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02-27-2011, 01:17 PM | #201 |
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can't wait to see this quality of videos on the brazzers network.
http://www.youjizz.com/videos/paul-m...me-183889.html could revolutionize the biz. |
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That's worth 9,000 times more than Nathan is offering.
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I'd love to understand how that video is any better than a _brazzers_ video, lol...
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So anyway, where are we with this?
Fabien offered Paul what he wanted for the shoot. Paul hasn't got modern enough kit, but will borrow it from someone. So when is it happening? |
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I will keep you all posted...
Once I have details on the scene I will let you know...
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Yes exactly $0.00 What matter is what the 2 scenes sold for. In the 7 years since we shot the 2 scenes sales of each set and video and each set exceeded 100 each. ! set @ $45, 1 @ $40, 1 video and set at $70 and 1 at $80. OK we now sell scenes or sets for $30, not a set and a video. 100 x 4 $30. That's $12,000 at today budget prices. That would make it $23,500. Plus blow outs a nice income from non exclusive. Plus magazines, plus DVD. that day easily cleared $25,000. Remember non exclusive is saturated and you can't do that without selling it. And magazine first rights is $5000 a set. Second rights will probably make $2,500. DVD is all money on top. And we still sell the content. And that what pays out bills even today after not shooting for 2.5 years. I woke up with a fever and feel like shit so don't accuse me of running off. I'm going back to bed soon, just need to send a few orders and update the sites. |
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We really have such different definitions of the word retire.
My definition means you stop working. What does yours mean? |
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My definition means you make something look good, worth having or using. What does yours mean? Looking like a broke loser isn't even close. http://vimeo.com/13411050 |
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02-28-2011, 12:41 PM | #211 |
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Stop typing and start shooting something.
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02-28-2011, 12:59 PM | #212 |
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Stop shooting and start typing.
I will never be able to shoot something this good. Thankfully, I want to make money. Not get a disease. You should put your mask on the girls. |
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And let's see how many porn consumers have heard of BVF vs. Paul Markham?... Back in like '02 when I met you, I had a modicum of respect for you....But now, you're a has been who has been eclipsed by any chump with a camera and an internet connection.....Congrats.
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Who gives a fuck about people knowing my name? But with my name is 100,000s of magazines every month for decades I would say more know my name than yours. In fact no one knows your name. Only your nick. Do you ever show your face in your films? But who cares, it's about $$$$ not ego. Try being less arrogant. Don't remember meeting you, must of been one of the numerous people I met who I never bothered to remember. I do remember seeing some really fat guy in a BVF T Shirt who looked like he had a few too many fried chicken dinners. That sofa in the top picture features in a lot of your pictures, is it your home? Also a lot of the same location shots from what I assume is your home, on the site. |
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Also, years ago when I saw you at the show, I didn't tell you who I was..I was new to the game and I didn't want to just yap to any tom, dick and harry about it...I didn't want you to know nor remember me so don't feel bad about not remembering...I just happened to see you on the floor and said hello to a dude who ALSO wasn't using his real name had the nickname of "charly" back then...So if there was a really fat guy wearing a BVF T Shirt walking around, then I must commend him because he must have been a big fan since I've NEVER even created a BVF T-shirt...Also, if you remember him, then indirectly, you remembered ME without me even having to be there.....Plus, I've been exercising for a couple of years so I'm rather sexy and muscular and healthy as a fucking horse these days I don't need to show my face, as my dick is sufficient to make me some money.
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I rarely make it to page 5 of a thread, but you really get to see who someone is deep down inside. Seems like the more pages a thread gets to the more respect is lost for the people still posting in it because it turns into some name calling match.
