How many know that US Gov. knew about Pearl Harbour attack prior to it happening? - GoFuckYourself.com

Nysus · 01-22-2003, 08:30 PM

That's the question. I have been having a discussion online with someone, who happens to be American, about what will happen with this whole Iraq thing.

I brought up the point that the government may have allowed September 11th to happen, so they could get public votes towards taking action against Iraq.

I also mentioned about Pearl Harbour attack being known, and that it could be the same. The person I was talking to mentioned that there are always conspiracies, and true there are, but I asked if they knew about the US government knowing about Pearl Harbout attack before it happened, and they never heard of that before. So I found a site and grabbed this bit of text out of the first long paragraph... I'm curious to see what Americans/other people know about Pearl Harbour..

Here's the text... You can do a search on Google and find a lot..

"Using documents pried loose through the Freedom of Information Act during 17 years of research, Stinnett provides overwhelming evidence that FDR and his top advisers knew that Japanese warships were heading toward Hawaii. The heart of his argument is even more inflammatory: Stinnett argues that FDR, who desired to sway public opinion in support of U.S. entry into WWII, instigated a policy intended to provoke a Japanese attack. The plan was outlined in a U.S. Naval Intelligence secret strategy memo of October 1940; Roosevelt immediately began implementing its eight steps (which included deploying U.S. warships in Japanese territorial waters and imposing a total embargo intended to strangle Japan's economy), all of which, according to Stinnett, climaxed in the Japanese attack. Stinnett, a decorated naval veteran of WWII who served under then Lt. George Bush, substantiates his charges with a wealth of persuasive documents, including many government and military memos and transcripts. Demolishing the myth that the Japanese fleet maintained strict radio silence, he shows that several Japanese naval broadcasts, intercepted by American cryptographers in the 10 days before December 7, confirmed that Japan intended to start the war at Pearl Harbor."

Forgot to post URL where I grabbed that text from...
http://militarybooks.tripod.com/html...arlharbour.htm

Cheers,
Matt

jammyjenkins · 01-22-2003, 08:32 PM

Are you MrPopup in disguise?

Nysus · 01-22-2003, 08:36 PM

No, I don't like MrPopup from the threads he started... He could be a nice person, though I don't know..

Cheers,
Matt

Nysus · 01-22-2003, 08:47 PM

So... None of you care that your government let a lot of marines die, just to have an excuse to join a war? Are you just lazy, not there, or just being ignorant? I'm not trying to start a bitch war, I just am honestly curious. I'm just guessing none of you will answer No anyways... *sigh*

Cheers,
Matt

NoCarrier · 01-22-2003, 08:55 PM

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Originally posted by Nysus
So... None of you care that your government let a lot of marines die, just to have an excuse to join a war? Are you just lazy, not there, or just being ignorant? I'm not trying to start a bitch war, I just am honestly curious. I'm just guessing none of you will answer No anyways... *sigh*

Cheers,
Matt

Want to know why nobody is replying to this lame thread?

"Never argue with a fool. They drag you down to their level, and then beat you with experience"

Maybe I should write a book about the fact that being dumb is part of a government conspiration and make a fortune with it.

Nysus · 01-22-2003, 08:56 PM

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Originally posted by NoCarrier

Want to know why nobody is replying to this lame thread?

"Never argue with a fool. They drag you down to their level, and then beat you with experience"

I'm not arguing with you.

Cheers,
Matt

PerfectionGirls · 01-22-2003, 08:59 PM

I love it how people get bits of information and piece together a story out of it.

Half truths make for interesting propaganda, but that's about it.

Read the very well documented history of that day and the weeks leading up to it. If you do, you will see that we most certainly were NOT aware of the situation at hand. There were warning signs, but those "signs" could have ment a thousand different possiblities. Least of which was an attack on Pearl Harbor.

Lame

NoCarrier · 01-22-2003, 09:00 PM

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Originally posted by Nysus

I'm not arguing with you.

Cheers,
Matt

Sigh.. Nobody is replying because they don't want to argue with that lame topic.

I never said you were arguing with me.

Cheers,

Captain Canada · 01-22-2003, 09:15 PM

Omar Bradley was one of the biggest proponents of the US getting into the war - there is no doubt the US new about the attack before it happened - not even worth arguing about.

Sept 11 - I would doubt it, but you never know.

Nysus · 01-22-2003, 09:34 PM

PerfectionGirls - Not related to Pearl Harbour, but could you tell me why 3 top nations in the world wenton full air/military alert 3 days running up to September 11th? The US government did nothing?...

