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JP-pornshooter 06-21-2013 10:05 AM

its all about self control and self discipline.

this skill set may however come from:
1. genetics
2. learning/root ie parenting

so in a sense, we are all addicted to these things the only thing preventing us from indulging is the 2 above skills.
those who master those 2 skills also do better in school, business and life in general.
the will to overcome temptations is alpha omega.

Jel 06-21-2013 10:08 AM

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Originally Posted by BlackCrayon (Post 19680935)
i've seen too many lose everything and still not be able to smarten up.

All due respect, it's not about smartening up - people who have lost everything and are still doing their drug of choice are not in a rational state of mind, so cannot make a 'smart' decision when it comes to their addiction.

They can't - or rather won't, stop until they've taken enough pain, or die.

Jel 06-21-2013 10:11 AM

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Originally Posted by JP-pornshooter (Post 19680951)
its all about self control and self discipline.

this skill set may however come from:
1. genetics
2. learning/root ie parenting

so in a sense, we are all addicted to these things the only thing preventing us from indulging is the 2 above skills.
those who master those 2 skills also do better in school, business and life in general.
the will to overcome temptations is alpha omega.

And that's the mindset of non-addicts which is why so many who would desperately like to ask for help, don't. Its has fuck all to do with self control/discipline by the very fact it's a fucking addiction lol. Jesus christ :1orglaugh

and lofl at the high horse 'better in life in general' horseshit, oh please....

Joshua G 06-21-2013 10:18 AM

very amusing, reading the comments from non-addicts about addiction.

main problem is that one cannot know if they become addicted until its too late. majority of people experiment & never get addicted. then come here & make retard comments applying their experience to all people.

but the people who are addicts, have lots in common besides doing drugs . obsession, self centeredness, sacrifice a normal life to accomplish a singular behavior.

there are certainly people who are addicts but never did drugs & sometimes they are addicts to things society deems glamorous, like being a great actor or entreprenuer. Schwarenegger & Jobs were unquestionably addicts. Its called work a holic.

& theres no doubt there is a gene for it. & even when the drugs are gone, addicts still have to deal with compulsions & ego in ways non addicts have no clue.

dyna mo 06-21-2013 10:21 AM

rarely irl are things black& white

it's not addicts and non-addicts. there's a huge middle ground here and i think it's entirely relatable to many people.

Grapesoda 06-21-2013 10:21 AM

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Originally Posted by arock10 (Post 19680827)
the weed addicts you know might just be assholes with weed having nothing to do with it...

that's right it's always the guns fault and NEVWER the weeds fault :thumbsup

Grapesoda 06-21-2013 10:22 AM

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Originally Posted by _Richard_ (Post 19680767)
it sound like you're describing the weed equivalent of 'non-potable substances'

you would probably fine the same results with 'do-it-yourself pharmacy'

an addict is an addict to me and weed = any other bullshit drug to me :2 cents:

Grapesoda 06-21-2013 10:25 AM

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Originally Posted by BlackCrayon (Post 19680935)
i just wonder what makes people do despite knowing full well the dangers of doing so. drinking is a tricky thing, its hard to completely avoid. you can have a few drinks with friends and be done with it but for others, its not that easy. when it comes to drugs it much easier to completely avoid because its not a legal socially encouraged thing to do. i have never touched anything harder than weed or mushrooms simply because i know the dangers that come with going any further. i've seen too many lose everything and still not be able to smarten up.

the easiest person to lie too is yourself in most cases and people have different concepts of danger and ego :2 cents:

Grapesoda 06-21-2013 10:27 AM

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Originally Posted by Jel (Post 19680947)
. It's encouraged in our culture to drink, .



yes I agree, I never ever liked booze in any form yet drank because I wanted to fit in, be cool, get pussy etc... I am a total black out drinker... 1 or 2 drinks and it's on... no control at all...

_Richard_ 06-21-2013 10:28 AM

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Originally Posted by Grapesoda (Post 19680989)
an addict is an addict to me and weed = any other bullshit drug to me :2 cents:

what is life like not consuming sugar?

BlackCrayon 06-21-2013 10:30 AM

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Originally Posted by Jel (Post 19680957)
All due respect, it's not about smartening up - people who have lost everything and are still doing their drug of choice are not in a rational state of mind, so cannot make a 'smart' decision when it comes to their addiction.

They can't - or rather won't, stop until they've taken enough pain, or die.

yeah, bad choice of words.

dyna mo 06-21-2013 10:31 AM

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Originally Posted by _Richard_ (Post 19681001)
what is life like not consuming sugar?

i don;t have a problem with it. :1orglaugh:1orglaugh:1orglaugh

GregE 06-21-2013 10:38 AM

Some people are clearly more prone to addiction than others.

A buddy of mine will go through a pack and a half of cigarettes during a single night out drinking and then not light up again for a week or more. He's been like that for over 20 years.

If I had to guess, I'd say it has more to do with internal body chemistry than anything else.

JP-pornshooter 06-21-2013 11:05 AM

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Originally Posted by Jel (Post 19680960)
And that's the mindset of non-addicts which is why so many who would desperately like to ask for help, don't. Its has fuck all to do with self control/discipline by the very fact it's a fucking addiction lol. Jesus christ :1orglaugh

and lofl at the high horse 'better in life in general' horseshit, oh please....

Once you are fully addicted, yes then what i mention makes little sense.
But those with stronger mindsets are better able to deflect the urge and direct the energy in a different direction.
If you are addicted, by all means ask for help.

Personally I battle urge to drink and smoke cigars, not on a daily basis but once you give in then next thing you know it is every night and then more and more..
People use coping as an excuse, i dont believe it for one second.
We just like to feel good, drugs makes us feel good - for a while.

I have no problem with weed, as long as people use it for:
1. medical issues
2. recreational use - meaning once every other week or less to really have an interesting experience, not just another round of brainless stupidity.

SGS 06-21-2013 11:25 AM

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Originally Posted by Grapesoda (Post 19680588)
IMO weed is the very worst offender because it doesn't really fuck your life up enough to notice that you need to change ...

Unless you are watching from the outside. Some people have secret coke and heroin habits but you can spot a stoner a mile off every time.

_Richard_ 06-21-2013 11:32 AM

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Originally Posted by SGS (Post 19681117)
Unless you are watching from the outside. Some people have secret coke and heroin habits but you can spot a stoner a mile off every time.

:1orglaugh:1orglaugh

dyna mo 06-21-2013 11:38 AM

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Originally Posted by SGS (Post 19681117)
Unless you are watching from the outside. Some people have secret coke and heroin habits but you can spot a stoner a mile off every time.

:1orglaugh:1orglaugh

i'm loling because of how stupid this is, not because of how funny it is.

arock10 06-21-2013 11:49 AM

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Originally Posted by SGS (Post 19681117)
Unless you are watching from the outside. Some people have secret coke and heroin habits but you can spot a stoner a mile off every time.

I'm so glad to have a secret heroin and coke addiction cause I sure wouldn't want to look like a stoner


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