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Originally Posted by SirMoby I hate to tell you but Jeb is going to be the front runner in 2012 or 2016. That's when nukes will fly. Dubya has fucked up the country so bad that whoever takes over will have a terrible time and the reps will just blame for everything. At the end of whatever term no matter how good it goes they'll rig another election and Jeb will be the man. It's his pay back for 2000. The way the economy is going there will be record foreclosures in 2010 or so because interest rates will rise and the dollar will be so week that we can't buy needed resources. Anyone that doesn't believe me can take me up on a discussion around then. They're probably the same people that said I was wrong in 2000 when I said gas would hit $3, we'd go to war (probably in Iraq) and declare a victory the summer before the election. Summer didn't start until June 21 and we declared a victory around June 1 so I was off a bit.

Agree. Some institutions and infrastracture will collapse or have to be dismantled. At this point, it's not the basic question of "if", but simply "when?"... from which must immediately follow, "where will you be then?"