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					Originally Posted by Brad Mitchell
					
				 I love Gary, if we're referring to GA.. he knows that.  But this isn't about that...  And I can honestly say that I haven't been able to read all of the threads and every post... but there's nothing that I've read from you thus far that seems right to me (been through 4 threads).  Everything else aside, you asked for the designs to be posted and for a vote - both of which happened, and then after that you found another reason to not pay by asserting that they just recently whipped up a new design for you.  I don't honestly believe that happened.
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 Brad,
Please read the threads then  
 
 
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ALWAYS been a 'quality' issue and, in the thread i gave you a link to above, many well known GFY'ers even state that the work was sub-par.
Here are a few quotes for you to recap though, i know you are a busy guy and dont have a lot of spare time..
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					Originally Posted by Dalai lama
					
				 banners & main.html looks like it could use more work    | 
	
 
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					Originally Posted by mrthumbs
					
				 I agree.. woudlnt accept that work either | 
	
 
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					Originally Posted by Brujah
					
				 I agree with you about the banners, and main.  Doesn't look like the usual BDS quality I've seen in their portfolio and when others have posted samples. | 
	
 
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					Originally Posted by Doctor Dre
					
				 I have to agree that this isn't what I'd call "outstanding work". The ideas aren't so bad ... but it seems like the guy who did the job isn't a pro and very experienced graphists ... did a lot of mistakes a lot of new graphists do .
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					Originally Posted by SmokeyTheBear
					
				 The sites dont look like his other design examples | 
	
 
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					Originally Posted by Relish XXX
					
				 I will agree that the main page and banners need work. | 
	
 
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					Originally Posted by Gunni
					
				 not the best design from them for sure | 
	
 
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					Originally Posted by TheDoc
					
				 I'm not sure why people here though are bitching that you did something wrong by not paying them. If "you" aren't happy with the work and you didn't publish the work then you shouldn't pay for the work until you are happy with the work. Period..
 I don't pay for designs unless I'm happy with the work. I don't pay an electrician for work if I'm not satisfied with his job. I don't pay the cleaning lady if she does a shitty job, I make her ass come back and then I pay her once the job is done correctly. This is how the world works, not the other way around.
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					Originally Posted by Godsmack
					
				 I agree, does not look like their quality standard.. maybe it was outsourced? :-) | 
	
 
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					Originally Posted by cherrylula
					
				 it looks stripped down. | 
	
 
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					Originally Posted by rezdesign
					
				 looks like crap to me | 
	
 
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					Originally Posted by chazer
					
				 It's not all that great design | 
	
 
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					Originally Posted by MickeyG
					
				 I wouldn't pay for that shit either | 
	
 
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					Originally Posted by Matt 26z
					
				 LOL  What total bullshit.
 Webmasters choose a designer based on their portfolio.
 
 If the end result isn't of the same quality level that their portfolio implies they are capable of, then it's a bait and switch.
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					Originally Posted by BiggleJones
					
				 I really hate to say it, but I think Lee has a legit point about the quality of the design. I dont think the quality is up there with the rest BDS sites. | 
	
 
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					Originally Posted by basschick
					
				 so they didn't use the colors you required, and we can see how grainy things are. 
 i dunno - i don't expect to pay for designs i don't like.  plenty of designers have managed to meet my requirements, but if you make a design in a totally other color scheme, you can 100% expect that i won't be buying it.
 
 i don't know the guy at blue, but i wouldn't have been thrilled with these.
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					Originally Posted by xxxdesign-net
					
				 banner and main layout not that hot | 
	
 
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					Originally Posted by xxxdesign-net
					
				 By looking at the navigation bar.. it seems outsourced...   | 
	
 Now go view the results of Andrews poll and see how many in that list i quoted voted for Andrew, even though they agree it was a shitty design they tried to palm off on Gary and I.
Although my name is the one being posted about, this doesnt just affect me, it affects Gary and ultimately, he is the one in charge of getting payments authorized, hence my comments about ruining a good friendship  
 
 
Regards,
Lee