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falafel · 07-19-2002, 02:58 PM

I'm encouraged to see that there are some decent human beings here that do not think that putting an explosive device on your body and marching to the nearest pizzeria, discotheque, cafe', bus stop or school, detonating it and killing scores of civilians, children & babies is a legitimate thing.

I want to add another thing.
I am not on the pr minister of Israel and believe it or not, I have lots of criticism regarding Israel's action in many issues - including the Palestinian-Israeli conflict.
I guess that I'm not different than any citizen in any country in the world.

Since I was a teenager, like many Israelis, I was dreaming about the day when we and the Palestinians can finally reach a peace agreement.
I am willing to sacrifice a lot for peace, and when I say a lot I mean land, money and practically anything except my life in an independent state as a free man.

During my reading here, I saw lies, half truths, slander, hate but some decency too.
Some of the hate is originated by ignorance, some by just not knowing the facts good enough, some by anti semitism and some probably by KKK membership.

My grandparents came to Israel after surviving 6 (!!!) death camps in Poland and Czechoslovakia.
Prior to Israel establishment in 1948, the UN decided to divide the land: half goes to Israel, the other half to the Palestinians.
Israel accepted the plan, the Arabs didn't and the day after the Palestinians and 5 Arab armies including Lebanon, Syria, Jordan & Egypt invaded Israel in order to destroy it.
They were bigger in force and fire power - but we won.
Back then, there were no "territories", and between 48-67 the Palestinian were living in their homes under Jordanian (in the west bank) & Egyptian (in the Gaza strip) rule.
Those dear Arab countries didn't lift a finger for their poor Palestinian "brothers".
They never gave them a state (in their own territory), they didn't provide them with proper housing and they kept them poor.

In 1967 the Arabs decided to try and destroy Israel again with 4 armies - but once again Israel won the war and captured Jordanian owned west bank and Egyptian owned Gaza strip.
There was never a state called Palestine.
Palestinians were living under their Jordanian and Egyptians rulers.
In 1973 Egypt and Syria attacked Israel once again and lost again.

You can't attack another country time after time and then cry that your territories were lost (after YOU initiated the war in the first place).
It's like the joke about the guy who murdered both his parents and then asked mercy from the judge because he's an orphan.

Now, I know that many in the world are sick and tired of hearing about "The Situation in the Middle East".
Well, if you're sick about it, you can only imagine how we feel about it.
For you it may be 2 minutes of TV news reporting while for us it's the 24/7 reality for the past 2 years.

When I was given the right to vote, 12 years ago, I voted for the labor party which called for a peace process with the Palestinians.
In 1993 the Oslo accords were signed.
In 1994 the first Palestinian suicide bomber appeared in our doorstep.
Between 1994 to 2000 there were many suicide bombings made by Palestinians although we already started the peace process.

In 1996 there were still suicide bombings, but I wanted peace so badly that I voted again to the labor party.
In 1999, there were another elections.
Again, I wanted peace so much, that this time I voted to the extreme left party called Merrets.
In 2000 Israeli prime minister Ehud Barak, Palestinian leader Yasser Arafat and US president Bill Clinton met in a peace summit in Camp David.

Now, I don't want to give you the Israeli side view.
See what the Americans are saying, and when I say Americans I mean both Clinton and his aids & Bush and his aids.
All of them agree that Israel put on the table the most serious, generous offers ever made by Israel - but Arafat was not willing even to discuss it.
The summit collapsed.

A couple of months later, the Palestinians started their terror war known as the Intifada (it's an Arab word).
Israel tried to restrain itself but nothing helped.
More and more suicide bombers came into Israel in one purpose: killing as many innocent Israelis as possible in restaurants, cafes, hotels, markets etc.
When you live in a reality where your citizens are being murdered in the streets on a daily basis you have no other choice but reacting with force.

If any of the members here would have been in the position of suffering from terrorism on a daily basis, I can promise you that your distinguished governments would have done the very same thing.
The US was attacked.
3000 civilian lives were lost.
The entire world saw how the US took Afghanistan and turned it into rubble.
Many innocent Afghans lost their lives in the US campaign, but they did so because their government assisted Osama Bin Laden to murder tounsands of Americans.
I also know one thing for sure.
No American pilot ever killed an innocent Afghan intentionally while OBL and his Afghan counter parts did everything in their power to kill as many Americans as possible.

I am very sorry when innocent Palestinians lose their lives although they're my enemies while when innocent Israelis are being killed the Palestinians are celebrating in the streets (exactly as they celebrated on 9/11).
When it comes to defending my life from the next suicide bomber I'm giving my government a green light to do whatever it takes to defend my life.

I'm sure that when the Palestinians will understand that Israel can't be extorted or intimidated and when they will stop the terror campaign after it brought them nothing - then and only then I will be willing to sit around the negotiating table.