Cheers,
Matt

Nysus · 01-22-2003, 09:37 PM

NoCarrier, are you that out-of-it to have missed the point of my reply? And don't mock me.

Cheers,
Matt

stocktrader23 · 01-22-2003, 09:40 PM

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Originally posted by PerfectionGirls
I love it how people get bits of information and piece together a story out of it.

Half truths make for interesting propaganda, but that's about it.

Read the very well documented history of that day and the weeks leading up to it. If you do, you will see that we most certainly were NOT aware of the situation at hand. There were warning signs, but those "signs" could have ment a thousand different possiblities. Least of which was an attack on Pearl Harbor.

Lame

Half truths? Of course it's well documented. It says exactly what they want you to hear. I have never looked into us knowing about Pearl Harbor but WTC attacks. Come on. Are you telling me it takes more than common sense to see from the time the first plane hit to the last nothing was done. Even if you use the same worn out line that the "signs" could mean anything and we were just clueless (very funny to think our Government is that retarded) there were several planes that could have been deployed to stop the second one crashing. None made it.

bristol · 01-22-2003, 09:44 PM

hey matt I know who you are from like 3 years ago :}

Nysus · 01-22-2003, 09:48 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by bristol
hey matt I know who you are from like 3 years ago :}

Cool? Should I be scared?

Hit me up on ICQ..

Cheers,
Matt

bristol · 01-22-2003, 09:50 PM

would be nice if you told me what it was. ;}

Nysus · 01-22-2003, 09:53 PM

Odd. It used to be in my profile..

Now I'm paranoid though. Sadly, you are most likely just some idiot who's going to message bomb me...

Just PM me your ICQ or something... That'll work..

Cheers,
Matt

bristol · 01-22-2003, 09:56 PM

i just checked #blah and you werent there.. i cant be bothered to install icq again, you got another chan? ;}

Nysus · 01-22-2003, 09:58 PM

I guess I won't PM you.. Send me an email.. [email protected]

Cheers,
Matt

Funkito · 01-22-2003, 09:59 PM

War was expected with Japan and planned for. A fact that supports this can be found in Douglas MacArthur's autobiography when he describes being called out of retirement in 1940 to help manage war readiness in the Pacific. They 100% knew some confrontation was coming.

Whether Pearl Harbor was specifically known in detail, when and where, I have my doubts.

The parallel with 9/11 exists somewhat insofar as we knew who the enemy was and that an attack of some kind was essentially inevitable. Again, the facts of when and where that attack would be I doubt were known in significant detail by anyone with enough authority to react or prevent them. The attack being on U.S. soil and against civilians, and the degree of destruction was unprecedented.

While I am not particularly fond of Bush and crew (and trust that they are quite capable of deceit and Machiavellian manipulation), I find the idea that they knew the details beforehand and let it happen to be quite, quite absurd--bordering on paranoia.

Cheers.

Nysus · 01-22-2003, 10:04 PM

Funkito, I agree with you - just to mention though, I never mentioned that it was the same for September 11th, but it's always a possibility. The US economy wasn't doing wonderfully, and of course after September 11th, it hasn't recovered... and as history shows, war brings a huge boost to the economy... of course of the winning side.... Mind you, if the US goes in and destroys things, they will have to pay to rebuild them... At least the US government is supposed to.

Cheers,
Matt

PerfectionGirls · 01-22-2003, 10:05 PM

later

PerfectionGirls · 01-22-2003, 10:11 PM

Nysus · 01-22-2003, 10:22 PM

This is a discussion. Suggesting something does not mean it is how something happened. Btw, threatening someone is illegal, if you didn't know that.

Cheers,
Matt

stocktrader23 · 01-22-2003, 10:29 PM

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Originally posted by PerfectionGirls

So what you are saying is that MY goverment murdered 3 of my closest freinds on 9/11 one of which was my uncle? They sat back and allowed that to happen for the sake of OUR economy? Dude... good thing you are a counrty away right now. Very good thing.

Many people do believe our government allowed that. Not to say that you should believe they knew every detail etc. Many of the families of the victims are refusing the money offered by the government because they want to know the truth. Some things just don't add up and they aren't being answered truthfully. I could show you a few examples with a little digging but I doubt you want to see them if you haven't already. If you are really interested say so and I will post some URL's for you.

