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Brujah · 07-28-2012, 11:27 PM

This redneck asshole is going to jail for at least 25 years. He gives gun owners a bad name, and endangers gun rights for everyone.

"Under Florida's 10-20-Life law, a person who uses a Firearm to commit Second Degree Murder must be sentenced to a minimum-mandatory prison sentence of 25 years."

Pornopat · 07-28-2012, 11:39 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by jimmy-3-way

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Castle_doctrine

As far as the crazy old coot was concerned, ignoring multiple, obvious NO TRESPASSING signs was an aggressive act, and in his mind he acted appropriately.

The bottom line here is that while tragic and an obvious over reaction by an unbalanced person, the victim has absolutely no argument: had he not trespassed, ignoring multiple warning's, he'd be alive today and shilling his meat on another block.

Can you dispute that?

I think you are defending the guy not just because you hate salemen as well but because you are a crazy old coot yourself as well.

Just for the sake of argument though and to shut you up (without shooting you) a condition for the Castle Doctrine:

creating a presumption
that a reasonable fear of death or bodily
injury exists under certain circumstances

Upon asking the salesguy replied that he was selling meat and not set out to kill him or hurt him. Even if the salesguy would have replied that he was there to steal Glen Becks Gold from some radioshow there would be no reasonable fear of death or bodily injury.

Brujah · 07-28-2012, 11:49 PM

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Originally Posted by Jesus H Christ

But the liberal media refused to even mention, 3 posted "NO TRESPASSING SIGNS". As fucked up as it may be, and it is, the salesguy obviously made a poor choice.

Link? Just curious which liberal media chooses to omit the No Trespassing signs.

jimmy-3-way · 07-29-2012, 12:43 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Pornopat

I think you are defending the guy not just because you hate salemen as well but because you are a crazy old coot yourself as well.

Just for the sake of argument though and to shut you up (without shooting you) a condition for the Castle Doctrine:

creating a presumption
that a reasonable fear of death or bodily
injury exists under certain circumstances

Upon asking the salesguy replied that he was selling meat and not set out to kill him or hurt him. Even if the salesguy would have replied that he was there to steal Glen Becks Gold from some radioshow there would be no reasonable fear of death or bodily injury.

Best thing ever about GFY - people are too stupid to understand nuanced arguments.

Paul Markham · 07-29-2012, 12:43 AM

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Originally Posted by jimmy-3-way

THIS IS AMERICA!

Everyone can have a gun.

(Except felons.)

I was looking for sensible and logical reasons. Keep the stupid ones to yourself.

kane · 07-29-2012, 12:48 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Jesus H Christ

Look at you two squirming. It's pretty simple to understand and not twisting anything. The salesguy simply refused to acknowledge/respect the homeowners "posted" directions on "his" property. If the salesguy did, he'd be alive today.

But the liberal media refused to even mention, 3 posted "NO TRESPASSING SIGNS". As fucked up as it may be, and it is, the salesguy obviously made a poor choice.

So you think death is an acceptable penalty for ignoring a no trespassing sign?

Paul Markham · 07-29-2012, 12:55 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Jesus H Christ

But the liberal media refused to even mention, 3 posted "NO TRESPASSING SIGNS". As fucked up as it may be, and it is, the salesguy obviously made a poor choice.

And these guys with their guns are the ones we have to protect us from the "Government". Too stupid to even contemplate.

So what should be the penalty for posting porn. Hung, drawn and quartered?

jimmy-3-way · 07-29-2012, 01:23 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Paul Markham

I was looking for sensible and logical reasons. Keep the stupid ones to yourself.

Since you need to have me read you the fine print:

America was founded through revolution, thus the right to bear arms is enshrined in our constitution. In the same way that we do not eliminate free speech because crazy people say crazy things, we do not eliminate the right to bear arms because crazy people shoot people.

