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Originally Posted by phonesex
The Turkish Goverment should wake up and stop bullshitting on what happened. The real truth comes from the people. Talk to the Armenian people especially those who were kids or the stories their parents told them. As far as Germany goes. I would be embarrased to have parents or grandparents or greatgrandparents who participated in the Nazi regime. Just imagine a family member being a part of such destruction and crimes against people.
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You know I feel I have to make a statement before I say what I say, but simply put I think Nazism was the worst thing to ever happen to Western Society (that and Communism - particularly Stalinism) and I find the human rights abuses disgusting under those regimes.
That said, I will say that my Grandfather fought for Germany in Stalingrad during the war, and luckily survived. He was not an early member of the Nazi party and was pretty apolitical his whole life. Numerous relatives of mine (as in distant cousins etc) also died in war for Germany during WWII. It is impossible to judge these individuals anymore so than you can judge American troops. Both people where essentially doing the same thing, fighting in a battle they would prefer not to, simply for their own survival, and the men beside them. I just finished watching Band of Brothers actually and something struck me about what one of the American veteran's said in an interview included in the documentary. I don't have the exact words, but this is essentially what he said:
We went in there thinking the Germans where the most evil people in the world. But we quickly realised that it was not the German soldiers, per se. Perhaps it was the SS, they where the ones that could kill their own people, and kill other innocents, but not the regular men. They where just children, we all where, and they where just doing what they where supposed to do, as we where. I don't know but some of them might of got along real well with me. They might of liked to hunt, they might of liked to fish, who knows, under different circumstances we might of been best of friends.
You can not judge these people, if you had grown up at the same time it is HIGHLY unlikely you would of not been fighting for Hitler to, and perhaps believing in what he said.
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Originally Posted by BRISK
In Europe, there is a regular commercial on TV for mobile phone ringtones that says "pick that mother-fucker up!" I've seen it on TV at like 1pm. Then of course there's the frontal male nudity and standard 5 or 6 porn shows at night.
In America, cleavage is censored on TV.
I'm not saying whether it should or shouldn't be allowed, I'm just giving examples of what I've seen.
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To my knowledge payTV isn't censored like that in the US. It is the same here. Free to air TV is quite censored, but at 1pm on pay TV you will see full frontal nudity as well. That is my understanding of it.