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Originally Posted by eroswebmaster
Sorry, but what a retarded discussion.
To say in your defense when you're doing exactly that when you started this thread.
It's pornography. As defiined by the dictionary. This isn't a "technicality," but a real definition. You are the one trying to play the word games.
if you want to become legitamized in this world, and seperate yourself from such things as CP/KP, then do as punkworld stated. Get people used to the terms adult entertainment, adult internet, adult webmaster, adult actress and get away from calling it all porn, pornography, pornographers etc.
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Originally Posted by baddog
ummm, I started this thread, and I am relatively sure I never said that.
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Originally Posted by 2HousePlague
I don't care to partake in an argument about technicalities of language
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I said it, and I stand by it.
There has been an attempt to turn this discssion into a
technical one, meaning that some participants are interested in pursuing an answer to this question: Does the thing we're all talking about "fit" within the
current definition of pornography? That is NOT the question baddog, SexyScribe and myself are interested in having answered. The question we're interested in having answered is: Is the reclamation of the term "pornography" by US (arguably "pornographers") an effective way to distance ourselves and what we do from a hideous crime?
I think that it is this gap in objective that has put us so (unnecessarily) at odds.
I think if you re-read the lines you wrote, which I have highlighted in orange above, you may begin to see the difference in our approaches, and why we're not succeeding in convincing each other. When I said "not interested in a technical discussion", it means that I understand for knowing dozens of examples in the English language (and others) where the "technical" meaning of a word tells you one thing and its USAGE another. If you disagree that the USAGE is the more important, and (I would say the TRUE determinant of meaning), I would have to say come visit us here in the US and spend some time in conversation with average folks. MOST people mis-use words, thinking them to mean one thing when they mean another. I am actually a stickler for grammar and using words correctly. English contains MANY, MANY words the usage of which departs from the technical/dictionary meaning. This cannot be a surprise to you, unless it is different where you live. But, I assure you, it IS that way here. Don't misunderstand the value of a dictionary. There is a reason it's called a "reference" book. The dictionary of the English language contains tens of thousands of words you will NEVER hear in average conversation. I know, I use many of them, and people never know what the hell I'm talking about, though my word choices and the way I use them are technically perfect. Contrast that with a "word" like "hella" which is not a word at all, but used by many people here in California to mean "very much" or "a lot" -- what matters, and what will determine PUBLIC PERCEPTION (which, I'll remind you, is what WE are interested in influencing) is the usage. Usage has, many, many times with all sorts of words dramatically affected the "meaning" of a word -- the meaning as it LIVES in the minds of the people who use it, who may never pick up a dictionary in their lives.
2HP