America is an armed nation by design. This is who we are. We are fat, ignorant, and well armed. Because of this we invented the muscle car, the double double and the Colt 1911. While you can argue that this is an antiquated notion, Britain still has a queen, Spain has a king, Canada has mounties and Tibet has a Dali Lama so suck it.

adultchatpay · 07-29-2012, 02:04 AM

Lesson learned - never sell steak and seafood to a crazy guy.

Kolargol · 07-29-2012, 02:35 AM

Do some of you really think that it's ok to kill someone for trespassing?

Paul Markham · 07-29-2012, 02:41 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by jimmy-3-way

Since you need to have me read you the fine print:

America was founded through revolution, thus the right to bear arms is enshrined in our constitution. In the same way that we do not eliminate free speech because crazy people say crazy things, we do not eliminate the right to bear arms because crazy people shoot people.

America is an armed nation by design. This is who we are. We are fat, ignorant, and well armed. Because of this we invented the muscle car, the double double and the Colt 1911. While you can argue that this is an antiquated notion, Britain still has a queen, Spain has a king, Canada has mounties and Tibet has a Dali Lama so suck it.

It's not an out dated ideal. It's a stupid one. Because the people with the uncontrolled guns are the scariest.

Its' not the Elite or Government that scares people with a logical brain. It's guys like this crazy or all the other crazies they should be scared of. The Elite you're supposed to be scared of have owned your ass for at least the last 40 years. You've been in a race to acquire as much debt as you can to acquire the illusion of wealth.

In truth today the Elite own your asses far more than the British did in the 18th Century. You work non stop to acquire goods they sell to you. You obey their laws, fight their wars and do as you're told.

No one is saying eliminate arms. Millions of Americans have them and as you say do fuck all with them. They are nice loyal sheople sucking up what ever the Government dishes out to them. If you think the spirit of 1775 is still alive you're so out of touch it's sad.

People are saying don't let crazy fucks like this have one. Don't let people with a tendency to shoot someone walking on his front path have one. Roopp will now spend the rest of his life in prison, unless he gets a jury crazy as he is to swallow the defence's argument that he was in fear of his life. He's as much a victim as the rest involved.

America has had this crazy culture for a long time. With home grown terrorist and these type of shooting where people for some crazy reason think a gun will cure the problem or win a point. When the real spirit required is that of the 50s and 60s. Embodied by men like Martin Luther King and the Anti Vietnam War Movement.

Then the people took on the Government and Elite and changed the course of America for the better. Pity it's all gone now. Occupy Wall Street is the best you can must in the 21st Century and that speaks for itself. All without the need for a single gun.

Paul Markham · 07-29-2012, 06:05 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Jesus H Christ

No, not at all. What I am saying is two things. First, the salesguy couldn't control the outcome, but could of prevented his death by following simple instructions. Second, his "deliberate" poor choice IS what caused his death. Meaning, the salesguy took the "risk" of ignoring the signs in hopes it would lead to more profit.

So acceptable anything is actually immaterial because by then he was already dead.

Seems it goes further than trespassing. Make a mistake and you can get shot. Hope you don't make any JHC.

My problem with the law on guns is it has led to a time when the US has the highest murder rate of any Western Country. And the reason is an outdated stupid culture that has no place in a modern society. The thinking that these arms are the American's people safeguard against their liberty being taken from them is so insane it doesn't need to be debated.

Best-In-BC · 07-29-2012, 06:14 AM

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Originally Posted by brassmonkey

what i don't get is these assholes making laws to punish everyone. I don't see a solution for people just snapping. no record off the radar. I think we're coming to a test in the government concerning our rights. it could possibly get violent.

Thank you!

Best-In-BC · 07-29-2012, 06:15 AM

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Originally Posted by Paul Markham

Seems it goes further than trespassing. Make a mistake and you can get shot. Hope you don't make any JHC.

My problem with the law on guns is it has led to a time when the US has the highest murder rate of any Western Country. And the reason is an outdated stupid culture that has no place in a modern society. The thinking that these arms are the American's people safeguard against their liberty being taken from them is so insane it doesn't need to be debated.

