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Originally posted by G Sharp
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Didn't Jesus have followers who were prostitutes and tax collectors? When asked why he would minister to such "scum", Jesus responded to his critics by comparing them to the sick who needed a doctor?
Wasn't Jesus aware of the sinful and fallen nature of humans yet still allow them process of TRYING to reconcile their ways with God's law?
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True. Jesus said he did not come to minister to those who were already "saved". He ministered to the scum of the earth, the untouchables of his time.
That does not mean that he condoned of their behavior and said they could continue to whore after they decided to follow the right path.
He was preaching to the filth for a reason. They were the ones that needed to be saved.
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Didn't St. Paul note that even if people have fallen away from God or didn't even know God at all, they can still attain Divine Grace by being judged with the "law written upon their hearts"?
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Anything Paul says is irrelevant.
All Paul did was try and make his brand of Judaism palatable to the people he was preaching to. Paul didnt preach to the Jews, Paul spread his message to the goy, to the animals, to the diaspora. You try and convince a bunch of Romans that they need to convert to Judaism and adopt all the strict laws of Judaism.
The same way Forplaz needs to make his Jesus all touchy feely and full of nothing but love, Paul needed to make his brand of Judaism easier to accept.
Jesus did not come to change the law, Jesus came to fulfill it. Paul changed it.
Judaism is hard, Pauls Christianity is not. Take all the convenient Christians on this board for example. They make it all seem so easy dont they? To quote Michel "I believe". Thats it. There you have it. Christianity American style.
Nevermind all the people who have spent their lives studying and contemplating the word of God, they fucked up. All they really needed to do was just live their lives like normal and just "believe" in Jesus. Those fucking suckers.
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Wasn't Jesus' ministry based on examples upon examples of the forgiving nature of God? The prodigal son? The shifty tax collector?
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Of course it was. Of course God will forgive you.
But you know what happens if you dont ask God to forgive you?
He loves you right into hell.
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Ultimately, didn't Jesus say to those who sought strict obedience of the letter of the law [but not its spirit] that God's kingdom was like the Master who hired servants to work his field during differing parts of the day. When confronted by servants who worked the longest and hardest why EVERYONE GOT PAID THE SAME, that Jesus essentially said "God's notion of fairness and equity is different from Humans' "?
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Like a priest who spends his days following the letter of the law and then sticking his finger in a little boys butt.
I am of the opinion that nothing would be more disgusting in the eyes of God than a Christian like those on this board. At least I wont go to church once a year and try and bullshit God that I am a good Christian.
I was a pretty devout kid, and went through a period in my early teenage years where I was pretty sure I was gonna end up orthodox clergy of some sort. But I couldnt in good faith do the stupid shit I was doing as a teenager and then go to church on Sunday and ask for forgiveness knowing I would just go out and do the same shit again and again and again.
I felt it was better to fall to the wayside that to continue trying to bullshit God.
For me to sit here and spread homosexual porn to a couple hundred thousand people a day, and then to walk my ass into church and claim that I am a good Christian is not only an insult to God, but an insult to the institution itself, as well as every single person that is a devout humble follower.
At least when I die, and if I do go before God to be judged, at least I can say I didnt try to bullshit him.