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dcortez · 08-12-2005, 01:58 PM

There are conflicting schools of thought re having different Class C IPs and their effectiveness on SERPs.

I have operated a dozen or so domains on a single IP address and they have worked ok as far as contributing PR to each other and bringing in SE traffic. Part of the reason for this is that my 'interrealm-linking' is thematic.

There are some who are offering (what I call) 'Class C IP Farms' - claiming that a single web operator can now enjoy the benefits of multiple Class C's for better SE performance. Just as 'Link Farms' have had their day and are now instant (SE) death to any site participating in them, I believe 'Class C IP Farms' will follow the same terminal path.

Here is why:

The spirit of SEs giving greater value to links from 'other' sites is based on the assumption that those 'other' sites are genuine votes of popularity from unrelated websites/operators.

SEs also assume (but understand that this is not always the case), the same Class C IP is often owned by the same website.

When the 'other' sites are really *fake* 'other sites' this does not fall into the spirit of rewarding truly unbiased votes of popularity with PR and subsequent SE prominence. Once 'found out' (just as with 'Link Farms'), Class C Farms hosting 'fake other sites' will be flagged as spamdexers (in my opinion) and the poison domino effect (being flagged as a 'bad neighbourhood') will be deadly.

For this reason, and to assert the logic proposed above, you will be hard pressed to find any published list of the Class C IPs being offered by the Class C IP Farms - they know that secrecy is the only way they can get away with their illusion of 'other sites' interlinking. They also know that the jig is up as soon as an IP network is reported as being a farm.

These 'farmers' should not underestimate the pattern matching capabilities of the SEs and while having geographically and economically separated hosts may offer some 'distance' between the IPs, there are other indicators which can be matched and filtered. For example, using different class Cs with different domains but the domain owner is recognized to be the same (either explicitly or implicitly) kind of defeats the whole purpose of getting secret different IPs.

If there is a benefit to being linked to from different Class Cs it is intended for legitimate arms-length owners. Cheating that rule may work for a while but eventually it will go bust.

I would not invest in building sites on IPs spread across these 'fake other sites' - its too hard to tell when that bubble will burst.

-Dino

08-12-2005, 01:58 PM
dcortez DINO CORTEZ™ Industry Role: Join Date: Jun 2003 Location: Vancouver Island Posts: 2,145	There are conflicting schools of thought re having different Class C IPs and their effectiveness on SERPs. I have operated a dozen or so domains on a single IP address and they have worked ok as far as contributing PR to each other and bringing in SE traffic. Part of the reason for this is that my 'interrealm-linking' is thematic. There are some who are offering (what I call) 'Class C IP Farms' - claiming that a single web operator can now enjoy the benefits of multiple Class C's for better SE performance. Just as 'Link Farms' have had their day and are now instant (SE) death to any site participating in them, I believe 'Class C IP Farms' will follow the same terminal path. Here is why: The spirit of SEs giving greater value to links from 'other' sites is based on the assumption that those 'other' sites are genuine votes of popularity from unrelated websites/operators. SEs also assume (but understand that this is not always the case), the same Class C IP is often owned by the same website. When the 'other' sites are really fake 'other sites' this does not fall into the spirit of rewarding truly unbiased votes of popularity with PR and subsequent SE prominence. Once 'found out' (just as with 'Link Farms'), Class C Farms hosting 'fake other sites' will be flagged as spamdexers (in my opinion) and the poison domino effect (being flagged as a 'bad neighbourhood') will be deadly. For this reason, and to assert the logic proposed above, you will be hard pressed to find any published list of the Class C IPs being offered by the Class C IP Farms - they know that secrecy is the only way they can get away with their illusion of 'other sites' interlinking. They also know that the jig is up as soon as an IP network is reported as being a farm. These 'farmers' should not underestimate the pattern matching capabilities of the SEs and while having geographically and economically separated hosts may offer some 'distance' between the IPs, there are other indicators which can be matched and filtered. For example, using different class Cs with different domains but the domain owner is recognized to be the same (either explicitly or implicitly) kind of defeats the whole purpose of getting secret different IPs. If there is a benefit to being linked to from different Class Cs it is intended for legitimate arms-length owners. Cheating that rule may work for a while but eventually it will go bust. I would not invest in building sites on IPs spread across these 'fake other sites' - its too hard to tell when that bubble will burst. -Dino