ha ha, I agree, they look slightly past the retarded line, but their look is less retarded than that whole "baggy shorts hanging from hips showing underwear" look all the young guys had a few years back
EMO girls --- That "zelda" haircut looks like it has some nice hair-handles to pull on for when they give you head. And I see their look requires a labret piercing too. heh heh heh, the term Labret piercing brings up some interesting images, heh heh.