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that's what i meant, crew, you'd run out of models if that was a requirement on them.

Either a choice or mental illness.

it sound like you're describing the weed equivalent of 'non-potable substances'

you would probably fine the same results with 'do-it-yourself pharmacy'

the weed addicts you know might just be assholes with weed having nothing to do with it...

the interesting thing about weed is that i think it can cause similiar habits as smoking ciggs, the hand to mouth, etc. if a stoner is smoking a lot, joints in part., i bet those sorts of addictions can manifest themselves so a stoner would be looking to fix the addiction of having something between their fingers and putting it to their mouth, a well known physical addiction

Well.. thanks? but.. I've been here all along :)

Anything a person chooses to do is a choice.
Even if there are genes that predispose certain traits in humans, things like wanting some dope or alcohol can be overcome by the mind. Weakness in any form can be overcome by training.

You will never convince me that something someone willingly chooses to do is a disease.

Of course once a person is addicted to something it does have very real physical aspects to overcome as well as the mental.

I personally chose to never do too much of anything or for too long so I'd never have to fight to quit. Personal choice for me.

Well that bolded part is the point, no? Obviously you always have a 100% clear choice while not an addict, but like the boiling frog analogy, once you cross that invisible line, or end up on the other colour of the gradient, that rational choice isn't there any longer. It's only once you get clean that your rational mind & thought processes return.

That's how it was for me anyway, obviously I can't speak for anyone else. Sitting here clear-headed, sober, and rational, just like I was before alcoholism got a grip on me, I'm baffled as to how I 'let myself' get in that situation. It makes *zero* sense, none whatsoever.

I really do understand how someone who has never been an addict can't comprehend that it's most definitely an illness, both mental & physical (in my case, anyway). What does piss me off is the dismissiveness of it by those who have never experienced it. Weakness my ass, I spent 20 years trying to control my drinking, any other cunt would have given up trying to control it years ago - carrying on fighting it is the total opposite of weakness. And that's without even getting into how it isn't a case of whether a person is being weak-willed or not, in the first place.

i just wonder what makes people do despite knowing full well the dangers of doing so. drinking is a tricky thing, its hard to completely avoid. you can have a few drinks with friends and be done with it but for others, its not that easy. when it comes to drugs it much easier to completely avoid because its not a legal socially encouraged thing to do. i have never touched anything harder than weed or mushrooms simply because i know the dangers that come with going any further. i've seen too many lose everything and still not be able to smarten up.

I'm not sure mate, mine was drinking, and no-one but no-one warns you when you start drinking that there's a possibility you'll end up an alcoholic. It's encouraged in our culture to drink, so if you are one of the ones who *do* have a problem with it, you don't know until you have it, and are fucked, so it's very much a catch-22 situation.

I've done weed, dope, pills, powder during my youth (pretty intensive 18 months lol) but yeah, never even thought about doing crack or heroin, because I'd heard they were so addictive. I can only speak on the alcohol side of things with any experience.

its all about self control and self discipline.

this skill set may however come from:
1. genetics
2. learning/root ie parenting

so in a sense, we are all addicted to these things the only thing preventing us from indulging is the 2 above skills.
those who master those 2 skills also do better in school, business and life in general.
the will to overcome temptations is alpha omega.

All due respect, it's not about smartening up - people who have lost everything and are still doing their drug of choice are not in a rational state of mind, so cannot make a 'smart' decision when it comes to their addiction.

They can't - or rather won't, stop until they've taken enough pain, or die.

And that's the mindset of non-addicts which is why so many who would desperately like to ask for help, don't. Its has fuck all to do with self control/discipline by the very fact it's a fucking addiction lol. Jesus christ :1orglaugh

and lofl at the high horse 'better in life in general' horseshit, oh please....

very amusing, reading the comments from non-addicts about addiction.

main problem is that one cannot know if they become addicted until its too late. majority of people experiment & never get addicted. then come here & make retard comments applying their experience to all people.

but the people who are addicts, have lots in common besides doing drugs . obsession, self centeredness, sacrifice a normal life to accomplish a singular behavior.

there are certainly people who are addicts but never did drugs & sometimes they are addicts to things society deems glamorous, like being a great actor or entreprenuer. Schwarenegger & Jobs were unquestionably addicts. Its called work a holic.

& theres no doubt there is a gene for it. & even when the drugs are gone, addicts still have to deal with compulsions & ego in ways non addicts have no clue.

rarely irl are things black& white

it's not addicts and non-addicts. there's a huge middle ground here and i think it's entirely relatable to many people.

that's right it's always the guns fault and NEVWER the weeds fault :thumbsup

an addict is an addict to me and weed = any other bullshit drug to me :2 cents:

the easiest person to lie too is yourself in most cases and people have different concepts of danger and ego :2 cents:

yes I agree, I never ever liked booze in any form yet drank because I wanted to fit in, be cool, get pussy etc... I am a total black out drinker... 1 or 2 drinks and it's on... no control at all...

what is life like not consuming sugar?

yeah, bad choice of words.

i don;t have a problem with it. :1orglaugh:1orglaugh:1orglaugh

Some people are clearly more prone to addiction than others.

A buddy of mine will go through a pack and a half of cigarettes during a single night out drinking and then not light up again for a week or more. He's been like that for over 20 years.

If I had to guess, I'd say it has more to do with internal body chemistry than anything else.

Once you are fully addicted, yes then what i mention makes little sense.
But those with stronger mindsets are better able to deflect the urge and direct the energy in a different direction.
If you are addicted, by all means ask for help.

Personally I battle urge to drink and smoke cigars, not on a daily basis but once you give in then next thing you know it is every night and then more and more..
People use coping as an excuse, i dont believe it for one second.
We just like to feel good, drugs makes us feel good - for a while.

I have no problem with weed, as long as people use it for:
1. medical issues
2. recreational use - meaning once every other week or less to really have an interesting experience, not just another round of brainless stupidity.

Unless you are watching from the outside. Some people have secret coke and heroin habits but you can spot a stoner a mile off every time.

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i'm loling because of how stupid this is, not because of how funny it is.

I'm so glad to have a secret heroin and coke addiction cause I sure wouldn't want to look like a stoner