PerfectionGirls · 01-22-2003, 10:31 PM

Bye bye

Joe Sixpack · 01-22-2003, 10:50 PM

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Originally posted by PerfectionGirls
No threats man... You are talking about an event that happened to me and something that impacted my life and the life of my family forever. You are making light of it and if you had lost family members I would hope you would have had the same reaction as I did. You call it discussion I call it an assult on a situation you can only speculate on.

You lose three people in your life in a 3 minute time frame and lets see how you would react.

Maybe your choice of discussion offends people. This goes way beyond some dirty joke or some gfy slam.. This is personal. Seems any reasonable person could understand that.

If the discussion here offends you then either:

1. Leave
or
2. Don't read or respond to it.

And you're the one who made it personal.

PerfectionGirls · 01-22-2003, 10:58 PM

Cool... I will leave.

Joe Sixpack · 01-22-2003, 10:59 PM

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Originally posted by PerfectionGirls
Cool... I will leave.

Bye, bye...

mpegposter · 01-22-2003, 11:03 PM

Heard that old wives' tale about how the question at the end of the final exam in Japan's Naval Academy for over a decade was:

How would you orchestrate an attack on Pearl Harbor, Hawaii?

I paraphrased, but that's been going around for ages, I wouldn't doubt it either.

As to the FDR knowledge, it's entirely possible some brass wanted to get us into WW2 but I kind of doubt they set out to get a couple thousand sailors killed.

stocktrader23 · 01-22-2003, 11:12 PM

For anyone that wants to form their own opinion here is the url. If you want to skip the part leading up to it go to around 8:00 am on the timeline. It's alot to read but it gives newspaper sources for most of the statements made. Just something to read and understand why some of us don't trust our government or Bush 100%.

http://www.cooperativeresearch.org/c...linesept11.htm

deniska · 01-22-2003, 11:13 PM

US was aware of an atack but not aware of an atack on Perl Harbor.

PornoDoggy · 01-22-2003, 11:18 PM

Look ... this story about FDR knowing the attack was coming has been kicking around since the days after the attack. It found a home among the immediately discredited Isolationists, and it's never died. It doesn't suprise me that some morons would leap to the same conclusion about 9/11.

Smoke and mirrors ...

PerfectionGirls · 01-22-2003, 11:23 PM

Quote:

Look ... this story about FDR knowing the attack was coming has been kicking around since the days after the attack. It found a home among the immediately discredited Isolationists, and it's never died. It doesn't suprise me that some morons would leap to the same conclusion about 9/11.

Exactly!

dopeincorporated · 01-22-2003, 11:59 PM

I bought the book by Robert Stinnet, 'Day of Deciet, the Truth About FDR and Pearl Harbor'. He has very good arguments. In the beginning he notes that at that time, he would not question the administration's judgement for letting an attack occur, as there was an even greater threat of Nazi Germany. An isolationist U.S. would not support a foreign war without a direct attack. There are govt documents to prove that the U.S. completely provoked Japan to attack, and that we cracked Japan's 'purple code'. Geopolitical plans are not the easiest thing to reasearch. I have learned throughout my reasearch that leaders sometimes have to sacrafice some to save many. In other words, "the ends justify the means". My instinct believes some in the administration knew about Pearl Harbor, duh. As far as Sept. 11, I believe the same, it's just that I don't see a military force threatening our lifestyle. Maybe we just need to conquer the energy resources in that part of the world to remain the empire that we are. If that is that case, then proceed with caution and restraint. I love the U.S.A!

P.S. the game of power and politics is not pretty, just be glad you can voice your opinion like this.

FlyingIguana · 01-23-2003, 12:04 AM

they allowed these attacks to happen? complete bs. they might have had the info, but didn't pick up on it. you don't let an event like sept 11th occur, especially with the economic impact that it has had. use some common sense

Kimmykim · 01-23-2003, 12:08 AM

I quite believe that the US govt knew well in advance that Pearl Harbor was going to be bombed, and I think they decided the loss of life was worth it to get a country ready to go to war. The only way America was going further than lend-lease was to have a nation stirred up like a hornets nest and looking for revenge. Otherwise our troops would have waited to go over until there was an invasion on our soil elsewhere, which might not have happened. Churchill and FDR were both aware of Hitlers blinding ambitions, Stalins inability to be trusted -- both because he was who he was and because he most likely had a clue that his non agression pact with Hitler would only suit Hitler for so long -- evidenced by Germanys attack on Russia...

