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These debates always get as ugly as the issue itself.
Bottom line the animal kingdom has always suffered and will always suffer at the expense of mankind. If animals had voices, it'd be a different ballpark. But they don't sadly.
Animal welfare people are just trying to help relieve the abuses and inhumanity in any way they can. We'll never win obviously cause people will never stop eating meat, wanting leather products, using lab animals, and every othery thing that goes on.
But one thing we will win at is making the entire planet fully aware of what goes on so people at the least can make their own decisions. And that is a huge accomplishment, because most of the atrocities have always been well hidden from the public's eyes.
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