UFC Bukakke.

Seriously, next Internext - brawls between Webmasters...

Should be funnier than BumFights.

You are so wrong it is rediculous. UFC has weight classes now and even when they didn't they had a "small guy" kicking ass against the big guys. Royce ring a bell? A boxer or kickboxer has shit against real martial arts.

aikido is fun. i used to do it at a university dojo, lots of japanese exchange students who had done it since they were 4 or something. man those small japanese girls could throw me *90kg* around like a ragdoll.

was alot of fun and useful.. i must say again..
heaps of fun.

Yes, a *spectator* is telling me how wrong I am.



Like I said... when studios start opening that teach UFC, go join up. Until then, I'll stick with recommending people start with what I know to be the best.


Duh.

9 mm.:BangBang: :BangBang:

"Gun-Fu":BangBang:

You need to learn the ancient Scottish martial art. Fuk-Yu!

When I was in S.F. at the Gracie BJJ school once in awhile we would have some dude walk in from another style and want to challenge a student. Usually they were Black or Brown belts in there style. Gracie would put a blue belt, one above white agains them and the BJJ won every time. The loser would do 1 of two things. Either say they slipped, had a bad day etc.... or ask if they could join the school on the spot.

WC Support knows his shit obviously. And BJJ is all about real fighting and not about the belt, or chants or breathing etc...

Finally, we had a nationally ranked Judo guy in our school and his through skills and shooting skills made him a better BJJ student and he taught us stuff but again, once you are down on the ground where most fights end up it was all BJJ.

Very good point...

:thumbsup :thumbsup

This is my current interest in 'joint' work....cuz I KNOW that works ;)

CDSmith, Im not sure where you get people are saying "UFC" is a style.

Its not a style... its a competition for people of various styles to compete. Most of the fighters in there are BJJers, thai boxers, etc.... martial artists.

These martial arts ARE taught in schools. Ive been in the martial arts for 25 years and Ive seen just about everything. Yes all arts have merit in some aspect, but most are just not meant for actual fighting. People have seen so damn many kung fu movies they have no idea what is real. Ive known black belts that have never been in a fight in their life, but yet they "know" their style is "deadly". The first time one of these guys gets popped in the nose, he goes down crying. Thats why I cant watch karate tournaments full of "Masters" who drop everytime someone brushes their face.

The only realistic styles, are those that train realistically... and those that are being tested in the UFC are the only ones that do that.

BJJ school... thats a UFC style school.

Muay Thai... thats a UFC style school.

Submission Fighting... thats a UFC style school.

They are sprouting up everywhere and Im glad to see it.

jijitsu....

I was at the Gracie Nationals about 3 years ago when some HUUUUUGE body builder came in and challenged Royce. Rorian put his 17 year old son Ryron in with the guy, and Ryron just smoked him. It was hilarious.

But what do you mean by HUGE bodybuilder....

Because yes martial art is extremely effective... however...
even the best BJJ guy in the world.... let say under 5'10, 160lbs will never beat a 6'5'' 290lbs ATHLETIC bodybuilder that can benchpress over 400lbs....

whether its on the ground or standing.... its just physically IMPOSSIBLE....

Ofcourse, im talking about an athletic lean bodybuilder... that is fast and can move... but without any martial art background... against an opponant under 5'10, 160lbs

:2 cents:

http://www.bullshido.us/dl_showall.a...le+vs%2E+Style

Enough said.

Martial Art's is for Faggots

He was about 6'6" and at least 260, and Ryron was about 155. Ive tapped out plenty of bodybuilders in my day. Im 5'9" and at the time I was 160... and I used to tap a training partner who was 6'7" and in awesome shape. I could beat him in about 30 seconds every time. Size means nothing without skill.

Muscles dont mean shit if you dont know how to use them in a fight. Fighting isnt a posing contest or bench press contest.

<a href=http://www.brucelee.com/jeet.htm>Jeet Kun Do</a>

bruce rocks.

