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Originally Posted by Tipsy
Simply put you're very, very wrong and have no clue on the subject it seems, as with many posting about it or even involved in it. The stuff Guba is doing is NOT legal, however to prove that point would cost far more than probably any of those affected would be able to afford. There's a huge difference between legal and simply too expensive to prosecute. Guba are NOT simply providing access to newsgroups - try reading the threads or even joining them and seeing for yourself.
For fucks sake you only have to look at something like Napster which was pulling FAR less crap than Guba as far as copyright goes. The difference is the companies Napster hit had almost bottomless purses as far as court action went. Not true of the companies Guba are hitting.
But then that's the way of things these days. People get away with all sorts of dodgy crap simply because they know that nobody can afford to stop them. Acacia was a great example although in the end they hugely underestimated some of the more professional companies in the Biz which will find to their cost soon it seems.
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Look, I'm not defending them. I haven't ever seen how they set it all up to be honest. However, I know first hand they are legal as long as you follow a few rules. Things like the posted header, posters email, and body, at least through a text link and you filter the content.
Even if Guba doesn't do that way, people will still lose because it's all from the newsgroups and they can state, once they contacted us we removed the content and added them to the filters, just like an ISP.
These sites have been to court before, a few times. Napster and Guba are on different playing fields. Napster is people uploading and trading known stolen software, music, etc.. Guba provides a service that can read from many of locations, every ISP has one, many have readers like Guba.
Someone above said we need to stop Cuba before more open, Cuba is just in the mix with 1000's of others.
Newsgroup services like Guba have been around for 10 years. I can name owners of programs that own a few.