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Brad Mitchell · 10-01-2005, 10:02 AM

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I'm not saying it is the "best" network I am saying it is absolutely comperable to the best networks with it's high availability, excellent network management and good peering arrangements. We blend both Level3 and Verio and our customers are extremely happy with our performance and uptime. Verio is premium bandwidth and their peering agreements support that. Where Cogent has failed historically and continues to be challenged is it's oversubscription at critical peering exchanges and the low priority it's traffic gets when it has to travel across other networks. Verio doesn't have those issues and that is why they are not in the same class when it comes to performance. The internethealthreport is a very nice tool but not representative of overal network packet delivery, performance and global peering.

At the end of the day the market is largely what determines IP pricing. Where Cogent typically wholesales for $7000-10000 per gigabit, Verio's pricing is minimally 3 times that. I'm not trying to discount your experience with their network but I have used them heavily for four years and we have very demanding clients and high standards ourselves. I am not suggesting that their network is like AT&T's or MCI's but they do get the job done very well and they come by it honestly.

Their network changed quite a bit a year ago for the better when they consolidated it and sold off much of the smaller POPs and their T1 business to Cogent. They are financially strong as they are owned by NTT, Japan's largest telecommunications company. If you look at the new network maps they absolutely support the notion that this network in it's current state is to support their presence and grand success in Asia. Their remaining network here in the states hits most of the major peering points in this country and their extension to Europe and beyond is respectable.

Much of the value in a network, in my opinion, is what they do when their clients need them the most, when things do go wrong as occasionally happens at all networks. My working relationship is such with Verio that I sleep well at night because they resolve and respond to issues so quickly and they work hard, always in our best interests. I have experienced many other networks and the support I've received from Verio has always been above and beyond. Simply put, they deliver our traffic consistently and we feel quite competitively when it comes to performance.

Most importantly, though, we are not single homed. Despite my preference for them as our primary traffic carrier we don't cut any corners. We also use Level3 as part of our mix and have enough capacity on that network so that if we were to drop a carrier our clients would be unaffected. Utilizing BGP, all of our inbound traffic comes in via the most preferable and natural routes anyways. Like a responsible host would, for every used gigabit I always have another that is available. When we sell through this next gigabit, I will add another two gigabit from a new carrier. I feel our network design is quite nice, each one of our gigabit connections goes to a seperate core carrier router, by design.

Hope that helps explain what our setup and views are.

Cheers

Brad

10-01-2005, 10:02 AM
Brad Mitchell Confirmed User Industry Role: Join Date: Nov 2001 Location: Southfield, MI Posts: 9,813	SinisterStudios I'm not saying it is the "best" network I am saying it is absolutely comperable to the best networks with it's high availability, excellent network management and good peering arrangements. We blend both Level3 and Verio and our customers are extremely happy with our performance and uptime. Verio is premium bandwidth and their peering agreements support that. Where Cogent has failed historically and continues to be challenged is it's oversubscription at critical peering exchanges and the low priority it's traffic gets when it has to travel across other networks. Verio doesn't have those issues and that is why they are not in the same class when it comes to performance. The internethealthreport is a very nice tool but not representative of overal network packet delivery, performance and global peering. At the end of the day the market is largely what determines IP pricing. Where Cogent typically wholesales for $7000-10000 per gigabit, Verio's pricing is minimally 3 times that. I'm not trying to discount your experience with their network but I have used them heavily for four years and we have very demanding clients and high standards ourselves. I am not suggesting that their network is like AT&T's or MCI's but they do get the job done very well and they come by it honestly. Their network changed quite a bit a year ago for the better when they consolidated it and sold off much of the smaller POPs and their T1 business to Cogent. They are financially strong as they are owned by NTT, Japan's largest telecommunications company. If you look at the new network maps they absolutely support the notion that this network in it's current state is to support their presence and grand success in Asia. Their remaining network here in the states hits most of the major peering points in this country and their extension to Europe and beyond is respectable. Much of the value in a network, in my opinion, is what they do when their clients need them the most, when things do go wrong as occasionally happens at all networks. My working relationship is such with Verio that I sleep well at night because they resolve and respond to issues so quickly and they work hard, always in our best interests. I have experienced many other networks and the support I've received from Verio has always been above and beyond. Simply put, they deliver our traffic consistently and we feel quite competitively when it comes to performance. Most importantly, though, we are not single homed. Despite my preference for them as our primary traffic carrier we don't cut any corners. We also use Level3 as part of our mix and have enough capacity on that network so that if we were to drop a carrier our clients would be unaffected. Utilizing BGP, all of our inbound traffic comes in via the most preferable and natural routes anyways. Like a responsible host would, for every used gigabit I always have another that is available. When we sell through this next gigabit, I will add another two gigabit from a new carrier. I feel our network design is quite nice, each one of our gigabit connections goes to a seperate core carrier router, by design. Hope that helps explain what our setup and views are. Cheers Brad __________________ President at MojoHost \| brad at mojohost dot com \| Skype MojoHostBrad 71 industry awards for hosting and professional excellence since 1999