Who was the first person to complain about too much free porn, and what year was it?

[Brown Bear]

It seems as far back as I can remember, I've always heard people blaming their lack of sales on the fact that there is too much free porn. I wonder who was the first person to bitch about this?

[dlex]

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[LiveDose]

1997

[Roberto]

Just imagine how the whole free or paysites impacted on porn magazines, that might have been worse i guess.

[rooster]

I think it has really become a problem in like the last year and a half.

The big tgp guys will never admit it, but free porn is a very bad thing. Why would a surfer buy a membership, when they can surf a tgp and get dozens of galleries and each with a bunch of hardcore pics.

Hardore should be paid for, not free. IMO


The other problem is the kazaa stuff. Ask anyone if they ever seen the bangbus videos and 9 times out of 10 their response will usually be "oh yea, i downloaded them off kazaa".

[ItBurnsWhenIpee]

Originally posted by rooster
I think it has really become a problem in like the last year and a half.

The big tgp guys will never admit it, but free porn is a very bad thing. Why would a surfer buy a membership, when they can surf a tgp and get dozens of galleries and each with a bunch of hardcore pics.

Hardore should be paid for, not free. IMO


The other problem is the kazaa stuff. Ask anyone if they ever seen the bangbus videos and 9 times out of 10 their response will usually be "oh yea, i downloaded them off kazaa".

And I'll bet you use it too.....

[psyko514]

It was Jason Evans, on March 10, 1999.

[JayJay]

Originally posted by psyko514
It was Jason Evans, on March 10, 1999.

NO! Simon Staples said it 2 days before!
March 8 1999

Get you facts straight before you post!

[escorpio]

IMO the only reasons for someone to join a paysite are movies and cams. With kazaa and winmx fucking up the movie thing-as someone pointed out the big sites like BB and milf hunter are downloadable free- I think cams wil become "the thing". It is the one thing that can not be had free. Getting a girl to get naked on free cam just ain't gonna happen!

[Corona]

I'm pretty sure that "too much free porn" caused the fall of the Roman Empire.

[WarChild]

I will increase my galleries from 1:30 of mpeg to 5:00. I will also start giving out free picture sets.

If I was super, super rich, I'd just make a bunch of premium sites and give them all away free. Then I'd sit on this board all day long and watch a state of anarchy develop.

Okay, maybe not.

[Mojo]

I've been complaining about it since 97 easy.

We opened up the 2nd pay per sale program back then, FreshTeens.com (MaxCash was the first) and my whole mantra was to t-e-a-s-e the surfer, get them tittilated and then sell them.

Why take out your credit card when you can surf a TGP for an hour and only see one banner a page?

But, I don't think it'll ever change. There will always be people who will happily work 4 hours a day and make 100 galleries with 3000 free pics so long as they make $25.00/month in beer money.

[ServerGenius]

It was Al Gore right after he invented the internet.....I forgot
date he invented it

DynaMite

[Dveron]

It was back in 97 when everybody and their mother apparently opened their first paysite and webmaster program..

[strainer]

It was found in a cave wall in Africa carbon dated to 6,000 BC. Some asswipe was painting porn all over the cavewalls for a hobby while everyone else was charging 2 shells and a handjob...

[Petr]

Originally posted by Dveron
It was back in 97 when everybody and their mother apparently opened their first paysite and webmaster program..

Actually, the affiliate program boom came more like in 1999/2000. Now it looks like every webmaster has a paysite and every paysite has its affiliate (partnership) program.

[Dveron]

Originally posted by Petr


Actually, the affiliate program boom came more like in 1999/2000. Now it looks like every webmaster has a paysite and every paysite has its affiliate (partnership) program.

Thats true..but most of those programs have the slogan 'Been paying on time since 1997'

[Mojo]

Originally posted by Dveron


Thats true..but most of those programs have the slogan 'Been paying on time since 1997'

Ya. But then there are guys like Petr and myself who actually have been around and successful since before then.

[Voodoo]

Originally posted by dlex
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[fantasyman]

CE opened our marketing program Fast Cash in August 1996.

In early 1997 when we started the online radio show Sharkylive and we discussed with Webmasters to reduce the amount of free content on their sites to increase paysite conversions.

If there was very little nudity on free sites, paysites would convert a lot more for free site owners, but TGP's have nipped that in the bud

[el_greco]

I find it kind of funny that everyone bashes on the content avavilable on TGP's, et al. Those hardcore pics DO tease the surfer, quite well. They join sites to see more of that model/niche.

If you run a "softcore" site, and only post pics of girls in bikini's, you won't pic up half as many surfers beacuse as a surfer, I want to know, before i join, that the models don't have some hairy ass mole hovering anywhere near their pussys...

Does that make sense?

[Jakke PNG]

Originally posted by el_greco
before i join, that the models don't have some hairy ass mole hovering anywhere near their pussys...

