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Originally Posted by GigoloMason
So you're trying to say that all questions of origin fall outside of the realm of philosophy? You've also just said that claiming there is no higher power is just as silly as claiming there is one by inference. Thanks for making my point.
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Questions of physical origins (all the different kinds) fall in the realms of astronomy, physics, biology, chemistry, etc. Philosophy only encompasses them as a heuristic device and (specifically the philosophy of science) as a guiding meta-science.
And no, I haven't said that "claiming there is no higher power is just as silly as claiming there is one". Because:
Ockham's Razor
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Originally Posted by GigoloMason
Once again I guess you completly missed my first post saying it's a travesty taht it's allowed into biology classrooms.
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first post has absolutely no influence on the beliefs of the majority of ID's proponents. Remember, you said "That's why it isn't called science". The fact of the matter is that they are calling it science.
However, it isn't philosophy either, as I have showed quite clearly in this thread. It's religion.
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Originally Posted by GigoloMason
You're missing my point completly. I've meerly stated that creationism is just as valid as the idea that there is no creator. If you want to say that BOTH ideas are equally silly as neither is philosophically or otherwise proveable, well guess what I agree. On the other hand I would argue if you'd accept the idea that there couldn't possibally be a creator as valid then by the very circular nature of the agruement you have to accept the other side of the coin as well.
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There is a subtle but distinct difference between
a) the idea that there is no creator
b) the absence of the idea that there is a creator
Not believing that something exists isn't a position that has to be defended, since it isn't a theory but rather the lack of one. The person stating that something DOES exist has to defend his position, not the other way around.
The burden of proof is on the person stating a claim. The absence of a claim, however, is not itself a claim.