07-19-2002, 02:58 PM
falafel Registered User Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: Ramat Gan, Israel Posts: 37	I'm encouraged to see that there are some decent human beings here that do not think that putting an explosive device on your body and marching to the nearest pizzeria, discotheque, cafe', bus stop or school, detonating it and killing scores of civilians, children & babies is a legitimate thing. I want to add another thing. I am not on the pr minister of Israel and believe it or not, I have lots of criticism regarding Israel's action in many issues - including the Palestinian-Israeli conflict. I guess that I'm not different than any citizen in any country in the world. Since I was a teenager, like many Israelis, I was dreaming about the day when we and the Palestinians can finally reach a peace agreement. I am willing to sacrifice a lot for peace, and when I say a lot I mean land, money and practically anything except my life in an independent state as a free man. During my reading here, I saw lies, half truths, slander, hate but some decency too. Some of the hate is originated by ignorance, some by just not knowing the facts good enough, some by anti semitism and some probably by KKK membership. My grandparents came to Israel after surviving 6 (!!!) death camps in Poland and Czechoslovakia. Prior to Israel establishment in 1948, the UN decided to divide the land: half goes to Israel, the other half to the Palestinians. Israel accepted the plan, the Arabs didn't and the day after the Palestinians and 5 Arab armies including Lebanon, Syria, Jordan & Egypt invaded Israel in order to destroy it. They were bigger in force and fire power - but we won. Back then, there were no "territories", and between 48-67 the Palestinian were living in their homes under Jordanian (in the west bank) & Egyptian (in the Gaza strip) rule. Those dear Arab countries didn't lift a finger for their poor Palestinian "brothers". They never gave them a state (in their own territory), they didn't provide them with proper housing and they kept them poor. In 1967 the Arabs decided to try and destroy Israel again with 4 armies - but once again Israel won the war and captured Jordanian owned west bank and Egyptian owned Gaza strip. There was never a state called Palestine. Palestinians were living under their Jordanian and Egyptians rulers. In 1973 Egypt and Syria attacked Israel once again and lost again. You can't attack another country time after time and then cry that your territories were lost (after YOU initiated the war in the first place). It's like the joke about the guy who murdered both his parents and then asked mercy from the judge because he's an orphan. Now, I know that many in the world are sick and tired of hearing about "The Situation in the Middle East". Well, if you're sick about it, you can only imagine how we feel about it. For you it may be 2 minutes of TV news reporting while for us it's the 24/7 reality for the past 2 years. When I was given the right to vote, 12 years ago, I voted for the labor party which called for a peace process with the Palestinians. In 1993 the Oslo accords were signed. In 1994 the first Palestinian suicide bomber appeared in our doorstep. Between 1994 to 2000 there were many suicide bombings made by Palestinians although we already started the peace process. In 1996 there were still suicide bombings, but I wanted peace so badly that I voted again to the labor party. In 1999, there were another elections. Again, I wanted peace so much, that this time I voted to the extreme left party called Merrets. In 2000 Israeli prime minister Ehud Barak, Palestinian leader Yasser Arafat and US president Bill Clinton met in a peace summit in Camp David. Now, I don't want to give you the Israeli side view. See what the Americans are saying, and when I say Americans I mean both Clinton and his aids & Bush and his aids. All of them agree that Israel put on the table the most serious, generous offers ever made by Israel - but Arafat was not willing even to discuss it. The summit collapsed. A couple of months later, the Palestinians started their terror war known as the Intifada (it's an Arab word). Israel tried to restrain itself but nothing helped. More and more suicide bombers came into Israel in one purpose: killing as many innocent Israelis as possible in restaurants, cafes, hotels, markets etc. When you live in a reality where your citizens are being murdered in the streets on a daily basis you have no other choice but reacting with force. If any of the members here would have been in the position of suffering from terrorism on a daily basis, I can promise you that your distinguished governments would have done the very same thing. The US was attacked. 3000 civilian lives were lost. The entire world saw how the US took Afghanistan and turned it into rubble. Many innocent Afghans lost their lives in the US campaign, but they did so because their government assisted Osama Bin Laden to murder tounsands of Americans. I also know one thing for sure. No American pilot ever killed an innocent Afghan intentionally while OBL and his Afghan counter parts did everything in their power to kill as many Americans as possible. I am very sorry when innocent Palestinians lose their lives although they're my enemies while when innocent Israelis are being killed the Palestinians are celebrating in the streets (exactly as they celebrated on 9/11). When it comes to defending my life from the next suicide bomber I'm giving my government a green light to do whatever it takes to defend my life. I'm sure that when the Palestinians will understand that Israel can't be extorted or intimidated and when they will stop the terror campaign after it brought them nothing - then and only then I will be willing to sit around the negotiating table.