That's the way, a-ha, a-ha, I like it.

[el_greco]

Originally posted by TeenGodFather


That's the way, a-ha, a-ha, I like it.

A little something extra to play with?

[Sly_RJ]

Originally posted by Mojo
I've been complaining about it since 97 easy.

We opened up the 2nd pay per sale program back then, FreshTeens.com (MaxCash was the first) and my whole mantra was to t-e-a-s-e the surfer, get them tittilated and then sell them.

Why take out your credit card when you can surf a TGP for an hour and only see one banner a page?

But, I don't think it'll ever change. There will always be people who will happily work 4 hours a day and make 100 galleries with 3000 free pics so long as they make $25.00/month in beer money.

Could you answer my email please? Sent it sometime last week.

[fedfest]

Originally posted by Brown Bear
It seems as far back as I can remember, I've always heard people blaming their lack of sales on the fact that there is too much free porn. I wonder who was the first person to bitch about this?

Year 0025 - The good old "Thy shall not lust" days

some guy called Jesus or something had a pretty bad time selling a rather sneaky "pay now and get your sex once your in heaven" program..
(guess he should have tried with a free 3 day trial Huh..?)



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[Rich]

Originally posted by rooster
I think it has really become a problem in like the last year and a half.

The big tgp guys will never admit it, but free porn is a very bad thing. Why would a surfer buy a membership, when they can surf a tgp and get dozens of galleries and each with a bunch of hardcore pics.

Hardore should be paid for, not free. IMO


The other problem is the kazaa stuff. Ask anyone if they ever seen the bangbus videos and 9 times out of 10 their response will usually be "oh yea, i downloaded them off kazaa".

If the surfer can't get free porn from TGPs, he'll get it from Kazaa or worse, hotlinker boards. Personally I'd rather have them get their porn in a more controlled environment covered in ads. TGPing is profitable, you just have to push something they can't get for free, like exclusive video content. The only people who complain are the ones not making money, and that's your fault not everyone else's. The only thing free porn has hurt are lame cookie cutter paysites that are a rip off to surfers anyway. Ask quiet and the ox cash guys if TGPs have hurt their sales, it's called survival of the fittest.

[rooster]

survival of the fittest or bottom feeding ?


I think there is a place for tgp, but it has become too big and theres too many webmasters willing to give away a bunch of content in hopes of getting a couple signups.

I would agree its nowhere near the sole problem. But I think eventually there will come a day where its harder to get free hardcore due to laws. Adult industry never regulates on its own, it has to come from an outside force.

[Rich]

Originally posted by fantasyman
CE opened our marketing program Fast Cash in August 1996.

In early 1997 when we started the online radio show Sharkylive and we discussed with Webmasters to reduce the amount of free content on their sites to increase paysite conversions.

If there was very little nudity on free sites, paysites would convert a lot more for free site owners, but TGP's have nipped that in the bud

Wouldn't you rather see TGPs sending you traffic than all the surfers finding out how much more free porn the can get on hotlinker boards and kazaa? Not to mention, if there were no TGPs, the market for these types of BS sites would increase. Out of curiosity, how many of your members originated on a free site or TGP?

Obviously if the world was a perfect place, you wouldn't be able to see a nipple online without a monthly membership. Unfortunatly Adam ate the apple, and complaining about free porn online is senseless. We've all done well with the business the way it is, those who haven't should work harder.

[Gman.357]

Originally posted by LiveDose
1997

As we know, everything that means anything in this biz occured in 1997.

[Rich]

Originally posted by Mojo
I've been complaining about it since 97 easy.

We opened up the 2nd pay per sale program back then, FreshTeens.com (MaxCash was the first) and my whole mantra was to t-e-a-s-e the surfer, get them tittilated and then sell them.

Why take out your credit card when you can surf a TGP for an hour and only see one banner a page?

But, I don't think it'll ever change. There will always be people who will happily work 4 hours a day and make 100 galleries with 3000 free pics so long as they make $25.00/month in beer money.

Man, Sleazydream really makes that $25/month work for him, he has a nice house, truck, and is financially stable primarily from gallery posting and running a TGP. I mean, I knew house values in Manitoba were low, but that's insane.

[Rich]

Originally posted by Gman.357




As we know, everything that means anything in this biz occured in 1997.

That does seem to be the average year for liars, eh? Isn't that when Dank Cash opened? Coincidentally, that's also the year the CEO was born.

[Mojo]

Originally posted by fantasyman
CE opened our marketing program Fast Cash in August 1996.

In early 1997 when we started the online radio show Sharkylive and we discussed with Webmasters to reduce the amount of free content on their sites to increase paysite conversions.

If there was very little nudity on free sites, paysites would convert a lot more for free site owners, but TGP's have nipped that in the bud

Exactly right.

I remember being on that first SharkyLive and talking about targetting your traffic (believe it or not it was not common knowledge to send "teen" traffic to a "teen" site) and teasing the surfer with softcore pics.

