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Old 07-07-2005, 03:23 PM  
Johny Traffic
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Originally Posted by TheJimmy
So you know this by your many months of conversing with them in their homes, mosques, etc?



Sorry man, I'm with TheDoc on this one, and I also spent over a decade in the US military and quite a bit of time in that region...so rule out the coward or 100% bleeding heart liberal hippie argument (I'm only 95% liberal ;) )...



The scene you have to imagine from their viewpoint would be this (from the little bit of reading I've done on the topic):

1) Are we done giving Israel billions of dollars a year and the palestinians very little in comparision?

2) Are we done setting up permanent camp in Saudi?

3) How many decades do we plan on being in Iraq & Afganistan? (Psst, they know that Korea exists and that we've been there for several decades)...past actions speak louder than words

4) Are we done threatening Iran?

5) Fortunately we're done killing Iraqi civilians in large numbers now that the major standard military offensive is over...the extremists seem to be picking up that slack in the guerilla phase, which is not a calming factor no matter how you slice it...


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PS: I don't blame Bush or Blair for this attack, I blame our lack of shifting our ill advised foreign policies and primarily focusing only on the 'war' side of fixing things...


.that takes a lot more than one or two major world leaders to make happen, it takes congress, parliment and a TON of public opinion...

I live in a heavey muslim area in London, so yes unlike you I speak to them daily.

Ill answer your questions one at a time

1) Yes thats fucked up and the UK have been pushing the US on this point for the last 10 years

2) No your not done yet, you have a fucked up foreign policy, which although fucked up wouldnt want them to kill you less.

3) I guess untill either they kill you all, or the Arab nations kill their own terrorists, what ever comes first

4) No I think you want their oil to much, but this time when you invade, you will be alone, the UK wont be tagging along, that doesnt stop the fact that extremists want you dead
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