Yes, but the murder rate has more to do with illegal guns than anything, no laws or regs will change that

SuckOnThis · 07-29-2012, 07:05 AM

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Originally Posted by Best-In-BC

Yes, but the murder rate has more to do with illegal guns than anything, no laws or regs will change that

All illegal guns were legal at one point.

tony286 · 07-29-2012, 07:14 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Jesus H Christ

Look at you two squirming. It's pretty simple to understand and not twisting anything. The salesguy simply refused to acknowledge/respect the homeowners "posted" directions on "his" property. If the salesguy did, he'd be alive today.

But the liberal media refused to even mention, 3 posted "NO TRESPASSING SIGNS". As fucked up as it may be, and it is, the salesguy obviously made a poor choice.

walking up and knocking on the door is not trespassing refusing to leave if he said no is trespassing and he was leaving walking off the property when he got killed. The guy had a gun and was waiting for an excuse to use it.

I read the movie shooter bought 6000 fucking rounds of ammo with no id and if I want to buy cold medicine I have to give them my drivers license.
Also the media is all owned by big corporation's besides the NY Times so they are far from liberal but the pundits use that to create the us vs them feeling.
Its not about the second amendment,people are being played.Its about making money because if the laws are strict and you have to jump thru hoops .they cant sell as much guns and ammo.

Paul Markham · 07-29-2012, 08:39 AM

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Originally Posted by Best-In-BC

Yes, but the murder rate has more to do with illegal guns than anything, no laws or regs will change that

Yes America is a violent place, it's culture towards violence is the real problem. Examine these.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Number_...ita_by_country

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of...e_rate#201 0s

Look at the countries above the US.

The problem is made worse because any Joe being able to walk into a gun store and buy a range of Firearms for no bloody reason other than an outdated and illogical law. No one that needs a gun and can prove is worthy of owning one needs to fear of losing his right to have one. But that's the main argument of the anti gun control lobby and the conspiracy theorist who are going to rise up against the Government. Which is far more stupid a reason.

L-Pink · 07-29-2012, 08:55 AM

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Originally Posted by tony286

walking up and knocking on the door is not trespassing refusing to leave if he said no is trespassing and he was leaving walking off the property when he got killed.

Actually he was trespassing the minute he entered "Posted" property.

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Bat_Man · 07-29-2012, 09:01 AM

Gun should not such be available.............or these will be happening............

brassmonkey · 07-29-2012, 09:41 AM

giving the government your guns is like writing a blank check. once they know they have you your their bitch.

look at syria

BFT3K · 07-29-2012, 11:05 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by brassmonkey

giving the government your guns is like writing a blank check. once they know they have you your their bitch.

look at syria

Believing that a citizen militia, armed with ANY kind of guns, creates firepower equivalence, is beyond absurd.

Young · 07-29-2012, 11:23 AM

If all it took were a few signs to gun down an unarmed man in cold blood...this guy wouldn't have been charged with anything.

Brujah · 07-29-2012, 11:37 AM

Yeah, you guys keep defending nutjobs like Roop, and ignoring the law. There's no such thing as a law involving Trespassing that allows you to execute someone. Defending this idiot and more like him is going to be the real reason guns are controlled, and not because of any liberals.

Looks like even Scalia says it won't violate the Second Amendment either.

Quote:

Justice Antonin Scalia, one of the Supreme Court's most vocal and conservative justices, said on Sunday that the Second Amendment leaves room for U.S. legislatures to regulate guns, including menacing hand-held weapons.

"It will have to be decided in future cases," Scalia said on Fox News Sunday. But there were legal precedents from the days of the Founding Fathers that banned frightening weapons which a constitutional originalist like himself must recognize. There were also "locational limitations" on where weapons could be carried, the justice noted.

Cherry7 · 07-29-2012, 11:53 AM

I posted my warning signs.

I loaded my gun.