Ah well, the principals are all dead, and while you can research a topic to death, who knows what documents and proof have been destroyed and what survived that was fake...

dopeincorporated · 01-23-2003, 12:16 AM

FlyingIguana,

The economic impact was there before the attacks occured. I'm not saying that someone in the administration DEFINATELY knew, but it sure suits the needs of our country. The economy was in decline, nothing was going on, the tech boom popped. Now we have the biggest defense increase since, from what I remember WWII. (correct me if i'm wrong, but it's enormous) It helps our world strongarm, which in turn will help our economy. So, it could be a good thing. Again, I'm not saying they let it happen, but you and I are just normal people and will probably never know the real answer. To me, it makes sense both ways: letting it happen and not knowing at all. Wait 50 years, I should be around. Peace!

booker · 01-23-2003, 12:30 AM

If you believed every govt. conspiracy theory out there I think you're head would explode.

FlyingIguana · 01-23-2003, 12:30 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by dopeincorporated
FlyingIguana,

The economic impact was there before the attacks occured. I'm not saying that someone in the administration DEFINATELY knew, but it sure suits the needs of our country. The economy was in decline, nothing was going on, the tech boom popped. Now we have the biggest defense increase since, from what I remember WWII. (correct me if i'm wrong, but it's enormous) It helps our world strongarm, which in turn will help our economy. So, it could be a good thing. Again, I'm not saying they let it happen, but you and I are just normal people and will probably never know the real answer. To me, it makes sense both ways: letting it happen and not knowing at all. Wait 50 years, I should be around. Peace!

the travel industry got hit extremely hard as a result of sept 11th. new york wouldn't have been hit anywhere near as hard economically if it wasn't for the attack.

you don't need a large defense budget to boost the economy. you can take that money and use it more productively to help stimulate the economy.

dopeincorporated · 01-23-2003, 12:36 AM

You have good points, but the current events could be used as a power grab of the resources in that area. Energy is power, and that is were the 'defense' budget comes in handy. Nothing helps stimulate the economy than continued world domination over natural resources.

Kris · 01-23-2003, 12:37 AM

where's massivecock on this? rene - you gotta come up with something

FlyingIguana · 01-23-2003, 12:43 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by dopeincorporated
You have good points, but the current events could be used as a power grab of the resources in that area. Energy is power, and that is were the 'defense' budget comes in handy. Nothing helps stimulate the economy than continued world domination over natural resources.

a war on iraq would pump resource prices through the roof and could bring on a major recession.

dopeincorporated · 01-23-2003, 01:04 AM

yes, perhaps temporarily.
So you're saying war would be bad for the economy in the long run?

FlyingIguana · 01-23-2003, 09:09 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by dopeincorporated
yes, perhaps temporarily.
So you're saying war would be bad for the economy in the long run?

it would most likely cause a recession that lasts a few years.

View Poll Results: How many know that US Gov. knew about Pearl Harbour attack prior to it happening?
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01-22-2003, 08:30 PM	#1
Nysus Confirmed User Industry Role: Join Date: Aug 2001 Posts: 7,817	How many know that US Gov. knew about Pearl Harbour attack prior to it happening? That's the question. I have been having a discussion online with someone, who happens to be American, about what will happen with this whole Iraq thing. I brought up the point that the government may have allowed September 11th to happen, so they could get public votes towards taking action against Iraq. I also mentioned about Pearl Harbour attack being known, and that it could be the same. The person I was talking to mentioned that there are always conspiracies, and true there are, but I asked if they knew about the US government knowing about Pearl Harbout attack before it happened, and they never heard of that before. So I found a site and grabbed this bit of text out of the first long paragraph... I'm curious to see what Americans/other people know about Pearl Harbour.. Here's the text... You can do a search on Google and find a lot.. "Using documents pried loose through the Freedom of Information Act during 17 years of research, Stinnett provides overwhelming evidence that FDR and his top advisers knew that Japanese warships were heading toward Hawaii. The heart of his argument is even more inflammatory: Stinnett argues that FDR, who desired to sway public opinion in support of U.S. entry into WWII, instigated a policy intended to provoke a Japanese attack. The plan was outlined in a U.S. Naval Intelligence secret strategy memo of October 1940; Roosevelt immediately began implementing its eight steps (which included deploying U.S. warships in Japanese territorial waters and imposing a total embargo intended to strangle Japan's economy), all of which, according to Stinnett, climaxed in the Japanese attack. Stinnett, a decorated naval veteran of WWII who served under then Lt. George Bush, substantiates his charges with a wealth of persuasive documents, including many government and military memos and transcripts. Demolishing the myth that the Japanese fleet maintained strict radio silence, he shows that several Japanese naval broadcasts, intercepted by American cryptographers in the 10 days before December 7, confirmed that Japan intended to start the war at Pearl Harbor." Forgot to post URL where I grabbed that text from... http://militarybooks.tripod.com/html...arlharbour.htm Cheers, Matt __________________ What name is pr0 / Untouched Markets using these days? Untouched Markets - pr0 - Refund My Money Now Someone owes me $2,000 because they didn't do any work that was paid for pointing at pr0 / William / UntouchedMarkets See https://gfy.com/fucking-around-and-business-discussion/948258-untouchedmarkets-pr0-refund-money-post16744521.html and for more detailed see https://gfy.com/fucking-around-and-business-discussion/948645-re-recent-bullshit-drama-explained-detail-pr0-untouched-markets.html Last edited by Nysus; 01-22-2003 at 08:36 PM..