I agree. I've been boxing for years.
Like any of these sports, it can be rough on the body.
I am about to have my second shoulder reconstruction.

I agree...whatever you decide, sit in on a couple of classes. There are dojos all over the place that just put up a sign and teach you moves, but the good ones will spend time with you on all aspects of the art (discipline, strength, form, etc).

The teacher(s) and the format of the class is a very important part. They/it will keep you motivated and focused.

A fair amount of patience is good also

PornBroker, good luck with your shoulder. Combat sports are tough on the body.

Ive already had a broken neck, and now I may have some possible broken vertebrae and crushed disks in my back that Im facing more surgery on. I havent trained in awhile because I cant even bend over anymore lol

well i think learning a martial arts to learn how to "fight" or defend yourself is the wrong reason to do it,,

i haven't been in a fight since i was in 7th grade,,

some confidence and a stern voice can go along ways

zen do kai or zen shi ryu... they taught us how to rip throats out. :thumbsup also it was crazy in terms of fitness, the gradings were 2 day camps that fucked you up.. 1000 push-ups in a row.. 1000 situps.. and the killer of them all the "kilometre of kicks" that left you unable to walk..

Martial Arts CAN give you discipline, but so can many other things. If you're going to train in the arts, you might as well train in one that will save your ass if you get in trouble.

Aikido, good grappling techniques, use BG's weight against him.

:)

lol

CD smith - seriously, tai chi isn't that bad - you can work a real sweat up.. it's good as complimentary style and exercise but yeah if you're not practising contact theres no point IMHO.

As much as I think ju jitsu kicks ass, it really is for single assailants I couldn't be assed being on the ground wrestling while his mate is kicking me in the back.

Muay thai is the fucking gear too, my sensai used to compliment muay thai a lot and we learned several such techniques because of their effectiveness in the ring in a stand up fight.

hapkido i found to be a little lame.. not in the style but more the "spiritual" side the local place i went to had a pledge not to use it for evil at the end of each lesson.. i don't know.. just didn't seem right.

the zen shi ryu I did was pretty nuts, it was more for street dirty fighting "pick up a brick and use it" sort of stuff.. eye gouging throat punching etc was all good. So it was a good realistic mix with the cartas and traditional side of it. The fitness side was extreme too.

I've been wanting to get back into martial arts but a few health issues have prevented me, aside from sitting in front of a computer all day. So i've disregarded zen do kai and zen shi ryu, as well as ju jitsu as being too rough at the moment.
I really wanted to do wing chun as we had one of the best masters and a conveinient dojo in chinatown, sydney but it didn't happen before I moved.. I'm thinking something along the lines of aikido now and focussing more on using the other persons weight and energy against them rather than a lot of force. And maybe Tai chi as a complimentary fitness thing to break up 12-18hour computer stints.. but thats only because I'm somewhat medically unfit for a lot of extreme exercise.

I would do the jiu-jitsu. Its actually pretty easy on your body if thats what youre worried about.

I have a red sash (chinese equivalent of a black belt) in Wing Chun that is useless. I wouldnt suggest you do it if realism is what you are looking for. Its easy on your body, and its actually a shitload of fun and I miss it, but it is not realistic at all, no matter what you may have heard.

hahah I saw that! damn.. he was on top of him wailing down the monkeypunches while the guy couldn't get up because he was too big - he was 6'8" 616lbs, the white guy wasn't skinny - he was a normal buff dude - he just looked like a skinny dude compared to him.. he broke his hand beating the big guy and had to drop out of the comp.

That was Emmanual Yarborough (the sumo guy) and Keith Hackney.

Yarborough went on to fight a 170 pound japanese fighter in Japan, and the little guy literally ran circles around him, even did somersaults around him until he got tired. It was hilarious.

How can you beat someone that can lift you over their head with 1 hand....
Judo... or BJJ usualy start with grabing each others arms/kimono or whatever its called....
Once its done... I,m sorry but a 6'6'' 300lbs of muscles, that can lift 3 times your weight, that is quick and not chubby.... would shake you like a puppet (assuming your 155lbs)

Have you ever tried to do an arm lock when th the guy as 22in biceps.... of lean muscles....?

