I've Decided: Porn Is NOT Dead

[The Porn Nerd]

We're coming up on just my fourth year in business as "Mister Peabody World" so I feel like I can say with a certain amount of certainty that porn, or the adult industry if you will, is not "dead". It's not even dying. In fact, I'll go so far as to say it's motherfucking FLOURISHING.

I've been a member of GFY for a few years now and have read most of the threads saying our industry is dying or already dead. Adpat or die, the tubes are killing us, free porn is everywhere, etc etc. But I can honestly say what's really happening is not "porn is dead/dying" but rather this truth:

DIFFERANT PEOPLE ARE PROFITING FROM PORN TODAY THAN WERE TEN YEARS AGO.

Once the Internet took hold everything changed. Deep statement huh? I know - but it's true. I don't want to sound like the ubiquitous Paul Markham here but before the Web a handful of companies 'controlled" the filming and distribution of porn. Even when the Net started to become a daily addiction for the masses a few old school visionaries jumped on board and got a head start on what would happen next:

Amateur porn. Yup, that's what did it. Suddenly anyone with access to a cheap video camera and a USB port could suddenly film their own porn and sell it on the Internet. So porn went from "pornstars" to "everyone's a star!" a la American idol.

Meanwhile, the tubes said 'fuck it' and went on a 'user-uploaded' rampage. the Web was flooded with oodles of free porn and the DMCA merry-go-round started, leaving established internet companies scrambling.....

Okay great - but how is any of this "flourishing"? Think about it: more people go on the Internet daily. Millions upon millions of people visit the PornHubs and YouPorns of the world. MANY of them buy SOMEthing while many do not. But we're talking MILLIONS of people here, every damn day...

Today we have cams making millions, and dating making millions, and traffic being sold in the millions, ad buys totaling (as an industry) in the millions, and clip store filled with amateur producers making a decent living, hundreds of thousands of paysites, billing companies pack the trade shows (they must be processing millions), blogs galore, video on demand, mobile porn, DVDs are still being filmed....

No, porn is not dead or dying. More and differant people are profiting from it. For those in this industry going on ten years or longer it must FEEL like times are worse and I'm sure they are for these people. But ask someone who's making a living via porn on the Internet in 2012 when they were struggling doing something else a few years ago (like myself). For these people a clip store or a paysite could be a Godsend. Now times these small-time producers/webmasters by hundreds of thousands and that's where "the good times" went.

So what's a porn man (or woman) to do? Grab what you can with both hands and adjust your expectations. Porn is still a great way to make a living or some side income. Maybe the dream of being a Hugh Hefner or a Shap is over with (and I'm not convinced they're not the same person), just like a rock band shouldn't dream of becoming another Stones cause that will never happen again either.

So stay encouraged my online friends!
Porn is NOT dead. Long live porn!

[2012]

Porn is hotter than ever. Paying for it is dead ...

[BAKO]

U made a sale today lol

[2012]

[Markul]

[bigslim]

i make sales all day long, porn isnt dead its different from what it was before

[signupdamnit]

A little over a decade ago as a punk kid making five page AVS sites for three hours a week I probably made more than your average CCBill sponsor does today. That should say it all but if it doesn't you only need look at all the people selling or all the sites folding. You can still make money but hour for hour of your time on average most are making a tenth of what they did in 2002.

Good for you for being satisfied and optimistic though. I don't mean to discourage you. But what is true, is true.

[savy]

Well, since you can find a lot of "hot" chicks showing their "muffin" on webcam for free (because let's be honest, hormones are faster than neurons), pr0n has taken another direction.

Just my 1cent

[40obfam]

[2012]

First, there's denial.
Followed by anger.
Then comes bargaining, depression, and acceptance.
Then you skim the last drop, and you are free.( not saying YOU do that )

[Penny24Seven]

compared to 10 years ago it seems dead because it is harder to make the same amount doing the same thing, everyone says adapt or die blah blah, I have always had no less then 10 things I did to make money, still that way now but the ten things have all moved up or down the list or are not even on my list anymore. I didn't really adapt I just did what was making me the money money. I still wish it was like ten years ago though lol

[2012]

..............

[Va2k]

Like with everything else, you got to work your ass off to make it, if you can't work and expect today be like 2000 then yea porn is dead for you.. just my two cents.