01-22-2003, 08:36 PM	#3
Nysus Confirmed User Industry Role: Join Date: Aug 2001 Posts: 7,817	No, I don't like MrPopup from the threads he started... He could be a nice person, though I don't know.. Cheers, Matt __________________ What name is pr0 / Untouched Markets using these days? Untouched Markets - pr0 - Refund My Money Now Someone owes me $2,000 because they didn't do any work that was paid for pointing at pr0 / William / UntouchedMarkets See https://gfy.com/fucking-around-and-business-discussion/948258-untouchedmarkets-pr0-refund-money-post16744521.html and for more detailed see https://gfy.com/fucking-around-and-business-discussion/948645-re-recent-bullshit-drama-explained-detail-pr0-untouched-markets.html

01-22-2003, 08:47 PM	#4
Nysus Confirmed User Industry Role: Join Date: Aug 2001 Posts: 7,817	So... None of you care that your government let a lot of marines die, just to have an excuse to join a war? Are you just lazy, not there, or just being ignorant? I'm not trying to start a bitch war, I just am honestly curious. I'm just guessing none of you will answer No anyways... sigh Cheers, Matt __________________ What name is pr0 / Untouched Markets using these days? Untouched Markets - pr0 - Refund My Money Now Someone owes me $2,000 because they didn't do any work that was paid for pointing at pr0 / William / UntouchedMarkets See https://gfy.com/fucking-around-and-business-discussion/948258-untouchedmarkets-pr0-refund-money-post16744521.html and for more detailed see https://gfy.com/fucking-around-and-business-discussion/948645-re-recent-bullshit-drama-explained-detail-pr0-untouched-markets.html

01-22-2003, 08:59 PM	#7
PerfectionGirls Too lazy to set a custom title Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: MI Posts: 4,484	I love it how people get bits of information and piece together a story out of it. Half truths make for interesting propaganda, but that's about it. Read the very well documented history of that day and the weeks leading up to it. If you do, you will see that we most certainly were NOT aware of the situation at hand. There were warning signs, but those "signs" could have ment a thousand different possiblities. Least of which was an attack on Pearl Harbor. Lame __________________ SIG TOO BIG! Maximum 120x60 button and no more than 3 text lines of DEFAULT SIZE and COLOR. Unless your sig is for a GFY top banner sponsor, then you may use a 624x80 instead of a 120x60.

01-22-2003, 08:32 PM	#2
jammyjenkins So Fucking Banned Join Date: Feb 2002 Posts: 1,371	Are you MrPopup in disguise?

01-22-2003, 09:15 PM	#9
Captain Canada Confirmed User Join Date: Jun 2002 Posts: 469	Omar Bradley was one of the biggest proponents of the US getting into the war - there is no doubt the US new about the attack before it happened - not even worth arguing about. Sept 11 - I would doubt it, but you never know.

