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Originally Posted by Tempest
My conversion rates dropped because of competition AND whenever there was a payout change. Conversions began to go up again about a year or so ago (as clickcash continued it's cleanup of people commiting fraud and people started dropping them to promote other webcam programs) but they've never reached the same level again. It's competition and yes, if I got in fresh streams of traffic that could improve.
The thing is, one of the things you never talk about in your posts about how great iFriends is, is the work involved in getting those sales. i.e. If I spend 2 hours a day promoting a different cam site and make as much as spending 4 hours a day promoting iFriends, which is better?
It's not just about the paycheck, it's $/hour. So if the techniques I used for iFriends aren't working as good anymore, but they work great for a new cam site thus requiring less work on my part? Which do you think I'd go with?
Well, about 90% of the time when you post it's purely to "defend" iFriends, basically saying that everyone else is a lier and you're the only one telling the truth about them, and to anyone that doesn't bash them you tell them that you can help them make more money is they signup under you.. well what would you call that?? I'd say a shill whoring for refs.
I never said that. I said that because they can have multiple names, you can't tell. And you can't tell with that filter unless you're an elite member. Since I'm not, I can't see what that listing shows and whether it's truly a unique listing or not.
About 3 months into this business I was ripped off for almost $1k. So I don't really trust any sponsor and I promote several to reduce the risk. Given iFriends history of terming people (and please don't say they were all cheaters cause I know that's not the case), it wouldn't be "logical" for anyone to put all their eggs in the iFriends basket. You however have alleviated that risk my having people sign up under you. And if you've truly been making $1M a year, you're going to have other business/investment ventures and so it's not important to you as it would be to someone else whether they went under or termed you.
That's great, but maybe you should let other people discuss what their experience has been with iFriends as opposed to labeling them as idiots and lieing noobs. Just because you've had a rosy experience with them doesn't mean that everyone else has. I also believe in letting someone know ALL aspects, good and bad about something rather than mislead them with promises of riches.
So if pimpdoggy offered you $5 more than clickcash on a free signup you'd do business with him?
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- Competition is only a problem when their ads are better then yours. I doubt that you scratch the surface of hitting online users. For conversion rates, even if they dropped, clickcash's pay rate increases have out paced the loss of signups through any possible saturation. I can make more now with 500 signups then i did 5 years ago with 750 signups... So *I* still make more money, do i care if i convert more or less then i did in 2001 ?
- the way i compare is from ad productivity. I tried several sponors from the same ad spots (same traffic) and compared how much money they made me. I am going to spend the same amount of time generating traffic no matter which company i send it to. I do test from that traffic to see which company does the best. It has nothing to do with by the hour etc...
- a couple easy changes and your techniques may make you more again with clickcash then you are making now with your current sponsor. BUT what you are telling me is that it is too much work for you to do. You would rather chage out a sponsor and keep things the same instead of spending a little extra time to change it up and make a lot more money.
- about 50% I post, it is related to clickcash/ifriends. Why do i defend them? because I believe in them. Believe me, 99% of the time i defend them I wouldn't want to work with the person I am talking to anyway. you ever just believe in something, and want to defend it. I owe my life to clickcash. I have made serious money from them, they have treated me great, and I think ifriends is a great service to boot. They are pioneers of the industry and really have the best camsite out there and best paying affiliate program. They might not have the best CS, might not have a lot of tools in place, and they may be a little strict on the TOS. It is what you make of it, all the important stuff is there for you. Just don't spam/defraud them and you are fine. If you NEED tools and can't make your own, or need to be held by the hand, then no ClickCash is not for you. I am glad they are strict on the TOS, companies that aren't wont last long and if they let other people get away with too much that could affect my income as well.
- I have an ifriends membership and I can see how many are unique and how many have multiple sessions. You can take my word for it or not. What I said above is true, about 3500 session, about 1900 actual models. Less then 2 sessions per model average. Sure some have 5 sessions going, but several only have 1, it averages out.
- about 3 months into this business I was ripped off as well from web800 for about 6K. I've explained this several times before on here so i am giving you the short version. If i make 10% more with ifriends then any other company, why would i send them 25% of my traffic so i could " not have all my eggs in one basket". So i make 8% less each week, so i can be diversified. Instead of doing that i keep all my traffic with them and after 12 weeks I am ahead of the game. If i get terminated I lose what 1, 1.5 weeks of income? If i make 8% less each week I am lossing A LOT more then that each year. Follow the logic? BTW from my understanding if I got terminated I believe I would lose my affiliate income as well, so that wouldn;t help me. I do have other investments going offline, but that is because i choose to re-invest 90% of what i make. Unlike most idiots here who actually make money and spend it on expensive cars and houses and shit. But that really has nothing to do with clickcash.
- I only lable people as idiots and noobs when they say really stupid shit or missinformed shit that can easily be proved. You have never heard me call someone something because they said that ClickCash had bad customer service or a lack of tools, etc. I also call people shit when they talk about clickcash and they have never used them... but they heard.... lol I lover those words, i heard = fact to 90 % of the people on GFY.
- I wouldn't work with pimpdog if he offered me $500 a signup and a BJ. I don't like him. Now, you on the other hand would work with him, well until you got an offer from someone you liked better.