[TheLegacy]

I've always said porn isn't dead - but the creativity in finding new sources is.

Everyone seemed to copy other successful ol style models so when the templates were broken and a new breed of doing business showed up - few could adapt and survive. Glad someone else has noticed this as well.

[Django]

finally a good news

[pornmasta]

It's so nice to decide...

[RyuLion]

Originally Posted by pornmasta

It's so nice to decide...

[ruff]

Originally Posted by BAKO

U made a sale today lol

What did you do today? Suck off of someone else's hard work? Hey Gay Bako, it's your bitch here! Stupid cocksucker.

[The Porn Nerd]

Originally Posted by BAKO

U made a sale today lol

Today was actually a shitty day for sales. LOL

[AdultKing]

Porn's not dead, file locker owners are making a killing selling your content.

Question is, what you going to do about it ?

[BAKO]

Originally Posted by ruff

What did you do today? Suck off of someone else's hard work? Hey Gay Bako, it's your bitch here! Stupid cocksucker.

U were always a bitch. I just made u mine lately. Backhanded motherfucker

[BAKO]

Hey Ruff how are ur sales today lol

[astronaut x]

Porn is not dead, but it has mostly morphed into a byproduct for other revenue streams.

Obviously there are people still making money off of "porn", but it has definitely become more crystallized on specific niches.

[CurrentlySober]

i like to dress in womens clothing, poo myself, and then go outside to introduce the world at large, and my direct neighbours to alternative stinking...

honesty hurts...

[Paul Markham]

= send us your traffic.

Unless 8 years ago they didn't have a clue.

Before the Internet took off there were 100,000s of shops selling soft to hardcore porn, cable stations in loads of countries and phone sex.

All these markets were limited by quantity. Shops have only so much shelf space, cable had only so many hours, phone sex was controlled by those who could pay a lot for advertising and turn a profit.

Therefore the sellers were focused on one thing, sales. They couldn't throw crap out or customers wouldn't buy again. Often sales were based on the satisfaction the previous edition had delivered. Brand loyalty was more that it ever was online.

There were lots of amateur productions, less in the US and more in Europe. To think there wasn't is foolish. Homegrown!!!!

The truth is a Private or Wicked STYLE video would out sell a Homegrown STYLE one by a factor of 100s on a world wide basis. Porn shops would not give much shelf space to Lesbian or solo videos, because hardcore out sold it. They would give less shelf space to amateur, because Gonzo and other styles outsold it. Same goes for niches.

A lot of the lesser selling styles and niches were small businesses make a lot of money on mail order and shop sales.

Once the Internet came along, everyone and his brother could grab a camera and shoot. NO CHANGES IN THAT, THEY ALWAYS COULD.

What they couldn't do is get someone to buy it to put on a shelf. The Internet changed that and suddenly everyone could publish and the market didn't grow much. It got shared around more. It's a myth that suddenly people could buy porn when before they couldn't. Even today most sales come from countries that have offline porn, even though it's hanging on.

There are very few in offline porn who earned more with the coming of the Internet. ME FOR INSTANCE.

Hope this put you all straight, I'm off to wash the dog.

[Kolargol]

Originally Posted by Paul Markham

Before the Internet took off ...

here we go again

[Paul Markham]

Originally Posted by Kolargol

here we go again

Of course for guys like you it was great. But if you want to give your side, we're all here.

[The Porn Nerd]

The funny thing about the Internet "saving porn" is that now it's "killing porn" in a way, forcing businesses to diversify.

[TheSquealer]

It's quite simple really. Read tech news from 1999 or 2001 or 2005 or 2010. Read about all the hot companies that are providing a great service, that are going to change the world... that are going to impact our daily lives in ways we never imagined. How many online grocery delivery services popped up? Anyone remember that company with the big peach or orange or whatever on the side of the van? Where are they all now? Dead. Dead because they never understood the internet and how people would use it and what its true role would be in peoples lives.

This is a highly fluid and dynamic business environment. New up and comers continually enter the market, competition changes daily, search engines update and change almost daily, user/surfer trends/behaviors constantly change etc etc. You are always only as good as your traffic TODAY. Very very very very very very few can thrive over time because this is a business that attracts dysfunctional idiots. Where are the CEN's, ARS's or Maxcash's (and all the others) of 12 years ago? All but gone. Each company (most of the early big players) was running a shitty cluster of cookie cutter sites, ran by people who thought it would last forever and couldn't stop patting each other on the backs. Where are people like D$, the "consultant" who's never ran a paysite or managed traffic but charged people big money to tell them how to? Was pretty easy to make money years back.