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And today because of the Adult Internet's policy of giving things they try to sell, away for free. It's decimated. The Adult Internet has never made the money the other parts of the porn industry made and only fools itself it does. Don't you realise that I'm not having a go at the current cameramen in the trenches. I'm having a go at SPONSORS paying them so little. Don't you think it ironic in a time of falling sales, because the product isn't worth buying, Fabian can think he's a great payer paying $666.66 for a set and video scene outright? Mutt said his price is $500 to supply the scene. The present shooters have to suck it up. Of the magazines and video sides of porn. I'm the ONLY producer from the other sides of the business who has supplied his content direct to the Adult Internet and not only via a site. To my knowledge NO other freelance successful shooter has done the same. Maybe a few on a one off deal. The reason still is simple. Even in todays market the Internet doesn't pay enough. Still today the top guys will not work for what is paid here. Do they not prize top content high enough or not able to pay well enough? I think for many they can't afford it. For the few who can afford it, content isn't a high priority. Much better to load a site with low quality, sell it to affiliates and get 1,000 hits on a sample and maybe 1 sale. Manwin will pay me $3,000 and I will shoot the scene. Do I care if it's good enough? Not really ego isn't something that you or I can spend. $3,000 I can spend. Do I care if everyone listens to my advice? No. Because years ago I said going down the road you were was destined to harm the business. Quote:
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The Adult Internet is in decline, the balance has been tipped between free and paid. It's now better for so many to not pay than it is for a few to pay. Throughout the 10 years I've been here the only numbers that people talked about was the number of site visits to sales. Very few would quote the number of consumers to the number of sales. That's the number of people looking at a TGP gallery or today the number of views on a tube video. They are all porn consumers. Sadly today 0.001% are buyers. Yes if a Tube converts on visits at 1-1,000. How many views does it need to get 1,000 to click the banner? Go to Pornhub to see the real ratios. In the beginning no one could afford to give away that much free porn. Today they can, so they will. In the times that people ridicule, men had to buy to jerk off to porn 99% of the time. Even pirated videos cost the price of the tape. Today it costs nothing to view porn 24 hours and never pay. The only solution lies inside the paysites. Not in putting up more free porn. For the flamers. Today I feel a lot better. Last night I was very sick and must of eaten something Sunday that really upset my stomach and given me a fever. |
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So, you're fucking horribly wrong either way. Still, for a man that lies every day on the internet I'm not surprised. Liar. |
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Isee it as ramblings of a drunk who thinks looking stupid is cool and who lives in a dump. My mistake, sorry for that. My job is "Photographer and Managing Director" from that I'm officially invalided. Which you flamed me for doing as I'm so rich. And then you flamed me for being broke. Which one is it? Doing a few updates on the site isn't real work. Posting is a hobby. Retired officially isn't my title. Retired from real work is just a term for a person who does very little. Eva is not sole owner and runner of the company. It takes her a few hours a week. |
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Fabian, when you gonna pay him? This porn needs to be seen! Check out this example to whet your appetite http://www.tubecat.com/euro-teens-cl...42_f93e_2.html Ooh, so sexy. This is how you show girls not faking it at all. They don't look uncomfortable in the least. WELL DONE PAUL! I vote you do a masterclass at XBiz London. (Or they can book you to do it and give you free tickets, you can then boast about getting free tickets, and then not bother doing the talk and then boast about that too, just like you did about AOE!). |
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I've just remembered my mistake. Michael Ancher is also supplying content to websites. Now if Twistys and Only Tease wanted to go real top end there's the guy they need. Been my hero for decades and love his work. Learned I was wasting my time trying to go into that market and could never compete with him.
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You pretend to be retired, yet state you were doing site updates and sending out shit to 'clients' yesterday. Which is it? Are you retired, so rich in your palace you don't need to worry about anything, and just post here to annoy people because it amuses you? Are you pretending to be ill to sponge money from the Prague government? Obviously still doing site updates and generating money from your members, but at the same time taking state handouts from as a foreigner? Or are you not retired, desperate for money because you don't have any credit or bank cards and trying to sell old pictures you have admitted yourself are not good enough anymore for 60 bucks to pay some bills? I imagine the government would take a different view. In the UK there is a dedicated phone number you can call to grass people up that are benefit frauds. Is there similar in Prague? Quote:
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Paul's mistake simply lies in the fact that he thinks the market is declining
But oh well..
