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Originally Posted by nico-t
"If he's only "the face" then why are you blaming everything on him? Why don't you blame it on whoever you think is supposedly "in charge"?"
Otherwise i would have to say 'the bush administration..' all the time. I think you know what i mean.
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The point is that most people don't understand that. There are a TON of people out there that don't know the first thing about politics or current events, so (being the tools that they are) when someone says "it's all Bush's fault, blame it on Bush" they start blaming everything solely on the President himself.
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Originally Posted by nico-t
Theyve calculated that the war would bring in money - thats usually the case. Weapons + Oil = $$$$$. But it turned out to be a 2nd vietnam. 2nd vietnam COSTS $$$$$.
They obviously fucked up. Thats my point. Eventually the US will get the oil, but the war taking longer as planned is such a huge blow for the economy and lives of soldiers that the dollar is way down and still american lives are being sacrificed for oil: The only hope they have now, due to the fuckup war, for a better economy. It is now a vicious circle.
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Dude, this nowhere NEAR a 2nd Vietnam. I don't think the war is a "fuck up" at all. What were the objectives (forget about the WMD crap - I mean the actual objectives):
1.) Remove the Taliban regime from Afganistan -
Done
2.) Remove Saddam Hussein and his regime from Iraq once and for all -
Done
3.) Stay and provide a military presence and military support (defense) until a new local government can be established and is strong enough to stand on it's own -
In Progress
No one said this war was going to be cheap or short. There are no rules or time frames... it's a war. Loss of life is another unfortunate and sad effect of war and is also to be expected, especially by the soldiers. The US soldiers that are over there were NOT drafted... they freely volunteered.
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Originally Posted by nico-t
I believe the president of the US has an itty bit more responsibility for its own citizens then mayors and other less powerful people involved.
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No, actually that IS the whole point of having local governments; the President is part of the
Federal government (macro vs. micro)
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Originally Posted by nico-t
The color alarms like "today code orange for the whole country".. It sounds like a turned down screen play for a crappy superhero movie, its fucking childish.
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Yes, I agree that it's childish and a bit rediculous. However, if there was nothing like this in place you would get everyone whining about "NOT knowing if we were in danger", etc. No matter which way it goes, there will about be people that are just looking for something to find wrong and bitch about.
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Originally Posted by nico-t
im done for tonight.. my remark was pointed to sticky, but one last question: If YOU knew that this admin would fuckup majorly like this, would you still have voted for them?
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As stated before, I don't consider this administration a "fuck up". So yes, I would vote for him again...
