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07-27-2005, 04:22 PM

What am I talking about? Well, Epassporte is no longer a 'Paypal' company. It is time for you and Chris to have a talk. I am getting tired of check and wires and would prefer Epassporte.

Anyone else prefer Epassporte?

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07-27-2005, 04:23 PM

Paypal? wtf?
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07-27-2005, 04:24 PM

I couldn't agree more...

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07-27-2005, 04:26 PM

OOops.. hehe.. Paycom.net.....

Perhaps a Mod can edit it since I cannot...

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07-27-2005, 04:43 PM

I don`t get this now...if it`s a poll for CCBILL to pay via epassporte YES.
If it`s about something else I don`t know...

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07-27-2005, 04:49 PM

If it were an option that would be fine with me but if it was the only way to get payment that would suck
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07-27-2005, 04:54 PM

Well if they ever let off the crazy hard scrub they got going on this week, maybe I'd actually get a payout...but it doesnt look like its gonna happen anytime soon.
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07-27-2005, 05:29 PM

Originally posted by llporter

If it were an option that would be fine with me but if it was the only way to get payment that would suck

I agree.

I don't endorse a god damn thing......
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07-28-2005, 09:01 AM

CCBILL has some major scrub issues...
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07-28-2005, 09:11 AM

I dont like epassporte. Shitty fees. I vote no.

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07-28-2005, 09:16 AM

Originally posted by V_RocKs

CCBILL has some major scrub issues...

which would be followed by denials from their reps all over the place
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07-28-2005, 09:26 AM

Paycom or not, they should have looked into doing it anyway.

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07-28-2005, 09:28 AM

no

no

did I say no?

Epass sucks big time, look up the drama threads, try loading the account... did you know they ask authorisation 5 times for that? And keep it for like 2 weeks so basically your cards maxed and youre screwed and they do shit to resolve it? No thank you.

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07-28-2005, 09:29 AM

Originally posted by V_RocKs

CCBILL has some major scrub issues...

I disagree with that. We have run tests with every 3rd party processor and Ccbill out sells everybody every time.

If you are sending traffic to companies that use the Ccbill affiliate program and links then that is your problem. There is a huge difference. I would be willing to bet if our affiliates sent to ccbill links instead of our TwistysCash links they'd see 30% to 60% less sales and hence be complaining about scrubbing.

No offence to companies that use Ccbill affiliate program but it is known to have tracking issues. For 5k to 10k cash you can have a kick ass affiliate program that will track more accurately and make your affiliates more money. My number 1 priority has always been to do whatever it takes to make our affiliates more money.
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07-28-2005, 09:34 AM

Yeah getting a weekly check is SUCH a pain in the ass. LOL. Hilarious.

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07-28-2005, 09:54 AM

Hmmm, So Shap is saying that it is the CCBILL affiliate program that is losing transactions for affiliates and not a tighter scrub?

I wish I could 100% believe that. I do believe that their affiliate program misplaces transactions, but I also believe their scrub sucks when compared with others. I think anyone who cascades CCBILL and EPOCH would agree with me.

As for Epassporte, I have had almost zero problems with them. The only problems I've had is when trying to buy something with it at a smaller store that doesn't know what the fuck they are doing, and once when I used it to buy a $580 Dell monitor... Something about it being an international card. One phone call and it was good to go though...
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07-28-2005, 10:02 AM

Originally posted by V_RocKs

Hmmm, So Shap is saying that it is the CCBILL affiliate program that is losing transactions for affiliates and not a tighter scrub?

I wish I could 100% believe that. I do believe that their affiliate program misplaces transactions, but I also believe their scrub sucks when compared with others. I think anyone who cascades CCBILL and EPOCH would agree with me.

As for Epassporte, I have had almost zero problems with them. The only problems I've had is when trying to buy something with it at a smaller store that doesn't know what the fuck they are doing, and once when I used it to buy a $580 Dell monitor... Something about it being an international card. One phone call and it was good to go though...

