternative technologies that sites can use. what would these be?

Hooper 02-26-2003 10:43 PM

who the hell is global reach? just need to make sure we're not inadvertently sending them traffic, money, etc..etc..

any idea who they do business as?

Brujah 02-26-2003 10:47 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by Hooper
who the hell is global reach? just need to make sure we're not inadvertently sending them traffic, money, etc..etc..

any idea who they do business as?

xxx.com

picindex 02-26-2003 10:59 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by Brujah


xxx.com

diff from the last tiem I saw it...

what else do they run?

Brujah 02-26-2003 11:00 PM

freehost.xxx.com I think and rankhigh.com ?

Brujah 02-26-2003 11:17 PM

www.xpleasures.com

BigFish 02-27-2003 01:27 AM

Maybe you should keep an eye out on how this case goes: http://reuters.com/financeNewsArticl...toryID=2295555

Far-L 02-27-2003 01:49 AM

Everyone will have to come to California to fight it unless they want to spend heavily to bring it local. The idea of the group is to share the burden of the defense as much as possible.

I am not an attorney and cannot speculate on what the court will do but I do know that big stupid cases that clog the courts have a tendency to piss off judges who would rather not waste time either. The court in Orange County, so I have heard, is already overwhelmed with cases and tries hard to achieve time saving strategies. Maybe there will be a stay on the other cases, I hope, but I don't know for sure.

We hope that Lightspeed will join us. I don't think any company would want to take something like this on alone. Conservative estimates for fighting all the way through on this run in the millions.

:helpme


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