I believe you about the 17yo beating the 6'6 260lbs but I have doubt about the guy agility, athletisism..... or even intelligence...

By the way... how did he do it... strike the legs...?

No offense, but Wing Chun is far from useless. Granted there isn't much ground work, but the principles used in Wing Chun are behind a lot of the techniques used by these UFC guys. There aren't many other arts that teach sensitivity, deflection, etc. at the level that Wing Chun does.

xxxdesign, its proven to be true all the time. Bench pressing means nothing. I guarantee you my two legs and two arms, which are required for a straight armbar, are stronger than his one arm. Its proven... I ACTUALLY do this stuff, not just talk about it. Besides, all the muscles in the world cant stop a choke hold :)

Like I said about Wing Chun, its all theory, and when put to the test, it doesnt work. Remember, I am actually a red sash in the system, under one of Yip Chings teachers, so I know what Im talking about. Not one Wing Chun guy has ever been successful. They have all been beaten very, and I mean VERY, easily.

Their staff fighting is very good though, I will say that. The centerline theory actually does apply to the staff fighting.

I already know how to fight. I haven't been in a fight since I was 23 and I'm 31 now. However, I get into numerous altercations around here. It isn't about learning how to fight. It's about knowing how to open up a whole can of whoopass on someone. It's about breaking someone's leg at the joint at will. It's about snapping a muthafucka's neck if you have to. The confidence and the stern voice goes a long way. It also helps that I'm a somewhat large dude and I'm rarely challenged. But if you're in a situation where you're confronted with a drunk lunatic, a stern look is just gonna get your ass whooped. It won't even phase a psychopath.

Plus you're in your twenties or early thirties yourself. Do you think that your "stern voice" is gonna pass on some young punk when you're 45?

I also have a family and I've been in all kinds of situations with ignorant muthafuckas through the years trying to test me over that shit. I want to be able to go in for the kill without expending too much energy.

I also travel to other countries and I'm almost always put up to some physical test of strength between myself and the natives. All over the world, they think we have big dicks and are unusually strong. And with this comes physical challenges from natives. I was in a dark back street in Lagos, Nigeria after I left a nightclub and someone came up to me and said, "Fuck You". But since he was smiling, I just smiled back at him. The hoe I was with told me when we got to the hotel that he was about to rob me. But since I was brave enough to smile back at him and say "fuck you" back, he left me alone. But I wasn't brave, I just didn't know any better.

Learning a martial art will help save my ass when I'm in some third world country and a drunk native pissed off at me. Along with some other things.

The centerline theory applies to everything. I trained in Wing Chun for 10 years and have taught it as well so I think I have an idea as to what I'm talking about. The problem with many people who train in Wing Chun is they get too caught up in chi sao and neglect the more practical combat training, so I unberstand what you're saying about the theory. That's why the better Wing Chun fighters are ones who have trained in other styles as well. For example, I have a couple of friends who are very successful full contact fighters and they're trained in Wing Chun, but they've also trained in Hapkido under Master Hwang, and have done boxing too. You need a well rounded background like that to better understand and apply the theory and techniques in Wing Chun. But this applies to everything. You can't simply say one martial art is good and the other isn't. It doesn't work that way. They are all different pieces of the puzzle. Wing Chun is a unique martial art, and it can also be very effective depending on how it's used.

The other thing is there's too much talk about what works and what doesn't. The truth is it's not the martial art but the athlete doing it. Some people are naturally better fighters than others. Some are faster and stronger. There's no getting around that. The fact that one guy gets his ass kicked by another doesn't mean a martial art is good or bad. Take all the UFC guys. I've seen them drop boxers before, but I guarantee you that if a Roy Jones Jr. was to step into the Octagon not one of these guys would be able to hold their own against him, regardless of what martial art they do, because Roy Jones Jr. is the superior athlete.