I've never blamed anything or anyone for failure but myself. I guess thats why i see things differently. You can't change everything around you. You can change others. You can't change the market and the direction its heading. You can't change how people use the internet and how rapidly that continues to change.

Adapt or die, is a stupid thing to say.

A wise person is not "adapting", "adapting" means you already fell so far behind, that your business is tanking. "adapting" is a term that represents desperation. Steve Jobs/Apple did not "adapt". They understand the market, the users and they delivered what people wanted before they knew they wanted it. No one that is successful is "adapting", they are leading.

People here are still bitching about tubes, file lockers and every other reason they can for their failure. Just last week, people were creating threads on this forum looking for tgps to submit to. Those two sentences sum up most in this business.

Blaming tubes for your failure is like being a farmer and blaming the weather year after year after year after year, . Maybe its time to stop farming or start exploring what you can do to be successful that's less dependent on the weather. Regardless, blame and finger pointing is not going to improve your business.

[AdultKing]

Originally Posted by TheSquealer

People here are still bitching about tubes, file lockers and every other reason they can for their failure. Just last week, people were creating threads on this forum looking for tgps to submit to. Those two sentences sum up most in this business.

I agree with most of what you've said, however I'll say this. I find giving file lockers a hard time jolly good fun.

[TheSquealer]

Originally Posted by AdultKing

I agree with most of what you've said, however I'll say this. I find giving file lockers a hard time jolly good fun.

I agree its a problem. But what so many want to willingly ignore is that these "problems" were always there. There was always stolen content, there was always free content and so on. People used to pay for only pictures because everyone was on dialup. And thats all that was out there... millions of tgp galleries full of free pictures. No one failed when they were selling access to 1,000,000 pics by using 1000s of the same galleries to sell them.

People talk today about "free content" being a problem as if "free content" never existed until recently. It's the height of idiocy in my opinion.

[Paul Markham]

Originally Posted by TheSquealer

I agree its a problem. But what so many want to willingly ignore is that these "problems" were always there. There was always stolen content, there was always free content and so on. People used to pay for only pictures because everyone was on dialup. And thats all that was out there... millions of tgp galleries full of free pictures. No one failed when they were selling access to 1,000,000 pics by using 1000s of the same galleries to sell them.

People talk today about "free content" being a problem as if "free content" never existed until recently. It's the height of idiocy in my opinion.

It's all about volume. Offline the free content was probably 0.05%, not counting shared between friends. Online it could be 99.5%. Don't argue stats as you know my point. The Internet was simply never able to grow the consumer numbers to match the losses.

As online guys were thinking all is fine, offline were suffering. Now there's little offline left to suffer all the pain is for the online side.

No matter how much you adapt, your statement on that is wrong, no one ever adapted to not giving away free porn. They adapted to giving away more free porn. And that is adapting. Everything about business is adapting, even if it's getting better. Or looking fot a cheap shooter in Czech.

[stillsexy]

porn is not dead, but margin is lower than before

[TheSquealer]

Originally Posted by Jesus H Christ

Yawn,.. one day you'll get the totally fucking obvious out of your system.

Says the guy who believes the pentagon launched an impromptu attack on itself on 9/11 to hide some accounting irregularities.

You're sane.

[signupdamnit]

Originally Posted by TheSquealer

People talk today about "free content" being a problem as if "free content" never existed until recently. It's the height of idiocy in my opinion.

But isn't there a big difference between sharing 12 pictures or three 30 second clips 10 seconds of each depicts advertisements for the site and having 20,000 30-50 minute full scenes available for free?

[TheSquealer]

Originally Posted by signupdamnit

But isn't there a big difference between sharing 12 pictures or three 30 second clips 10 seconds of each depicts advertisements for the site and having 20,000 30-50 minute full scenes available for free?

What i am saying is that 1,000,000 things changed besides tube sites coming into being in 1994/5. From every shifting demographics to who's online and their ability and willingness to pay for content - shifting from 90% white, male nerds in 1997 who were starved for porn, to everyone from bad countries to how people even use the internet where at first it was little more than a place to find porn to a place to interact, socialize, manage bills or whatever.

