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Old 02-05-2003, 11:34 AM   #1
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Cyberotica Condones Cheating! Here's Proof!

"This new feature can be applied to the following countries: China, Egypt, India , Poland, Russia and Uruguay. When you re-route this traffic, it will not show up as raw or unique hits so we can get back to the great conversions we had and let you decide how to maximize your own traffic from those countries by using it for traffic trades or toplists for example. "
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Old 02-05-2003, 11:35 AM   #2
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Old 02-05-2003, 11:40 AM   #4
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Old 02-05-2003, 11:40 AM   #5
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ban TheFly for being a complete retard!
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... and the proof? :]
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Old 02-05-2003, 11:58 AM   #14
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lol, looks like TheFly is trying to "help" CE now. Good thing, I hear they're not doing to well, they can really use this psycho's "publicity stunt". Fuck I gotta learn to read who started the thread before I open it.

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Old 02-05-2003, 12:10 PM   #15
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How does this prove Cybererotica cheats?
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Old 02-05-2003, 12:12 PM   #16
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How does this prove Cybererotica cheats?
It doesnt:

Cyberotica Condones Cheating!
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Cyberotica Condones Cheating!
Okay.

How does it prove that?
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How does this prove Cybererotica cheats?
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I think that's old knowledge? along with a few other sponsors that are lossing there shirt!
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Old 02-05-2003, 12:15 PM   #21
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For the newbs -- basically Cyberotica is suggesting that U cheat your link trades by sending them worthless foreign traffic... I'm suprised that a company of this stature would stoop to this level of telling webmasters how to cheat their link trading partners...

This finally signals a shift to a new method of trading... The cat is out of the hat, thanks to CE.... Instead of productivity ratios, trades will have to be offset by a "country index"... How many of you are trading on country specific parameters?
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Old 02-05-2003, 12:28 PM   #22
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The high-end CJ scripts will need to have configurable country specific traffic trading parameters... for those webmasters that want to capitalize on specific countries (if they have a use for that traffic for say a language specific sponsor...)
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Damn - I'm all out of popcorn.

Okay, listen up and listen carefully.

Just because somewhere on a website or via an email or whatever something is said, it DOES NOT MEAN that statement is a company wide policy. It means nothing more than one person said it, and that in itself doesn't mean jack shit. It can also mean that something was mistated and misworded; The person was trying to say one thing and it just came out the wrong way.

Every time we make changes to our main site we have three or four of us look it over. Yet still things end up on our website that can be taken many different ways.

Email is no different. A few weeks ago we sent out an email to all of our webmasters. It was simple message that bascially said if we don't have your correct address you won't be getting your tax information. However, because of the way it was worded, some webmasters thought that we would be cutting off their checks if their information was incorrect.

When you are dealing with companies you have to remember that fact - You are dealing with a COMPANY that has EMPLOYEES that make mistakes, and sometimes say things that come out wrong.

Furthermore, a public message board is not the proper place to be complaining about a sponsor, even more so when it's CE.
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Old 02-05-2003, 03:38 PM   #24
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For the newbs -- basically Cyberotica is suggesting that U cheat your link trades by sending them worthless foreign traffic... I'm suprised that a company of this stature would stoop to this level of telling webmasters how to cheat their link trading partners...

This finally signals a shift to a new method of trading... The cat is out of the hat, thanks to CE.... Instead of productivity ratios, trades will have to be offset by a "country index"... How many of you are trading on country specific parameters?
The Fly we do not condone cheating. We're helping Webmaster optimize their income by taking traffic that does nothing with our programs and giving them the ability to monetize it somewhere else.

That you get from this that we condone cheating is a far leap. You obviously don't know what you're talking about.
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Old 02-05-2003, 04:19 PM   #26
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Fly, you are a complete coconut. Why is filtering off worthless traffic that wont convert, and only waste a sponsors bandwidth cheating??..
Filtering this garbage traffic off and sending it elseware is GOOD, it's not cheating. Filtering off that garbage and trying to find someplace where it can be used to make money is not cheating, it's smart...which is obviously something you are not.
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must be a family thing, huh
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Old 02-05-2003, 05:05 PM   #28
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Actually, I would consider this cheating. It's filtering out your crap traffic and sending it to your trades.
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so was this another joke?
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Literally from the Cecash webmaster area:



New GEO-TRACK ROUTING FEATURE

The all new Geo-Track Routing option has been added to all the mail programs! This feature allows you to choose the route of certain traffic, that would normally auto direct to the dialer, to go to a place of your choice instead.

This new feature can be applied to the following countries: China, Egypt, India , Poland, Russia and Uruguay. When you re-route this traffic, it will not show up as raw or unique hits so we can get back to the great conversions we had and let you decide how to maximize your own traffic from those countries by using it for traffic trades or toplists for example.

Go to CE Cash today and sign up for these great programs if you are not already using them and thank you all for your continued support!
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Old 02-05-2003, 06:13 PM   #34
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CyberErotica is doing nothing wrong, their just giving the bad traffic back to webmasters because the dont even want to waste bandwidth on it.