01-22-2003, 09:34 PM	#10
Nysus Confirmed User Industry Role: Join Date: Aug 2001 Posts: 7,817	PerfectionGirls - Not related to Pearl Harbour, but could you tell me why 3 top nations in the world wenton full air/military alert 3 days running up to September 11th? The US government did nothing?... Cheers, Matt __________________ What name is pr0 / Untouched Markets using these days? Untouched Markets - pr0 - Refund My Money Now Someone owes me $2,000 because they didn't do any work that was paid for pointing at pr0 / William / UntouchedMarkets See https://gfy.com/fucking-around-and-business-discussion/948258-untouchedmarkets-pr0-refund-money-post16744521.html and for more detailed see https://gfy.com/fucking-around-and-business-discussion/948645-re-recent-bullshit-drama-explained-detail-pr0-untouched-markets.html

01-22-2003, 09:37 PM	#11
Nysus Confirmed User Industry Role: Join Date: Aug 2001 Posts: 7,817	NoCarrier, are you that out-of-it to have missed the point of my reply? And don't mock me. Cheers, Matt __________________ What name is pr0 / Untouched Markets using these days? Untouched Markets - pr0 - Refund My Money Now Someone owes me $2,000 because they didn't do any work that was paid for pointing at pr0 / William / UntouchedMarkets See https://gfy.com/fucking-around-and-business-discussion/948258-untouchedmarkets-pr0-refund-money-post16744521.html and for more detailed see https://gfy.com/fucking-around-and-business-discussion/948645-re-recent-bullshit-drama-explained-detail-pr0-untouched-markets.html

01-22-2003, 09:44 PM	#13
bristol Registered User Join Date: Dec 2002 Posts: 61	hey matt I know who you are from like 3 years ago :}

01-22-2003, 09:50 PM	#15
bristol Registered User Join Date: Dec 2002 Posts: 61	would be nice if you told me what it was. ;}

01-22-2003, 09:53 PM	#16
Nysus Confirmed User Industry Role: Join Date: Aug 2001 Posts: 7,817	Odd. It used to be in my profile.. Now I'm paranoid though. Sadly, you are most likely just some idiot who's going to message bomb me... Just PM me your ICQ or something... That'll work.. Cheers, Matt __________________ What name is pr0 / Untouched Markets using these days? Untouched Markets - pr0 - Refund My Money Now Someone owes me $2,000 because they didn't do any work that was paid for pointing at pr0 / William / UntouchedMarkets See https://gfy.com/fucking-around-and-business-discussion/948258-untouchedmarkets-pr0-refund-money-post16744521.html and for more detailed see https://gfy.com/fucking-around-and-business-discussion/948645-re-recent-bullshit-drama-explained-detail-pr0-untouched-markets.html

01-22-2003, 09:56 PM	#17
bristol Registered User Join Date: Dec 2002 Posts: 61	i just checked #blah and you werent there.. i cant be bothered to install icq again, you got another chan? ;}

01-22-2003, 09:58 PM	#18
Nysus Confirmed User Industry Role: Join Date: Aug 2001 Posts: 7,817	I guess I won't PM you.. Send me an email.. [email protected] Cheers, Matt __________________ What name is pr0 / Untouched Markets using these days? Untouched Markets - pr0 - Refund My Money Now Someone owes me $2,000 because they didn't do any work that was paid for pointing at pr0 / William / UntouchedMarkets See https://gfy.com/fucking-around-and-business-discussion/948258-untouchedmarkets-pr0-refund-money-post16744521.html and for more detailed see https://gfy.com/fucking-around-and-business-discussion/948645-re-recent-bullshit-drama-explained-detail-pr0-untouched-markets.html

01-22-2003, 09:59 PM	#19
Funkito Registered User Join Date: Oct 2002 Posts: 92	War was expected with Japan and planned for. A fact that supports this can be found in Douglas MacArthur's autobiography when he describes being called out of retirement in 1940 to help manage war readiness in the Pacific. They 100% knew some confrontation was coming. Whether Pearl Harbor was specifically known in detail, when and where, I have my doubts. The parallel with 9/11 exists somewhat insofar as we knew who the enemy was and that an attack of some kind was essentially inevitable. Again, the facts of when and where that attack would be I doubt were known in significant detail by anyone with enough authority to react or prevent them. The attack being on U.S. soil and against civilians, and the degree of destruction was unprecedented. While I am not particularly fond of Bush and crew (and trust that they are quite capable of deceit and Machiavellian manipulation), I find the idea that they knew the details beforehand and let it happen to be quite, quite absurd--bordering on paranoia. Cheers.

