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Old 02-17-2006, 12:57 AM  
Tempest
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Originally Posted by will76
Competition is only a problem when their ads are better then yours.
That's bullshit. More competition means there's a higher probability the surfer has already seen an ad for iFriends and signed up before they even hit mine. But you already know this. You alluded to it when you mentioned previously that a lot of people jump from sponsor to sponsor and they see a jump in their sales due to the freshness factor.

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Originally Posted by will76
I doubt that you scratch the surface of hitting online users. For conversion rates, even if they dropped, clickcash's pay rate increases have out paced the loss of signups through any possible saturation. I can make more now with 500 signups then i did 5 years ago with 750 signups... So *I* still make more money, do i care if i convert more or less then i did in 2001?
So are you finally admiting that clickcash doesn't convert as well as they used to or not?

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Originally Posted by will76
the way i compare is from ad productivity. I tried several sponors from the same ad spots (same traffic) and compared how much money they made me.
As you tell everyone when your promoting the greatness of iFriends, the ads need to be tweaked etc. to maximize the returns. So your "test" is flawed since they're biased towards making sales from iFriends and not the other cam sponsors you "tested". You might have made more money from the other cam program if you had spent as much time tweaking and tuning their ads as you have over the years with clickcash. But because you've done so well with clickcash, you've locked yourself into your own little box now.

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Originally Posted by will76
I am going to spend the same amount of time generating traffic no matter which company i send it to. I do test from that traffic to see which company does the best. It has nothing to do with by the hour etc...
That's flawed thinking. If you're making more $/hour with a different cam company then you can spend all the extra time generating traffic for that sponsor and make even more money than you would with clickcash.

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Originally Posted by will76
a couple easy changes and your techniques may make you more again with clickcash then you are making now with your current sponsor. BUT what you are telling me is that it is too much work for you to do. You would rather chage out a sponsor and keep things the same instead of spending a little extra time to change it up and make a lot more money.
See above and your flawed thinking. I don't doubt that I could do more to make more with clickcash. I'm far from lazy. But it all comes down to ROI and in this case the I is time.

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Originally Posted by will76
If i make 10% more with ifriends then any other company, why would i send them 25% of my traffic so i could " not have all my eggs in one basket". So i make 8% less each week, so i can be diversified. Instead of doing that i keep all my traffic with them and after 12 weeks I am ahead of the game. If i get terminated I lose what 1, 1.5 weeks of income? If i make 8% less each week I am lossing A LOT more then that each year.
I think the difference is that you are pretty much 100% iFriends. The majority of us are not. I used to send 100% of my cam traffic to iFriends. But now I don't since I can't trust them. Actually, that's not quite true. I still send 100% of the traffic that was garnered from iFriends promotions to iFriends. New work is being sent to new cam programs. For most of the WMs here, Cams are NOT their business, like me, it's more of an upsell.

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Originally Posted by will76
but that is because i choose to re-invest 90% of what i make.
So even though you tell others they should put all their eggs in 1 basket, you actualy don't follow that advice yourself?

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Originally Posted by will76
I wouldn't work with pimpdog if he offered me $500 a signup and a BJ. I don't like him.
I won't work with him either. But basically this means all your posting and everything about iFriends is bullshit. Even for you it's not about JUST making money, or doing business with the company that will make you the most money. You won't do business with someone you don't like. And for a lot of people they don't like the iFriends business practices and won't do business with them because of it. Yet everytime someone comes on here and says this and the reasons why, you basically call them an idiot, a lier or whatever.

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Originally Posted by will76
Now, you on the other hand would work with him, well until you got an offer from someone you liked better.
Actually, if I was doing business with him before I knew what he was like I would continue until I could replace that revenue elsewhere. I get the feeling you wouldn't though because if he had made you a shit load of money you'd stay loyal regardless of whether or not you were being scammed out of some of the money that was due to you.
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