I am just waiting for the postman !

kane · 07-29-2012, 11:57 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Jesus H Christ

No, not at all. What I am saying is two things. First, the salesguy couldn't control the outcome, but could of prevented his death by following simple instructions. Second, his "deliberate" poor choice IS what caused his death. Meaning, the salesguy took the "risk" of ignoring the signs in hopes it would lead to more profit.

So acceptable anything is actually immaterial because by then he was already dead.

I agree with this. Had the salesman just paid attention to the signs none of this would have happened. It doesn't mean he should be killed for ignoring them, but when you ignore no trespassing signs you do take the risk of getting hurt.

tony286 · 07-29-2012, 12:14 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by L-Pink

Actually he was trespassing the minute he entered "Posted" property.

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actually no if you read the law. Now he had a big ass fence with signs all over it and the guy jumped the fence yes. But walking up to a door isnt trespassing, now you tell him go away and he doesnt that's trespassing.

ThunderBalls · 07-29-2012, 12:20 PM

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Originally Posted by Brujah

Yeah, you guys keep defending nutjobs like Roop, and ignoring the law. There's no such thing as a law involving Trespassing that allows you to execute someone. Defending this idiot and more like him is going to be the real reason guns are controlled, and not because of any liberals.

Looks like even Scalia says it won't violate the Second Amendment either.

Whacked out Scalia also says rocket launchers and possibly small hand held nuclear devises are protected under the 2nd Amendment.

In an opinion that is sure to delight potential terrorists everywhere, Supreme Court Justice Antonin Scalia told Fox News Sunday that he believes all held held weapons including rocket launchers are protected under the Second Amendment.

http://www.politicususa.com/scalia-r...amendment.html

helterskelter808 · 07-29-2012, 12:31 PM

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Originally Posted by Bat_Man

Gun should not such be available.............or these will be happening............

Is this a third-world spam-monkey that's been given a bowl of rice to place a link to "BlamAds" into every thread here, or just a bot that's had a stroke?

Major (Tom) · 07-29-2012, 12:49 PM

first of all florida is for inbred rednecks. Let's call a spade a spade. I think mankind has the technology to saw it off below georiga
ds

Paul Markham · 07-29-2012, 01:11 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by BFT3K

Believing that a citizen militia, armed with ANY kind of guns, creates firepower equivalence, is beyond absurd.

It even makes insane look very sensible. These pussies wouldn't last out a week.

Paul Markham · 07-29-2012, 02:14 PM

A touch of logic from the real world for those thinking their store bought weapons mean a fuck.

Unless the armed forces change and police sides your asses are toast. You will be facing highly trained, the best armed and a commanded organised force whose resources are limitless.

They have arsenal that make you drawer full of bullets look like the a joke. you will need to run down to the store to buy more after a day or two, assuming the store has some and your credit cards or bank accounts still work and you have gas in your cars. Yes all these things are controlled by the Elite.

They also control your power, so don't plan using electricity, gas for heating while fighting. And your mobile phones and Internet are more tools you will have to do without.

And when the food in your fridge has gone off, forget about running down to the stores to stock up. The Elite control that as well.

But don't worry, when the wounded start to pile up you can go to the public hospitals, the private ones are in the hands of the Elite, to get fixed up. Until they run out of drugs.

But don't give up yet. Carry on posting on GFY and watch the real world from your bunkers.

L-Pink · 07-29-2012, 02:21 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Paul Markham

A touch of logic from the real world for those thinking their store bought weapons mean a fuck.

Unless the armed forces change and police sides your asses are toast. You will be facing highly trained, the best armed and a commanded organised force whose resources are limitless.

They have arsenal that make you drawer full of bullets look like the a joke. you will need to run down to the store to buy more after a day or two, assuming the store has some and your credit cards or bank accounts still work and you have gas in your cars. Yes all these things are controlled by the Elite.

They also control your power, so don't plan using electricity, gas for heating while fighting. And your mobile phones and Internet are more tools you will have to do without.

