07-20-2002, 10:20 AM
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Originally posted by punkworld
Ok, sorry to say it, but you are just an idiot. No doubt about it. Please stay out of political discussions, since you obviously lack the insight to make a post containing even the most remote resemblance of intelligence.
Now, on to the whole Israel/Palestina discussion. The problem here is obvious. There are two different sides, both of whom are at fault.
Israel:
Israel has a war criminal as a leader. No point denying it. Sharon can be held responsible for what happened in Sabra and Shatila. Israel continues to oppress Paletinians in many ways. Only one example is the continuous destruction of Palestinian economic infrastructure, clearly intended not for the protection of Israeli citizens, but for the suppression of the economic position of Palestinians. Even projects funded by the EU that in no way bring dangers of terrorism along are destroyed with military force.
And, even worse, Sharon himself has said that he does not want peace, since he believes prolongation of the current situation will eventually be in the best interest of Israel.
Palestina:
The Palestinians have a terrorist as a leader. No point denying it. The PLO has always been and will continue to be a terrorist organization. Besides that, they are corrupt as can be, and it really is no secret that Arafat and his friends live in extreme wealth while most Palestinians live in extreme poverty.
It also is almost impossible to miss that fundamentalist organizations like Hamaz do not want peace, and will only stop if they win. They, like the Israelians, consider large parts of Israel holy land and believe it should be theirs.
However, most Palestinians and most Israelians want peace, it's a few relatively small extremist groups that keep this conflict going, by means of violence and propaganda. The feelings of hatred and insecurity caused by this are what sustains the aggression.
Regardless of the past, it is a fact that neither the Israelians nor the Palestinians will leave the area. Therefore, the only real solution would consist of lasting peace.
Unfortunately, in order to reach that goal, the factors that keep the conflict going have to be eliminated. That is, the extremists have to be taken out.
Now, since the whole area heavily relies on the rest of the world for certain essential things, the solution seems obvious. A worldwide boycot would do wonders, because it wouldn't take long before people from both sides would be starving, and they would most likely be a lot more eager to dispose of their leaders if that was the only way to stay alive.
Sure, this would cost the lives of innocent people, however, the current situation is also costing the lives of innocent people from both sides, and there is no indication that the situation will get better in the near future.
Oh, and mic, are you seriously suggesting that gulags are the only solution for muslims? If that is the case, you are a seriously fucked up person. It's like saying concentration camps are the only solution for jews. (and, just for the record: the three biggest murderers in history were Hitler, Stalin and Mao. The gulags Stalin used are in fact very much the same as the concentration camps Hitler used, or the "re-education camps" Mao used)
And on a final note: The Jews and the Palestinians are both semitic peoples. Anti-semitism necessarily includes hatred towards both (and a few others), so anyone siding with the Palestinians for whatever reason is not anti-semitic.
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Congradulations you have just summed up what was stated before, however the topic moved on. |
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