Some of you will shit if you ever start tracking where your traffic really comes from. Posts on CE boards showed some webmasters with TGP galleries had over 70% of their traffic coming from China and Uraguay. CE just said fuck this crap, you can have it back.
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theFLY runs toplists and he hates the idea of webmasters using toplists to dump their shit traffic.
Because Cyberotica suggested this, theFLY thinks they cheat?
Maybe I'm way off....
TheFly likes to stir up shit though, I can't help but think this is some marketing ploy.
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"theFLY runs toplists and he hates the idea of webmasters using toplists to dump their shit traffic. "


Whats the URL's? I will send him my CE "overflow" traffic
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New GEO-TRACK ROUTING FEATURE

The all new Geo-Track Routing option has been added to all the mail programs! This feature allows you to choose the route of certain traffic, that would normally auto direct to the dialer, to go to a place of your choice instead.

This new feature can be applied to the following countries: China, Egypt, India , Poland, Russia and Uruguay. When you re-route this traffic, it will not show up as raw or unique hits so we can get back to the great conversions we had and let you decide how to maximize your own traffic from those countries by using it for traffic trades or toplists for example.

Go to CE Cash today and sign up for these great programs if you are not already using them and thank you all for your continued support!
punkworld we only used 'traffic trades or toplists' as an example, we do not condone any type of cheating. We're simply identifying traffic that will not earn any income in our program and allowing webmasters to redirect that traffic to a URL of their choice to try and make money, not telling them to cheat.

I guess you must have a toplist or something
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punkworld we only used 'traffic trades or toplists' as an example, we do not condone any type of cheating. We're simply identifying traffic that will not earn any income in our program and allowing webmasters to redirect that traffic to a URL of their choice to try and make money, not telling them to cheat.

I guess you must have a toplist or something


Cyberotica is a good company with a solid reputation.

Not that I like agreeing with the fly, but I found that statement the fly found on cyberotica to be a wee bit offensive to me.

rather than say traffic trades or toplists why not say something like 'redirect this traffic to other sources" A re-write might be smart as I know MANY of cyberotica's clients are in fact traffic traders and toplists.

The way that was worded was in a manor that really was offensive to people who run their businesses based on traded traffic. I'm left with the impression that if I trade with someone who deals with cybererotica I'm gona trade good traffic for stuff that it's alomst impossible to make a sale from.


I TOTALLY agree with RocHard though
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i would like to POLITLY suggest to Cyberotica that maybe a rewrite of the statement in question is in order.......
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FM don't worry about the Fly. He is a nobody who's only claim to fame is being in this business since 98 and having over 10,000 contacts in his icq list. He likes to act like he is a big player here but in reality he is nothing. He spends his time talking smack about everyone. Here are his toplists:

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Guys that just got in this biz a month ago already make more than TheFly. He is just a talker. Just ignore him man. He has mental problems.
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Old 02-05-2003, 07:19 PM   #41
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Everybody does that - what's the fuckin reason to waste bandwidth?
Here's pay checker:

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Honors ip ranges, time zones, router locations, access providers and other shit.
I consider Chinese speaking surfer who's using AOL as a good one.
Anybody around globe is welcome to click and paste what it sayZ.
US users - try wget on it
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FM don't worry about the Fly. He is a nobody who's only claim to fame is being in this business since 98 and having over 10,000 contacts in his icq list. He likes to act like he is a big player here but in reality he is nothing. He spends his time talking smack about everyone. Here are his toplists:

http://www.socalsweets.com/
http://www.secretcurves.com/
http://www.theflyinc.com/models.html

Guys that just got in this biz a month ago already make more than TheFly. He is just a talker. Just ignore him man. He has mental problems.
theflyinc.com
Isn't that the url of the guy that came in here bitching and moaning because he mistyped his url in the application form and couldn't get an account at ARS?
Then it was somehow ARS's fault that he mistyped it and it was too much trouble for him to fill out the form again and ARS was a shit company etc etc etc?
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Old 02-05-2003, 07:49 PM   #44
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theflyinc.com
Isn't that the url of the guy that came in here bitching and moaning because he mistyped his url in the application form and couldn't get an account at ARS?
Then it was somehow ARS's fault that he mistyped it and it was too much trouble for him to fill out the form again and ARS was a shit company etc etc etc?
Same guy.
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Old 02-05-2003, 08:02 PM   #45
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Fly.. Your an Idoit.

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Old 02-05-2003, 09:05 PM   #46
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Any toplist that doesn't filter by language deserves to be cheated.
what filter? only filters I'm into are on Pall Mall Light 100's
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Old 02-05-2003, 09:15 PM   #47
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How in the hell is targeting your traffic to where it will make the most money for you cheating?

It's NOT! It's called good business.

Shoot! If you don't use CE and want to geo target your traffic on your own, there are plenty of programs out there.

We even put out one that is very easy to install and use.

http://www.trafficassistant.com/

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Old 02-05-2003, 09:42 PM   #48
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LOLLLLLLLLLLLLL oh man
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Old 02-05-2003, 10:11 PM   #49
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Let me see if I got this right...

CE is TELLING their webmasters what traffic they will not take, so instead of sending it and running up their ratios the resellers can do something else with it, like send it to trades, dialers, whatTHEFUCKever...

and the Fly takes this to mean that CE condones cheating?

Go ahead and put the crack pipe right on back in your mouth Fly, since it seems you been hittin' it hard.

CE's job is not to monitor your trades, CE's job is to keep their resellers informed of their policies that can affect the checks that go out.

I swear between you and Brad, next thing you know Ron and I will be hugging.

Oh speaking of hugging, check your email Ron --
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Old 02-05-2003, 10:53 PM   #50
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