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UnseenWorld · 10-11-2002, 09:55 PM

Mika wrote:

a. Why do American consider themselves to be any more free than other Western people?

My reply is:

Because we ARE more free than most, though not all other peoples. I know for a fact that people in The Netherlands have more personal freedom than Americans, if you don't count gun ownership as a freedom.

I can't comment on Finland...I know very little about it, except that it's so cold up there in the winter I probably won't bother.

Mika wrote:

Tell me, exactly, how do small arab/whatever countries threaten your PERSONAL freedom? We can't be so mislead that we think that a guy like Osama could take away the freedom of the whole American nation, can we? Yes, you could claim that two planes hitting twin towers took away the freedom of the people who died, but why does it have to be a foreign threat when it is considered a threat to freedom? Crime and drugs kill more people than any fucking terrorist ever will, but domestic issues like these are not threats to freedom.

My reply is:

Americans have the only Constitution which has "the pursuit of happiness" as an "inalienable right." We count the ability to go about our business securely and happily as a real and essential aspect of our freedom.

I'm not aware that Pres. Bush is making a case that terrorism is a threat to our freedom (though evidently his response to it is making some inroads against our freedoms). Rather, he is making the case that our security is threatened by some Muslim states (Iran is a Muslim state but not an Arab state), who are encouraging and/or financing and/or providing useful technologies to terrorists.

The day when one person could kill at most a few dozen people is obviously over. Less than a half dozen terrorists killed nearly 3,000 people in New York with an expenditure of a few tens of thousands of dollars. By contrast, an intercontinental nuclear missile can cost tens of millions of $.

We live in the age of the briefcase A-bomb. Bombs even more powerful than the ones used on Hiroshima and Nagasaki don't even need a missile for delivery. They can be brought into the country on a small boat in the dead of night and driven to New York, or Miami; Cleveland or St. Louis; Los Angeles or Seattle.

The point is, these people need to be stopped before things go that far.

Don't tell me Finland wouldn't do the same if it were so threatened and had the means to do so.

10-11-2002, 09:55 PM
UnseenWorld Confirmed User Join Date: May 2001 Location: Portland, OR, USA Posts: 5,279	Mika wrote: a. Why do American consider themselves to be any more free than other Western people? My reply is: Because we ARE more free than most, though not all other peoples. I know for a fact that people in The Netherlands have more personal freedom than Americans, if you don't count gun ownership as a freedom. I can't comment on Finland...I know very little about it, except that it's so cold up there in the winter I probably won't bother. Mika wrote: Tell me, exactly, how do small arab/whatever countries threaten your PERSONAL freedom? We can't be so mislead that we think that a guy like Osama could take away the freedom of the whole American nation, can we? Yes, you could claim that two planes hitting twin towers took away the freedom of the people who died, but why does it have to be a foreign threat when it is considered a threat to freedom? Crime and drugs kill more people than any fucking terrorist ever will, but domestic issues like these are not threats to freedom. My reply is: Americans have the only Constitution which has "the pursuit of happiness" as an "inalienable right." We count the ability to go about our business securely and happily as a real and essential aspect of our freedom. I'm not aware that Pres. Bush is making a case that terrorism is a threat to our freedom (though evidently his response to it is making some inroads against our freedoms). Rather, he is making the case that our security is threatened by some Muslim states (Iran is a Muslim state but not an Arab state), who are encouraging and/or financing and/or providing useful technologies to terrorists. The day when one person could kill at most a few dozen people is obviously over. Less than a half dozen terrorists killed nearly 3,000 people in New York with an expenditure of a few tens of thousands of dollars. By contrast, an intercontinental nuclear missile can cost tens of millions of $. We live in the age of the briefcase A-bomb. Bombs even more powerful than the ones used on Hiroshima and Nagasaki don't even need a missile for delivery. They can be brought into the country on a small boat in the dead of night and driven to New York, or Miami; Cleveland or St. Louis; Los Angeles or Seattle. The point is, these people need to be stopped before things go that far. Don't tell me Finland wouldn't do the same if it were so threatened and had the means to do so. __________________ SIG TOO BIG! Maximum 120x60 button and no more than 3 text lines of DEFAULT SIZE and COLOR. Unless your sig is for a GFY top banner sponsor, then you may use a 624x80 instead of a 120x60. Last edited by UnseenWorld; 10-11-2002 at 09:57 PM..