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UnseenWorld · 09-20-2002, 10:25 PM

I believe there's a place for limited corporal punishment. Respect is based on two things, fear and regard. Kids don't understand regard in quite the same way adults do, but it has a place in controlling the child. Failing that, and when a quicker compliance is needed, you get to corporal punishment.

Now, I've seen that tape several times, and it's disturbing in several ways. First, the woman knows what she'd doing is wrong because she looks around to see if anyone is watching (apparently a large segment of the public is still unaware of the prevalance of surveillance cameras). This indicates premeditation and a knowledge that what she's about to do is wrong.

Then, there's the ferocity of the attack, and the anger she exhibited in it. Apparently, she'd just had a bad time trying to do some returns and took out her frustration in part on the kid (who know doubt was not making things easier in the store: I've raised a kid and I know a four year old can be pretty inconvenient at times). This woman was out of control, but she was consciously out of control. She gave herself this moment to suspend the rules, is what I mean.

Finally, there's the amount of punishment she dealt out. CNN timed the attack at over 20 seconds.

Now, when I say I'm for corporal punishment, what I'm referring to is something measured and NOT done in a state of anger.

One or two good open-handed swats on a kid's bottom is the limit I would allow.

The idea of a "time out" or sending the kid to his/her room sounds great on paper, but when you're out shopping, the concept of relating the punishment to the infraction gets lost, especially with a small child, and with the loss of the relation goes the loss of the lesson.

As kids get older and understand English better, and have more highly developed reasoning powers, the use of naked force becomes less powerful and less useful. I remember from high school, taking a few swats from a teacher with a paddle like a man was actually a badge of honor. However, being grounded or being given extra chores or especially losing driving privileges made a pretty serious impression on me.

09-20-2002, 10:25 PM
UnseenWorld Confirmed User Join Date: May 2001 Location: Portland, OR, USA Posts: 5,279	I believe there's a place for limited corporal punishment. Respect is based on two things, fear and regard. Kids don't understand regard in quite the same way adults do, but it has a place in controlling the child. Failing that, and when a quicker compliance is needed, you get to corporal punishment. Now, I've seen that tape several times, and it's disturbing in several ways. First, the woman knows what she'd doing is wrong because she looks around to see if anyone is watching (apparently a large segment of the public is still unaware of the prevalance of surveillance cameras). This indicates premeditation and a knowledge that what she's about to do is wrong. Then, there's the ferocity of the attack, and the anger she exhibited in it. Apparently, she'd just had a bad time trying to do some returns and took out her frustration in part on the kid (who know doubt was not making things easier in the store: I've raised a kid and I know a four year old can be pretty inconvenient at times). This woman was out of control, but she was consciously out of control. She gave herself this moment to suspend the rules, is what I mean. Finally, there's the amount of punishment she dealt out. CNN timed the attack at over 20 seconds. Now, when I say I'm for corporal punishment, what I'm referring to is something measured and NOT done in a state of anger. One or two good open-handed swats on a kid's bottom is the limit I would allow. The idea of a "time out" or sending the kid to his/her room sounds great on paper, but when you're out shopping, the concept of relating the punishment to the infraction gets lost, especially with a small child, and with the loss of the relation goes the loss of the lesson. As kids get older and understand English better, and have more highly developed reasoning powers, the use of naked force becomes less powerful and less useful. I remember from high school, taking a few swats from a teacher with a paddle like a man was actually a badge of honor. However, being grounded or being given extra chores or especially losing driving privileges made a pretty serious impression on me. __________________ SIG TOO BIG! Maximum 120x60 button and no more than 3 text lines of DEFAULT SIZE and COLOR. Unless your sig is for a GFY top banner sponsor, then you may use a 624x80 instead of a 120x60.