01-22-2003, 10:04 PM	#20
Nysus Confirmed User Industry Role: Join Date: Aug 2001 Posts: 7,817	Funkito, I agree with you - just to mention though, I never mentioned that it was the same for September 11th, but it's always a possibility. The US economy wasn't doing wonderfully, and of course after September 11th, it hasn't recovered... and as history shows, war brings a huge boost to the economy... of course of the winning side.... Mind you, if the US goes in and destroys things, they will have to pay to rebuild them... At least the US government is supposed to. Cheers, Matt __________________ What name is pr0 / Untouched Markets using these days? Untouched Markets - pr0 - Refund My Money Now Someone owes me $2,000 because they didn't do any work that was paid for pointing at pr0 / William / UntouchedMarkets See https://gfy.com/fucking-around-and-business-discussion/948258-untouchedmarkets-pr0-refund-money-post16744521.html and for more detailed see https://gfy.com/fucking-around-and-business-discussion/948645-re-recent-bullshit-drama-explained-detail-pr0-untouched-markets.html

01-22-2003, 10:05 PM	#21
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01-22-2003, 10:11 PM	#22
PerfectionGirls Too lazy to set a custom title Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: MI Posts: 4,484	__________________ SIG TOO BIG! Maximum 120x60 button and no more than 3 text lines of DEFAULT SIZE and COLOR. Unless your sig is for a GFY top banner sponsor, then you may use a 624x80 instead of a 120x60. Last edited by PerfectionGirls; 01-22-2003 at 11:03 PM..

01-22-2003, 10:22 PM	#23
Nysus Confirmed User Industry Role: Join Date: Aug 2001 Posts: 7,817	This is a discussion. Suggesting something does not mean it is how something happened. Btw, threatening someone is illegal, if you didn't know that. Cheers, Matt __________________ What name is pr0 / Untouched Markets using these days? Untouched Markets - pr0 - Refund My Money Now Someone owes me $2,000 because they didn't do any work that was paid for pointing at pr0 / William / UntouchedMarkets See https://gfy.com/fucking-around-and-business-discussion/948258-untouchedmarkets-pr0-refund-money-post16744521.html and for more detailed see https://gfy.com/fucking-around-and-business-discussion/948645-re-recent-bullshit-drama-explained-detail-pr0-untouched-markets.html

01-22-2003, 10:31 PM	#25
PerfectionGirls Too lazy to set a custom title Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: MI Posts: 4,484	Bye bye __________________ SIG TOO BIG! Maximum 120x60 button and no more than 3 text lines of DEFAULT SIZE and COLOR. Unless your sig is for a GFY top banner sponsor, then you may use a 624x80 instead of a 120x60. Last edited by PerfectionGirls; 01-22-2003 at 11:02 PM..

01-22-2003, 10:58 PM	#27
PerfectionGirls Too lazy to set a custom title Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: MI Posts: 4,484	Cool... I will leave. __________________ SIG TOO BIG! Maximum 120x60 button and no more than 3 text lines of DEFAULT SIZE and COLOR. Unless your sig is for a GFY top banner sponsor, then you may use a 624x80 instead of a 120x60.

01-22-2003, 11:03 PM	#29
mpegposter Confirmed User Join Date: Dec 2002 Location: Tri-State Posts: 483	Heard that old wives' tale about how the question at the end of the final exam in Japan's Naval Academy for over a decade was: How would you orchestrate an attack on Pearl Harbor, Hawaii? I paraphrased, but that's been going around for ages, I wouldn't doubt it either. As to the FDR knowledge, it's entirely possible some brass wanted to get us into WW2 but I kind of doubt they set out to get a couple thousand sailors killed. __________________ The voice of the Moral Minority. New Sponsor Converting Like Hell!

01-22-2003, 11:12 PM	#30
stocktrader23 Let's do some business. Industry Role: Join Date: Jan 2003 Location: The dirty south. Posts: 18,781	For anyone that wants to form their own opinion here is the url. If you want to skip the part leading up to it go to around 8:00 am on the timeline. It's alot to read but it gives newspaper sources for most of the statements made. Just something to read and understand why some of us don't trust our government or Bush 100%. http://www.cooperativeresearch.org/c...linesept11.htm __________________ Hands Free Adult - Join Once, Earn For Life "I try to make a habit of bouncing my eyes up to the face of a beautiful woman, and often repeat “not mine” in my head or even verbally. She’s not mine. God has her set aside. She’s not mine. She’s His little girl, and she needs me to fight for her by keeping my eyes where they should be."

01-22-2003, 11:13 PM	#31
deniska Confirmed User Industry Role: Join Date: Mar 2001 Location: Miami Beach, FL Posts: 1,053	US was aware of an atack but not aware of an atack on Perl Harbor.

