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baremuffin · 08-29-2002, 08:53 AM

Okay, wait, I dunno if I get all this...

So then the problem for the paysite owners (corporate or otherwise) becomes something sort of like 'the tgp problem' for webmasters trying to sell... expectations have been raised to a point at which nobody is willing or able to turn them back to a more reasonable, realistic level that wouldn't require any jacking.

Surfers expectations of free porn and the ease at which you can find high quality pics in any niche completely free have frustrated webmasters because they're being 'spoiled' and won't break out the plastic.

In response, webmasters look for the highest paying programs with the least restrictive terms, both for themselves and for the surfer - the biggest trial at the lowest price for the highest payout with the least number of strings attached.

So, to compete, the programs go into these 'cross-sells' which may or may not be clearly defined (depending on who you talk to) but which basically act as upsells that provide the high payouts the webmaster DEMANDS because plummeting conversions have made the higher payout mandatory for the webmaster to maintain their ROI.

Is that what's going on? If so, is it just for the 'corporate' or 'cookie cutter' sites that basically provide the same content as every other site in the same niche, or are the sites based on exclusive content and high quality pics and/or vids having these same problems?

Wouldn't that also mean you could blame this whole mess on TGP as well, because if so much free stuff weren't so easily available and accessible, the conversions would be higher and the need for these cross-sells would be negated? And if that is the case, with the need for a huge payout diminished by conversion ratios that go back to where they statistically SHOULD be, wouldn't removing those cross-sells and 'twists' meant to generate that extra income to cover those payouts actually increase the surfer confidence in the product, resulting in higher conversions in and of itself?

Then, to promote retention, instead of giving the webmaster the extra 30 bucks because his conversion rate is half what it should be, these sites could spend the other 30 bucks per member on new content daily/weekly/monthly, actually giving the surfer a reason to spend 40 bucks per month, and the security and trust to do so.

So really, we need to get rid of freebies because they're not REALLY free, it's prepaid by the webmasters and backended to the surfers whether they like it or not if/when they finally do bother cracking open their wallets.

Supply and demand... the demand for porn is there, and the supply of free porn is coming too damned close to meeting that demand for people to make what they should be making fairly and honestly.

Ugh probably babble but I had to try to figure out what this whole argument was about, and find a way to blame the TGPs... seems strangely rational though.

M

PS - I think what makes the hotel analogy sort of a bitch is that even if it IS a scam, it's a 'convenience' fee... it's like returning something and paying them to 'restock' it. You didn't stay in the room, but you DID ask them to hold it for you and NOT rent it to anyone else, and when you DON'T rent it, they charge you that fee based on the fact that if you hadn't reserved the room then cancelled they COULD have made money... even if YOU would have been free. Or something like that. I dunno. I stayed up too long again.

08-29-2002, 08:53 AM
baremuffin Registered User Join Date: May 2002 Location: SoCal Posts: 54	Okay, wait, I dunno if I get all this... So then the problem for the paysite owners (corporate or otherwise) becomes something sort of like 'the tgp problem' for webmasters trying to sell... expectations have been raised to a point at which nobody is willing or able to turn them back to a more reasonable, realistic level that wouldn't require any jacking. Surfers expectations of free porn and the ease at which you can find high quality pics in any niche completely free have frustrated webmasters because they're being 'spoiled' and won't break out the plastic. In response, webmasters look for the highest paying programs with the least restrictive terms, both for themselves and for the surfer - the biggest trial at the lowest price for the highest payout with the least number of strings attached. So, to compete, the programs go into these 'cross-sells' which may or may not be clearly defined (depending on who you talk to) but which basically act as upsells that provide the high payouts the webmaster DEMANDS because plummeting conversions have made the higher payout mandatory for the webmaster to maintain their ROI. Is that what's going on? If so, is it just for the 'corporate' or 'cookie cutter' sites that basically provide the same content as every other site in the same niche, or are the sites based on exclusive content and high quality pics and/or vids having these same problems? Wouldn't that also mean you could blame this whole mess on TGP as well, because if so much free stuff weren't so easily available and accessible, the conversions would be higher and the need for these cross-sells would be negated? And if that is the case, with the need for a huge payout diminished by conversion ratios that go back to where they statistically SHOULD be, wouldn't removing those cross-sells and 'twists' meant to generate that extra income to cover those payouts actually increase the surfer confidence in the product, resulting in higher conversions in and of itself? Then, to promote retention, instead of giving the webmaster the extra 30 bucks because his conversion rate is half what it should be, these sites could spend the other 30 bucks per member on new content daily/weekly/monthly, actually giving the surfer a reason to spend 40 bucks per month, and the security and trust to do so. So really, we need to get rid of freebies because they're not REALLY free, it's prepaid by the webmasters and backended to the surfers whether they like it or not if/when they finally do bother cracking open their wallets. Supply and demand... the demand for porn is there, and the supply of free porn is coming too damned close to meeting that demand for people to make what they should be making fairly and honestly. Ugh probably babble but I had to try to figure out what this whole argument was about, and find a way to blame the TGPs... seems strangely rational though. M PS - I think what makes the hotel analogy sort of a bitch is that even if it IS a scam, it's a 'convenience' fee... it's like returning something and paying them to 'restock' it. You didn't stay in the room, but you DID ask them to hold it for you and NOT rent it to anyone else, and when you DON'T rent it, they charge you that fee based on the fact that if you hadn't reserved the room then cancelled they COULD have made money... even if YOU would have been free. Or something like that. I dunno. I stayed up too long again. __________________ Does not play well with others... Last edited by baremuffin; 08-29-2002 at 09:15 AM..