A lot of things changed over the years beyond "free porn". To simply rely on one argument, "free porn" - ignores the fact that in 1998, there was nothing but tgps, listing 1000s of galleries all linking to paysites to buy access to more pics. In other words, it was nothing but "free porn" used to sell more of the exact same, just as with today and if anyone wanted to download more, it was widely available, just as it is today.

People are constantly comparing a young, undeveloped and immature market where demand was stronger than supply and where consumers were very quick to buy to a mature market where consumers are experienced, know exactly what they want and have the expectations of an experienced/informed consumer.

This biz is rife with failure because of the people in it and who they are and their very low competency levels for the most part, not because of the circumstances that they believe "causes" their failure.

[TheSquealer]

Originally Posted by Jesus H Christ

Says a crazy Russian midget who collects pictures of PAul Markham and habitually stalks a guy he's never met. You're just a beacon of fine mental health. So when you left Russia was it because your mom was a mail-order bride or what?

You're every bit as deluded and nuts as Paul is. He remembers me (suddenly remembering after me posting pics I took at a shoot with him).

5'9" and 235 pounds is hardly a "midget".

I'm not mad at you. I honestly feel pity for you.

[2012]

[Paul Markham]

Originally Posted by signupdamnit

But isn't there a big difference between sharing 12 pictures or three 30 second clips 10 seconds of each depicts advertisements for the site and having 20,000 30-50 minute full scenes available for free?

Unless you're buying and selling the traffic from the free porn. We all know for a few there is money some left. Until their business moves to the free side, then without the support of traffic sales, who knows.

Squealer refuses to tell us what he does, draw your own conclusions from that. He says he was in live cams. Maybe he still is. He could well be profiting from free porn.

Originally Posted by Jesus H Christ

Says a crazy Russian midget who collects pictures of PAul Markham and habitually stalks a guy he's never met. You're just a beacon of fine mental health. So when you left Russia was it because your mom was a mail-order bride or what?

I still have no recollection of him. Does anyone else know him or what he does?

[TheSquealer]

Originally Posted by Paul Markham

I still have no recollection of him. Does anyone else know him or what he does?

Really Paul? You've already been busted for lying with pics. Stop being a douche.

[TheSquealer]

Originally Posted by Jesus H Christ

5'9" and 235 pounds is hardly a "midget".- Says who an anon Russian troll? You're nothing more then a blabbering liar who has yet to back anything up. The interesting part on finding out who you are was where you are. A bit deceptive, but it didn't surprise me.

Like I'd give a flying fuck if you felt anything regarding me.

I know you don't care what I feel - but that's your mental illness talking.

[Paul Markham]

Originally Posted by TheSquealer

Really Paul? You've already been busted for lying with pics. Stop being a douche.

You now know if I remember you or not!!!!!

Can you show the pictures again.

What are you doing these days?

[The Porn Nerd]

Marketing is alive and well.

Webmasters must give the surfer a REASON to join regardless of how much free porn is out there.

Hawk better content, more unique stuff.

Etc.

[gabe100]

Peabody and Paul, please step aside.

Jesus, I believe the ball is in your court.

Originally Posted by MisterPeabody

Marketing is alive and well.

Webmasters must give the surfer a REASON to join regardless of how much free porn is out there.

Hawk better content, more unique stuff.

Etc.

[Paul Markham]

Originally Posted by MisterPeabody

Marketing is alive and well.

Webmasters must give the surfer a REASON to join regardless of how much free porn is out there.

Hawk better content, more unique stuff.

Etc.

Which would explain your success, if your sites weren't mostly the same as everyone else and showed surfers what they were getting.

[Django]

Originally Posted by CurrentlySober

i like to dress in womens clothing, poo myself, and then go outside to introduce the world at large, and my direct neighbours to alternative stinking...

honesty hurts...

sounds like a plan

[AsianDivaGirlsWebDude]

ADG

[Paul Markham]

A little gem for those shooting porn.

"Shooting good porn is about getting a model to convince the viewer she is what you say she is and not another paid model."

[Paul Markham]

https://gfy.com/showpost.php?p=19237136&postcount=17

[webgurl]

Glad you came to this conclusion Mister P