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It's not about "Bro" points, it's about $$$$$. Could I of shot something better than Eva? Yes she was too lax with the girls. And to be honest I was always telling her. But we made money that day and it illustrates my point about faking. Too much of it is happening and considering what we pay girls we should tell them flat to do it properly or cum for real with some noise or fuck off home. But the industry continues to churn out the same average content in the belief if we get enough clicks it will sell. Quote:
The problem of doing a master class is the first thing people have to learn is you can't shoot GOOD porn on a shoestring budget and if you could, YOU WON'T, because others will pay more. When you can shoot the level of Viv Thomas, Bill Wright, Jack Harrison, Steve Perry and more you go where the money is. Like me. Why didn't I shoot custom? The sponsors couldn't match what I earned elsewhere. It's about $$$$$ |
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I would love you to show how the industry isn't declining. You're clueless about what this industry used to make. And where's the script and money? Need to get moving on this as I can only manage a few hours a day without a nap. |
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No idea, you said you were doing it. But I find it hard to keep up with your lies. Quote:
I was labouring under the clearly wrong assumption that when you post telling people how to make good porn, that you actually made good porn. I'd never seen one of your films before that pirated clip. With the above quote about it being about the money and after having watched the content, I see crystal clear now. Thanks for the clarification. Quote:
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Paul, the industry is not declining, the industry might be moving away from magazines and DVDs, but it is far from declining...
Regarding the script and money.. slow down, you will get the script once we have chosen one, and you will get the money once we signed a contract...
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If you found PornBeer funny, I think I'd give up doing it. There are target markets you see, and Pseudo-Retired Internet Liar isn't high up the demog I was going after. Right, so you lied about being retired then. Cool. So the docs in Prague give you a sick note saying "Paul Markham is not allowed to work due to ill health, please give him state handouts. Oh yes, we know he makes 20k* a month from his great teen website, plus whatever from the content store, but that's cool. Give him a bit more cash, he's a nice guy". Brilliant! No wonder you moved there. Nothing to do with the reason everyone thinks. What do you think flame means Paul? You continually misuse the word. Quote:
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let me catch up here. .. .
Fabian (nathan) has offered markham the chance to shoot for brazzers? or have i misunderstood ? |
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Today the increase in traffic from core countries has leveled off and does not make up for the increase in traffic to free sites. Everyone who has posted about ratios has posted they a now far worse than they use to and actually getting traffic for many is harder. I have yet to see any proof from you, just words. In truth no one really knows and I doubt if CCBILL or Epoch would tell someone like Damian or even you. How about we try a poll on a few boards asking people to vote for their best year in porn? And whether their income is in the decline, ascend or level. But then we would have to know what it was in the first place. Thanks for explaining about the shoot. Can you explain it to BVF. He seems to think I should be shooting it. Quote:
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I would have thought the billing companies would know? No?
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So if understand correctly...
Nathan is paying for it and writing the script Paul is shooting it Damian will Market it. They will all get drunk at the end of shoot party and kiss and make up.... |
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Paul is pretending to be retired, whilst trolling GFY to get sig views in order to sell the old content that he said, and I quote, "isn't good enough anymore" and thought if he pretended he would shoot for Fabien it would develop into a 5 page thread with 3k plus views and some poor newb might click his sig and buy his 19 HD vids for 150 bucks. Makes out like he is an idiot, but is actually a marketing genius. He has no intention of actually doing it, he hates Fabien and all he stands for. He hates his organisation. It would be hilarious to think of him shooting for Fabian. Anyone that reads GFY knows that. So, he pretends he will, gets all the views, then will say "LOL NOT REALLY HAHAHA". It's very good trolling. We can all learn something. |
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markham, you trolling or you gonna shoot the script?
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To the best of my limited capabilities.