It's all about being able to properly test and track the numbers. For our situation there is no comparison. I've run very fair and extensive tests comparing paycom and ccbill and ccbill wins hands down everytime.

It's easy to say the SCRUB is too high. If this is regarding sites you promote maybe you should take a look at who you are promoting. See if the site is high quality. See if they are chargeback/credit potential. See if they have a proven track record. All of those factors will play a LARGE roll in the signups you get with that sponsor.

And I invite anybody to try to prove me wrong regarding the affiliate tracking program. I'm not here to bad mouth Ccbill. They are my processor and i love them You have to remember ccbill's specialty is PROCESSING not affiliate software. They provide the affiliate software as a bonus to the companies that are not willing to run their own. You can't expect a feature that is an add on for one company to be able to compete with a program that is the specialty of another. Hence ccbill's affiliate program can not compete with the tracking of say X3's Partnersoft or Mpa3.
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07-28-2005, 03:40 PM

Originally posted by shap

You have to remember ccbill's specialty is PROCESSING not affiliate software. They provide the affiliate software as a bonus to the companies that are not willing to run their own. You can't expect a feature that is an add on for one company to be able to compete with a program that is the specialty of another. Hence ccbill's affiliate program can not compete with the tracking of say X3's Partnersoft or Mpa3.

Good point!
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07-28-2005, 04:40 PM

What's wrong with wires? It's not like you have to do anything.

however...

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07-28-2005, 07:40 PM

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07-28-2005, 07:46 PM

Originally posted by Gottis

What's wrong with wires? It's not like you have to do anything.

however...

Epassporte = tax free money! VISA ain't got nothing on us.

Its not tax free money , its money they havent caught you not paying taxes on. If they really clamp down the first thing, they will do is go after the tax evaders.
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07-28-2005, 07:48 PM

Originally posted by V_RocKs

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Lets go SHEEP! It isn't all that hard to press the button.

Is Chris paying you to drum him up some business lol
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07-28-2005, 08:16 PM

Originally posted by shap

It's all about being able to properly test and track the numbers. For our situation there is no comparison. I've run very fair and extensive tests comparing paycom and ccbill and ccbill wins hands down everytime.

It's easy to say the SCRUB is too high. If this is regarding sites you promote maybe you should take a look at who you are promoting. See if the site is high quality. See if they are chargeback/credit potential. See if they have a proven track record. All of those factors will play a LARGE roll in the signups you get with that sponsor.

And I invite anybody to try to prove me wrong regarding the affiliate tracking program. I'm not here to bad mouth Ccbill. They are my processor and i love them You have to remember ccbill's specialty is PROCESSING not affiliate software. They provide the affiliate software as a bonus to the companies that are not willing to run their own. You can't expect a feature that is an add on for one company to be able to compete with a program that is the specialty of another. Hence ccbill's affiliate program can not compete with the tracking of say X3's Partnersoft or Mpa3.

what he said. also know there are some ccbill programs that set cookies for just 1 day so 1 day cookie plus sales lost from cookie-disabled surfers=many uncredited signups.

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07-28-2005, 09:56 PM

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07-28-2005, 09:58 PM

it would be a nice option. But it may never happen.

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07-28-2005, 10:32 PM

Is Chris paying me to drum up business...

NO... I am sure he can pay KimmieKim and get 100 times the service I'd give.

I am just annoyed at the ccbill checks.. I'd like an epassporte payment.

It isn't just about having it in the form of epassporte either, it is the CHOICE of having it that way.

Think about that before you click NO...
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07-28-2005, 11:00 PM

what they should add is the option to set a minimum payout.
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07-28-2005, 11:38 PM

Originally posted by Gottis

What's wrong with wires? It's not like you have to do anything.

however...

