Originally Posted by Webby

Greg... to be honest it's past the stage of political leanings. I don't really care who is in power, be they conservative, democrat or communist.

Least for me, it has *everything* to do with fairly serving the people who elected them and conducting the biz of government in a competent manner for the benefit of the nation as a whole.

This current US Admin have got to be the worst (not sure about the worst in US history), but certainly the worst within a long time.

They have proven themselves to be very incompetent at managing the US and have literally locked themselves into a political closet in the Whitehouse and avoid any public appearances unless there is an agenda where they may be losing. Then they send out the closet team to appear on television and spew garbage.

Admins who operate on the basis of closet politics and secrecy are not democratic admins.

The flip side is, - almost all current US politicians (tho there are many good men there) are an utter disgrace to the electorate - irrespective of their political views. It may be the Admin who supposed to be taking the lead and open to most criticism, but they sure are not supported by qualified, strong partners in houses of govt.

It also does not help when a government/nation is sharply split over political leanings. Bottom line - it's all bullshit and not in the interests of the nation as a whole.

On the current Admin, their problems are of their own making. When ya make a judgement and it turns out widely distorted (whether intentional or not), there is always a payback time and shit comes back to haunt ya. It can never actually be swept under the carpet as a "mistake".

On the "management" side, it could not be worse - but got a feeling we are gonna see far worse yet.

Since George took office he has rarely addressed any domestic issues with any success. The economy is the worst ever, - the same can he said for health, education and down the list. The international reputation of the US could prob not be lower.

Although the admin likes to portray an image of protecting the US - basically they can't. No government on this planet can protect against eg acts of terrorism. The concept that "we are under threat" is used (abused) by the admin to create paranoia - as tho the US was the first country on the planet to experience terrorism.

It's also astounding that the US government appears incapable of even aiding their own citizens in disaster relief and restoring their own territory back to an operational status after a hurricane. Third world countries have recovered quicker - and collected the bodies from under the rubble.

Hell.. save writing all this shit... Here's a list of "achievements" from another thread....

~First president in U.S. history to enter office with a criminal record.

~In his first two years in office, over 2 million Americans lost their jobs.

~Shattered record for biggest annual deficit in history.

~Set all-time record for biggest drop in the history of the stock market.

~Cut the taxes of the wealthiest people in America (those making over $200,000 a year).

~Members of Bush Administration are the richest administration in history.

~First year in office set the all-time record for most days on vacation by any president in U.S. history.

~Cut unemployment benefits for more out-of-work Americans than any president in U.S. history.

~Dissolved more international treaties than any president in U.S. history.

~Set the all-time record for biggest annual budget spending increases.

~First president in U.S. history to attack a sovereign nation against the will of the United Nations and the world community.

~Took the biggest world sympathy for the U.S. after 9/11, and in less than a year, made the U.S. the most resented country in the world.

~First U.S. president in history to have a majority of people in Europe (over 70%) view his presidency as the biggest threat to world peace and stability.

~In the 18 months following the 9/11 attacks, he has successfully prevented any public investigation into the biggest security failure in the history of the United States.

Whether you agree/dispute these points, it still remains an utter disaster area. It's hard to say the actual government at this time have the interests of the US people at heart. It's almost as tho they are hell bent on obliterating the US.

Bottom line... a massive load of damage been done and there will be a payback time. It will be paid for by the US taxpayer, the lives of people in other countries, US forces serving abroad, by those swindled out of pensions etc etc. Got little doubts there will be some mass lifestyle changes as well resulting from the baggage left over by this admin.

Do Bush and Cheney matter? Not really - this happened on their watch and suspect there will be repercussions, - but otherwise they are not relevant. The damage far supercedes the relevance of a few individuals.

Forget personalities in politics - they all bullshit and lie - it's who manages a country with some competence that matters. Competence is something severely lacking at this time.