And when the food in your fridge has gone off, forget about running down to the stores to stock up. The Elite control that as well.

But don't worry, when the wounded start to pile up you can go to the public hospitals, the private ones are in the hands of the Elite, to get fixed up. Until they run out of drugs.

But don't give up yet. Carry on posting on GFY and watch the real world from your bunkers.

You're a really weird guy.

.

Jman · 07-29-2012, 04:56 PM

Illuminati made him do it

BFT3K · 07-29-2012, 05:13 PM

2012 · 07-29-2012, 05:15 PM

there is a conspiracy in my pants

Young · 07-29-2012, 05:29 PM

150 trespassers

Brujah · 07-29-2012, 05:47 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Jesus H Christ

Actually, the signs are adequate to invoke the trespass law.

810.09 Trespass on property other than structure or conveyance.?
(1)(a)A person who, without being authorized, licensed, or invited, willfully enters upon or remains in any property other than a structure or conveyance:
1.As to which notice against entering or remaining is given, either by actual communication to the offender or by posting, fencing, or cultivation as described in s. 810.011; or
2.If the property is the unenclosed curtilage of a dwelling and the offender enters or remains with the intent to commit an offense thereon, other than the offense of trespass,
commits the offense of trespass on property other than a structure or conveyance.

Regardless, you file a complaint! You are not authorized to execute someone for knocking on your door or walking down your driveway.

Young · 07-29-2012, 05:59 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Jesus H Christ

Actually, the signs are adequate to invoke the trespass law.

810.09 Trespass on property other than structure or conveyance.?
(1)(a)A person who, without being authorized, licensed, or invited, willfully enters upon or remains in any property other than a structure or conveyance:
1.As to which notice against entering or remaining is given, either by actual communication to the offender or by posting, fencing, or cultivation as described in s. 810.011; or
2.If the property is the unenclosed curtilage of a dwelling and the offender enters or remains with the intent to commit an offense thereon, other than the offense of trespass,
commits the offense of trespass on property other than a structure or conveyance.

The letter of the law has NEVER given anyone the license to kill someone who is not armed.

A jury will interpret the law and sort this one out.

ThunderBalls · 07-29-2012, 06:06 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Jesus H Christ

Actually, the signs are adequate to invoke the trespass law.

810.09 Trespass on property other than structure or conveyance.?
(1)(a)A person who, without being authorized, licensed, or invited, willfully enters upon or remains in any property other than a structure or conveyance:
1.As to which notice against entering or remaining is given, either by actual communication to the offender or by posting, fencing, or cultivation as described in s. 810.011; or
2.If the property is the unenclosed curtilage of a dwelling and the offender enters or remains with the intent to commit an offense thereon, other than the offense of trespass,
commits the offense of trespass on property other than a structure or conveyance.

....in the year just before you were born yer mama must 'ave been drinkin' too much.

tony286 · 07-29-2012, 07:22 PM

Europe and Japan guns are hard to impossible to own but I don't see anyone being rounded up. In fact they have huge protests so they aren't afraid and they don't have guns.

Paul Markham · 07-29-2012, 11:33 PM

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Originally Posted by Jesus H Christ

Amazing Paul you being an American Jew in Europe. You being a photographer understand a picture is worth a 1000 words.

A Jew without a gun:

A Jew with a gun:

Now out of those two women, guess which one went on to have a great family and future?

How will that girl fair against a tank?

How well does a Palestinian fare against Israeli tanks?

How long did the siege of Warsaw Ghetto with armed Jews last against the might of the German Army? http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Warsaw_..._of_the_Ghetto

How long will Aleppo stay in rebel hands against the might of the Syrian Army? http://www.latimes.com/news/nationwo...,4664669.story

I think you just made my point for me.

Now look at the sheer guts and united purpose of the people making the stand against a common enemy. What would it take for Americans to unite and develop the guts to make such a stand? Because I don't see you doing anything other than posting on GFY, you and Nina can get your own board for armchair fighters.

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