Epassporte = tax free money! VISA ain't got nothing on us.

let's calc. weekly wires from ccbill => $30x52= $1560 in wire fees per year, that's what it cost me right now. then my bank charges me 2% on withdrawals while eP takes flat $2, that's around $600 or so per year.
So if CCBILL will pay thru eP i'll save more than $2k per year, that's why I'm both hands for it!

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07-28-2005, 11:39 PM

sorry.. repled to wrong thread shit.. I'll leave it here since people are talking about scrubbing here too...

Well.. here's my 2cents.. Our experience is that there is no simple formula for all of us to figure out how the processors are scrubbing. We switch between ccbill and paycom everyday. Some days we are using ccbill first and I often see threads here that same day where people are saying "ccbill must be scrubbing super hard my sales are horrible", but we'll notice that ccbill is kicking ass for us. Even though many of us are using our own affiliate software (nats, mpa3..ect..) and our own link codes, the processors are still able to track an affiliate ID from those codes so, they can scrub per program or per site or per affiliate at any given time (not positive they do but it's possible). Many of us program owners talk to each other.. shows, phone icq... One of our friends that does HUGE numbers figured out over a long term analysis that he does better with ccbill. Another friend does better with paycom. I don't think there's a cut and dry wholesale formula for scrubbing and which company is better. I think it's very random or possibly extreamly precise. Who knows?

Both ccbill and paycom are solid companies and we use (and love) them both. My best suggestion is to use a sponsor that cascades and also watches the numbers 24/7 like a hawk. If there's a scrub problem on a given day or god forbid a dos attack or tech problem for the biller we can switch companies instantly.

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07-28-2005, 11:53 PM

We need a better option for us in adult. Epass was to expensive and a pain to get going, paypal too risky, egold too scary and others just untrustable.

Someone reputable like CCBILL needs to step up to the plate and offer something we can use day to day and offer debit cards to use with the service.
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07-29-2005, 01:27 AM

Originally posted by aleck

let's calc. weekly wires from ccbill => $30x52= $1560 in wire fees per year, that's what it cost me right now. then my bank charges me 2% on withdrawals while eP takes flat $2, that's around $600 or so per year.
So if CCBILL will pay thru eP i'll save more than $2k per year, that's why I'm both hands for it!

Exactly! At one point I thought wires were convenient... Then I added up 20 sponsors, an average fee of $25 and 26 wires a year.... Fuck... That is about 3 times what I paid for my 16 year old daughters first car. $13,000! I need tax writeoffs but I'd like to end up with a tangable item or quality service for that kind of cash.

Since I usually use my epassporte to pay for shit instead of withdrawl it as cash or transfer it back to my bank account, I don't pay shit in Epassporte fees.
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07-29-2005, 01:47 AM

Epassporte has become the industry norm. Yes, they can be a pain but once it is all set up, they rock.
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07-29-2005, 01:55 AM

Add Epass

For those who don't liek it don't use it.
But as being a major processor they should have that option.

I agreee seting up epassporte sucks and they ask you id many times, but thats also for security reasons ( yes abit to much)

But when you have a business epass setup it all works fine and I'm happy with it.

I can withdrawl or wire the money from my epass anywhere which I consider very handy

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07-29-2005, 02:34 AM

Ohh, BTW, AskJolene.com kicks ass... If you aren't posting galleries there, you are missing out on HUGE cash! I always double my money or better and guess what, they take epassporte.

Need another spot online to spend your epassporte money? How about using it for hosting? Use your Virtual Visa... Also hit up Choker Traffic, he takes epassporte... Still need something to do with it? Party Poker loves Epassporte too. Choose FPS option from the Cashier/Deposit menu.
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07-29-2005, 02:40 AM

god i wish google wallet would get here faster
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07-29-2005, 03:13 AM

I'm surprised they don't offer payouts by epassporte. It's an industry standard now.

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07-29-2005, 03:26 AM

it's not that simple. By providing epassporte as a method to receive money they expose a large part of their clients DB to their main competitor.
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07-29-2005, 03:34 AM

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no

no

did I say no?