The "they'd only get it from kazaa" argument does not hold water either. If that was true then the record industery would not sell billions of $$$ worth of CD's every year.

Bottom line is that if there were no TGPs and a limited amount of free porn (and especially no free movies) there would be a LOT more money being made.

But, as I said before, it'll never happen...

[yadayadayada]

......The only thing free porn has hurt are lame cookie cutter paysites that are a rip off to surfers anyway. Ask quiet and the ox cash guys if TGPs have hurt their sales, it's called survival of the fittest.......


who are quiet and oxcash?

"survival of the fittest?"
you get a legend like fantasyman saying one thing and some doode name Rich telling us about the survival of the fittest?
hahahahahahahahahahahaha

[Scott McD]

Defo 1997.

The year that changed the world...

[escorpio]

Originally posted by strainer
It was found in a cave wall in Africa carbon dated to 6,000 BC. Some asswipe was painting porn all over the cavewalls for a hobby while everyone else was charging 2 shells and a handjob...

ROFLMAO

[Rich]

Originally posted by yadayadayada
......The only thing free porn has hurt are lame cookie cutter paysites that are a rip off to surfers anyway. Ask quiet and the ox cash guys if TGPs have hurt their sales, it's called survival of the fittest.......


who are quiet and oxcash?

"survival of the fittest?"
you get a legend like fantasyman saying one thing and some doode name Rich telling us about the survival of the fittest?
hahahahahahahahahahahaha

I'm not arguing that FM is a legend and the most innovative person in this businesses history, but does that mean everyone has to agree with him on everything? I didn't say that survival of the fittest thing towards him, I said it towards the asswhipes who complain that they can't make money because some people give away to much free porn. Guess what, that's not the reason, the reason is that you don't know how to market what you're selling, period.

Free porn isn't going to go away, face it. It's not like FM started crying about that and gave up, he fucking started making cash from the millions of TGP surfers. I hope he responds to my question about how many of his members originated on a TGP. Like I said, in a perfect world there would be not a single naked women on the net outside of a members area. Since that's never going to happen, what the fuck is the point in arguing about it every 3 months? The free porn is there, make it work to your advantage (like FM has), or drown. Survival of the fittest mother fucker.

And if you've never heard of ox cash, I'm not insulted by you calling me some dude named Rich, or I should say "some doode name Rich".

[Mojo]

Rich,

Having a discussion about too much free porn is exactly that....a discussion. No one needs to "get over" anything.

And no here is crying about anything....thry're giving an intelligent observation that if a surfer was not abole to view tens of thousands of free hardcore pics and movies that all of us, even you, would make more money.

[Rich]

Originally posted by Mojo
Rich,

Having a discussion about too much free porn is exactly that....a discussion. No one needs to "get over" anything.

And no here is crying about anything....thry're giving an intelligent observation that if a surfer was not abole to view tens of thousands of free hardcore pics and movies that all of us, even you, would make more money.

Actually Mojo, this thread is discussing the people who blame free porn for their lack of sales, and bitch about it. I didn't necessarily say anyone here was crying about it, but plenty of people have in the past.

Originally posted by Brown Bear
It seems as far back as I can remember, I've always heard people blaming their lack of sales on the fact that there is too much free porn. I wonder who was the first person to bitch about this?

[FATPad]

Originally posted by Mojo
Rich,

Having a discussion about too much free porn is exactly that....a discussion. No one needs to "get over" anything.

And no here is crying about anything....thry're giving an intelligent observation that if a surfer was not abole to view tens of thousands of free hardcore pics and movies that all of us, even you, would make more money.

Some people are already making big money off TGP traffic. They have no incentive to pull back the amount of free porn and increase someone else's ability to make money.

It's competition.

[Rich]

Originally posted by FATPad
Some people are already making big money off TGP traffic. They have no incentive to pull back the amount of free porn and increase someone else's ability to make money.

It's competition.

Some might, you never know.


Dear Mr. Hun,

The amout of free porn you give away is the reason I can't make money, please stop. I'll ask that as of tomorrow, you do not give away a single free hardcore picture. Charge for your site, or put it behind an AVS. The problem is, every day you list more pictures on your site than I have in my entire members area, and it took me hours to get all those pictures from newgroups. I worked on my tour with mspaint and notepad for almost a whole day, but because of YOU I still can't get surfers to pay $39.99.

Thanks

[Rich]

Now that's sarcasm.

[Paul Markham]

It was 22.000 BC

The official paid cave painter was pissed off with all the no talent dick heads painting nudes on his walls for free.

Or at least it seems to have gone on for that long.

If you know what you are doing the free stuff will not be a threat. You think Hustler have come into a dying market?

What is killing a lot of businesses is you now need to put up stuff that the surfer will and wants to pay for.

90% of the stuff I see on TGP and AVS sites is crap or just a taster.