As no one has replied to my challenge re the size of the industry, here's a clue. A little while back, someone bought Manwin for $110,000,000 Do you think Paul Raymond Publications, LFP, Goldstar, Swank, Crescent, Score, David Sullivan's porn company, Northern & Shell, Private, Penthouse, Playboy, Vivid, Wicked, Evil Angel and more would of sold for that figure? And please no flame about times gone by. They were doing fine until the Internet decided it was better to give it away for free. The Adult Internet will NEVER make up for the hole it created. Now think back to what Lensman sold his porn empire for. Nice for him. But this was in the good old days and it sold in business terms for very little. Even in the porn world. Overall the industry is shrinking, even on the Internet regarding paysites it's shrinking. Whether that shrinkage will be taken up by dating and cams is anyones guess. |
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also, just a thought.... maybe the girls can be eve laurence and amy reid, or even nessa devil and i can be the male star? just a thought!
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I think this better than anything SO FAR in this thread shows the industry growth. The biggest biller has suffered over the last 2 years and no others have taken up the loss. Not even Epoch. |
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I expect even if I produce the most outstanding porn scene ever most will flame me. I'm in a lose, lose situation. Why am I doing it? $3,000 spends in the shops. Bro points doesn't. ***************************************** Either I'm bad at explaining myself or people won't see it. Over all the industry for paid porn is down. Not cams or dating. Paid action porn that has been the main money maker for decades. Instead of looking at the models of the other parts of the porn industry and seeing where they got it right and where they got it wrong and what cause their massive decline. This industry carried on in isolation. What brought down a lot of porn companies was filling the shelves with cheap content, in the belief that the more titles the more revenue. Didn't happen. These label/brands lost customer loyalty. The best brands picked it up. The other real harm was free porn on the Internet. The magazines couldn't really compete overall. A few have stayed and will go eventually, but the only thing that kept them was customer loyalty. Putting up more and more sites with low to average level quality porn has 2 effects. It makes it easier for a competitor to open a porn site and loses retention and customer loyalty. Adding more and more free porn to the Internet teaches people not to spend. Learn from others, their mistakes and their achievements. |
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Both Brighton and Brno are very nice towns. Anyone leaving there should be happy. It required a considerable amount of technical skill to produce pictures for magazines back in the days of film, had to be shot on colour reversal slide material, with little tolerance for poor exposure. Damian is very talented with words. A sofa is no quide to a persons worth. Who cares if someone is succesful, rich or poor, makes moneys or doesn't - is that how we judge our friends? |
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paul.. using ccbill.com is a bad idea since bill.ccbill.com is the actual join page, which is the only domain that matters, that graph does not show you that...
With epoch though, the domain for the join page is wnu.com .... check that one on alexa ;) And your comparison with Paul Raymond Publications, LFP, Goldstar, Swank, Crescent, Score, David Sullivan's porn company, Northern & Shell, Private, Penthouse, Playboy, Vivid, Wicked, Evil Angel is rather funny... I would say only 2 of those are close to our size: LFP and Playboy. Every other one is BY FAR smaller than us. Both employee and revenue wise. You really do not get our size Paul, sorry... You are comparing apples and oranges here..
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Some more interesting stats.
And it doesn't take a genius to see where the customers are going. No industry can withstand traffic loss like that for long. But I'm wrong because I'm too old. |
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Getting the exposure right was a little harder on film than digital, which was why we used light meters. The most important thing with light was reflected light, if the light bounced back into the lens it made the pictures look diffused and wouldn't print properly. The main reason that few came into this market was bad business or unable. Unable to get the framing, poses and the looks right. Quote:
Who cares? The people at the shops. Quote:
I have no doubt Manwin is the biggest now. But never the biggest ever. And the Adult Internet isn't making anything like the money the other avenues of porn made. I doubt if you know who some of those companies are, so how can you tell? Go search the Internet first. And do some calculations. Remember offline porn would of sold more than online porn because it was more stable. As everyone says, the Internet moves fast and can change in a matter of months. People don't pay for future earnings with online business like they do offline business. It's to hazardous. wnu.com They have grown, just not enough to take up the loss from CCBILL. Also I missed some of the other big European porn houses. Brazzers traffic has dropped from 0.25% to 0.15% in 2 y3ears. Not a good indication. And neither is the growth in Tube traffic. Remember what I said in a few years time. Ignore it today at your peril. |
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