Epass sucks big time, look up the drama threads, try loading the account... did you know they ask authorisation 5 times for that? And keep it for like 2 weeks so basically your cards maxed and youre screwed and they do shit to resolve it? No thank you.

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i agree - but i would still like to offer epassporte to affiliates that want it as a payout option.
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07-29-2005, 04:15 AM

Originally posted by Soul_Rebel

it's not that simple. By providing epassporte as a method to receive money they expose a large part of their clients DB to their main competitor.

only when it comes to payments to paysite owners.

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07-29-2005, 04:40 AM

Originally posted by shap

My number 1 priority has always been to do whatever it takes to make our affiliates more money.

You're full of shit. You've always said that your #1 priority was to deliver quality to your clients (members). So making your affiliates more money would be your #2 priority.

Of course, the two go hand in hand, but I couldn't resist the temptation.

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07-29-2005, 04:45 AM

THat would be great!

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07-29-2005, 04:50 AM

Originally posted by V_RocKs

Ohh, BTW, AskJolene.com kicks ass... If you aren't posting galleries there, you are missing out on HUGE cash! I always double my money or better and guess what, they take epassporte.

Need another spot online to spend your epassporte money? How about using it for hosting? Use your Virtual Visa... Also hit up Choker Traffic, he takes epassporte... Still need something to do with it? Party Poker loves Epassporte too. Choose FPS option from the Cashier/Deposit menu.

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07-29-2005, 05:26 AM

I would like to get payments by epassporte. My earnings are too small for wires and my bank takes $12 fees per check :-(
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07-29-2005, 05:44 AM

Originally posted by Soul_Rebel

it's not that simple. By providing epassporte as a method to receive money they expose a large part of their clients DB to their main competitor.

You must not have heard that epoch and epassporte have parted ways...

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07-29-2005, 05:55 AM

Originally posted by Soul_Rebel

it's not that simple. By providing epassporte as a method to receive money they expose a large part of their clients DB to their main competitor.

#1, Paycom.net (EPOCH) and Epassporte are no longer the same company.
#2, WTF are you talking about? The only think Epassporte knows is who you wanna pay and how much... nothing else.
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07-29-2005, 06:03 AM

epass is the best.. !
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07-29-2005, 06:09 AM

epassporte sucks. ive been trying to get my limit increased so i can withdraw all my money at once forever now.

first i talk to them on the phone and they had no idea what they were doing and finally told me to email this one address. so i email it and after a few days they say i have to email from their site on my account. then they tell me "we cant give you that big of a limi". then i say give me a limit for how much my balance is. then they say they have to ask someone else and finally they send me a pdf file that doesnt even load saying i need to fill it out and fax it. i tell them it doesnt load and they never even get back to me.

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07-29-2005, 06:23 AM

Originally posted by beemk

epassporte sucks. ive been trying to get my limit increased so i can withdraw all my money at once forever now.

first i talk to them on the phone and they had no idea what they were doing and finally told me to email this one address. so i email it and after a few days they say i have to email from their site on my account. then they tell me "we cant give you that big of a limi". then i say give me a limit for how much my balance is. then they say they have to ask someone else and finally they send me a pdf file that doesnt even load saying i need to fill it out and fax it. i tell them it doesnt load and they never even get back to me.

Weird, took me around a day to ask for the increase, get the PDF's (which worked fine), print them, fill them out, sign them, scan them, send'em in and have my limit increased.

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07-29-2005, 06:26 AM

i accept all forms.

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07-29-2005, 06:26 AM

Originally posted by V_RocKs

#1, Paycom.net (EPOCH) and Epassporte are no longer the same company.
#2, WTF are you talking about? The only think Epassporte knows is who you wanna pay and how much... nothing else.

#1 they were never the same company, but that doesn't say a lot to me.

#2 IMHO who is enough for a company of the ccbill size not to make such step.

Although it's not so related, I didn't see epassporte working with ccbill either. Maybe a mutual future trade here? I doubt.
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