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Mutt · 10-11-2002, 04:34 PM

why would i go over there? to get the company line whatever that might be? If it's legit it's legit. I know how the video companies operate - which is why i am really doubtful about the situation.

Tons of programs were licensing photo content and using them as free hosted galleries without informing the licensor of that use. It was a loophole in many providers' licenses, and in other cases, it was a prohibited use according to the license.

I really don't care about DP or AB. I sorta care about the friggin movie companies cuz i have tried to talk some of them about buying Internet rights to some stuff but they are out of their mind with what they expect $$$ wise - see, on one hand these LA video companies think everybody on the Internet is making millions of dollars therefore their content must be worth a huge amount ......then on the other hand they just sit there like complete idiots as a thousand webmasters use their content to make bank without paying a friggin dime.

You think AB is such a big company huh? How many sites in their AVS?

Let's see ........ let's say they have 1,000 DVD's they make available to their AVS webmasters........... a single owner license to use the content on that owners site(s) goes for $250 bucks at Adult Legal ....... $250,000. That in and of itself is some serious coin. Now let's say I go to Adult Legal and tell them 'I'm opening an AVS system Big Movie Pass, I want to license 1,000 DVD's, i'm going to allow the unlimited number of webmasters in my program to use these DVD's as content for their sites as well, do you have a problem with that?' The answer is going to be YES.
Maybe the provider will come back and say, for that usage we'll have to charge you 1,000 dollars per DVD title. So the 1,000 DVD titles now are going to cost $1,000,000 for me to use the way i want.

I can license nice photo images for 40-50 cents a piece. I can use them on a number of domains that I own. If i want to give those pix away as free content to webmasters promoting my website I have to ask permission, which of course will be denied, the provider might say 'if u pay 2 dollars per image you can let your webmasters use the content'. Or you can go to a custom content
company and have them shoot stuff you will own outright for a bit more cash.

I see how the DVD's are being used on these movie AVS sites.

Who do you think is bigger? AC Movie Pass or AB and DeluxePass?

Why doesn't AC have 1,500 DVD's in their members area?
Why does AC spend probably 100 thou a month to plugin companies like AEBN, Holio, FreshWebmaster etc etc.?

I ain't saying i know the whole story behind these companies.
I'm saying it looks really dubious.

And believe me, these people weren't born yesterday, they know full well that the little idiot from wherever who signs up for their AVS as a webmaster and they see him uploading 5 GIGS of Tera Patrick scenes - they know movies, they know the content biz, they know the content is stolen. And like I said there's a recent California case where the judge made the AVS responsible and she even said she could go further if she wanted - that the AVS webmaster and the AVS operator are partners - both reaping profits from the stolen property.

Jeff Miller from <a href=http://www.content-club.com>Content Club</a> knows this stuff like nobody else. Maybe he'll drop in on this thread. Not sure if he's a GFY reader or not.

10-11-2002, 04:34 PM
Mutt Too lazy to set a custom title Industry Role: Join Date: Sep 2002 Posts: 34,431	why would i go over there? to get the company line whatever that might be? If it's legit it's legit. I know how the video companies operate - which is why i am really doubtful about the situation. Tons of programs were licensing photo content and using them as free hosted galleries without informing the licensor of that use. It was a loophole in many providers' licenses, and in other cases, it was a prohibited use according to the license. I really don't care about DP or AB. I sorta care about the friggin movie companies cuz i have tried to talk some of them about buying Internet rights to some stuff but they are out of their mind with what they expect $$$ wise - see, on one hand these LA video companies think everybody on the Internet is making millions of dollars therefore their content must be worth a huge amount ......then on the other hand they just sit there like complete idiots as a thousand webmasters use their content to make bank without paying a friggin dime. You think AB is such a big company huh? How many sites in their AVS? Let's see ........ let's say they have 1,000 DVD's they make available to their AVS webmasters........... a single owner license to use the content on that owners site(s) goes for $250 bucks at Adult Legal ....... $250,000. That in and of itself is some serious coin. Now let's say I go to Adult Legal and tell them 'I'm opening an AVS system Big Movie Pass, I want to license 1,000 DVD's, i'm going to allow the unlimited number of webmasters in my program to use these DVD's as content for their sites as well, do you have a problem with that?' The answer is going to be YES. Maybe the provider will come back and say, for that usage we'll have to charge you 1,000 dollars per DVD title. So the 1,000 DVD titles now are going to cost $1,000,000 for me to use the way i want. I can license nice photo images for 40-50 cents a piece. I can use them on a number of domains that I own. If i want to give those pix away as free content to webmasters promoting my website I have to ask permission, which of course will be denied, the provider might say 'if u pay 2 dollars per image you can let your webmasters use the content'. Or you can go to a custom content company and have them shoot stuff you will own outright for a bit more cash. I see how the DVD's are being used on these movie AVS sites. Who do you think is bigger? AC Movie Pass or AB and DeluxePass? Why doesn't AC have 1,500 DVD's in their members area? Why does AC spend probably 100 thou a month to plugin companies like AEBN, Holio, FreshWebmaster etc etc.? I ain't saying i know the whole story behind these companies. I'm saying it looks really dubious. And believe me, these people weren't born yesterday, they know full well that the little idiot from wherever who signs up for their AVS as a webmaster and they see him uploading 5 GIGS of Tera Patrick scenes - they know movies, they know the content biz, they know the content is stolen. And like I said there's a recent California case where the judge made the AVS responsible and she even said she could go further if she wanted - that the AVS webmaster and the AVS operator are partners - both reaping profits from the stolen property. Jeff Miller from <a href=http://www.content-club.com>Content Club</a> knows this stuff like nobody else. Maybe he'll drop in on this thread. Not sure if he's a GFY reader or not. __________________ I moved my sites to Vacares Hosting. I've saved money, my hair is thicker, lost some weight too! Thanks Sly!