01-22-2003, 11:18 PM	#32
PornoDoggy Confirmed User Join Date: Jun 2002 Posts: 1,053	Look ... this story about FDR knowing the attack was coming has been kicking around since the days after the attack. It found a home among the immediately discredited Isolationists, and it's never died. It doesn't suprise me that some morons would leap to the same conclusion about 9/11. Smoke and mirrors ...

01-22-2003, 11:59 PM	#34
dopeincorporated Registered User Join Date: Jan 2003 Location: Durham, NC Posts: 23	I bought the book by Robert Stinnet, 'Day of Deciet, the Truth About FDR and Pearl Harbor'. He has very good arguments. In the beginning he notes that at that time, he would not question the administration's judgement for letting an attack occur, as there was an even greater threat of Nazi Germany. An isolationist U.S. would not support a foreign war without a direct attack. There are govt documents to prove that the U.S. completely provoked Japan to attack, and that we cracked Japan's 'purple code'. Geopolitical plans are not the easiest thing to reasearch. I have learned throughout my reasearch that leaders sometimes have to sacrafice some to save many. In other words, "the ends justify the means". My instinct believes some in the administration knew about Pearl Harbor, duh. As far as Sept. 11, I believe the same, it's just that I don't see a military force threatening our lifestyle. Maybe we just need to conquer the energy resources in that part of the world to remain the empire that we are. If that is that case, then proceed with caution and restraint. I love the U.S.A! P.S. the game of power and politics is not pretty, just be glad you can voice your opinion like this.

01-23-2003, 12:04 AM	#35
FlyingIguana aspiring banker Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: toronto Posts: 10,870	they allowed these attacks to happen? complete bs. they might have had the info, but didn't pick up on it. you don't let an event like sept 11th occur, especially with the economic impact that it has had. use some common sense

01-23-2003, 12:08 AM	#36
Kimmykim bitchslapping zebras!!!!! Industry Role: Join Date: Jun 2001 Location: In a shack by the beach Posts: 16,015	I quite believe that the US govt knew well in advance that Pearl Harbor was going to be bombed, and I think they decided the loss of life was worth it to get a country ready to go to war. The only way America was going further than lend-lease was to have a nation stirred up like a hornets nest and looking for revenge. Otherwise our troops would have waited to go over until there was an invasion on our soil elsewhere, which might not have happened. Churchill and FDR were both aware of Hitlers blinding ambitions, Stalins inability to be trusted -- both because he was who he was and because he most likely had a clue that his non agression pact with Hitler would only suit Hitler for so long -- evidenced by Germanys attack on Russia... Ah well, the principals are all dead, and while you can research a topic to death, who knows what documents and proof have been destroyed and what survived that was fake...

01-23-2003, 12:16 AM	#37
dopeincorporated Registered User Join Date: Jan 2003 Location: Durham, NC Posts: 23	FlyingIguana, The economic impact was there before the attacks occured. I'm not saying that someone in the administration DEFINATELY knew, but it sure suits the needs of our country. The economy was in decline, nothing was going on, the tech boom popped. Now we have the biggest defense increase since, from what I remember WWII. (correct me if i'm wrong, but it's enormous) It helps our world strongarm, which in turn will help our economy. So, it could be a good thing. Again, I'm not saying they let it happen, but you and I are just normal people and will probably never know the real answer. To me, it makes sense both ways: letting it happen and not knowing at all. Wait 50 years, I should be around. Peace!

01-23-2003, 12:30 AM	#38
booker Confirmed User Join Date: Jul 2002 Location: Baltimore Posts: 1,370	If you believed every govt. conspiracy theory out there I think you're head would explode. __________________ Xanadu024 (aim) or 286785389 (icq) "Hard work beats talent when talent doesn't work hard."

01-23-2003, 12:36 AM	#40
dopeincorporated Registered User Join Date: Jan 2003 Location: Durham, NC Posts: 23	You have good points, but the current events could be used as a power grab of the resources in that area. Energy is power, and that is were the 'defense' budget comes in handy. Nothing helps stimulate the economy than continued world domination over natural resources.

01-23-2003, 12:37 AM	#41
Kris Confirmed User Industry Role: Join Date: Apr 2002 Posts: 940	where's massivecock on this? rene - you gotta come up with something __________________ I am the walrus.

01-23-2003, 01:04 AM	#43
dopeincorporated Registered User Join Date: Jan 2003 Location: Durham, NC Posts: 23	yes, perhaps temporarily. So you're saying war would be bad for the economy in the long run?