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Hell House Vic · 06-21-2005, 02:07 PM

And here's the best most accurate history I can recall:

In the late '70s there was punk rock.

Major labels decided to give punk a whirl. It failed. In the early '80s they decided to try repackaging punk and user-friendly-ing it up: they called it "New Wave." It succeeded.

But the punks who stayed "Punk" and didn't go "New Wave" called themselves "Hardcore Punks."

By 1983 the main Hardcore Punk scene was in Washington DC - and the biggest names were Bad Brains and Minor Threat (mention due to Black Flag from Cali, too).

In reaction to the "user-friendly-ization" of punk in New Wave, the music from Hardcore Punk bands went the opposite direction: faster, harder, heavier, crazier.

Around the end of '83 the main brain behind Minor Threat (Ian Mackaye) realized that there was an unintended side effect of getting faster, harder, and heavier: the "macho-ization" of punk. By '83 Hardcore Punk was very male-oriented, and also some real aggressive, macho and bone-headed factions started to develop.

Trying to make amends, Ian quit Minor Threat and soon formed a band called "Embrace"... which intentionally veered away from macho and agressive topics - while still keeping a lot of the feel of Hardcore Punk.

A small scene of bands gravitated towards Embrace - the most notable of which was Rites of Spring. Faith is also a band that deserves metion.

In an interview in '84 in Maximum Rock and Roll, this scene agreed to label themselves as "emo" or "emocore" - since they were anti-agressive, macho stuff and were pro the more feminine, emotional stuff.

By '86 the emo scene had died out, as mostly had the entire hardcore punk scene.

in '87-'88 the hardcore scene revived in NYC and then spread like wildfire - but the ethics of Ian's "Emo" scene were lost on the male-oriented revival.

Around '91 hardcore punk had progressed to it's pinnacle with bands like Quicksand, Burn, etc. after '91 it started to spin off into mainstream and loose it's cohesion.

Around '93 or so, some asshole got the idea that they could use the term "emo" to describe their mass-media friendly watered down bullshit version of Hardcore Punk. And from there you get this whole new crop of kinda shitty bands that probably don't know a Rites of Spring song from a Devo song.

06-21-2005, 02:07 PM
Hell House Vic Pay to Cum Join Date: Aug 2004 Location: Nor San Diego Posts: 1,029	And here's the best most accurate history I can recall: In the late '70s there was punk rock. Major labels decided to give punk a whirl. It failed. In the early '80s they decided to try repackaging punk and user-friendly-ing it up: they called it "New Wave." It succeeded. But the punks who stayed "Punk" and didn't go "New Wave" called themselves "Hardcore Punks." By 1983 the main Hardcore Punk scene was in Washington DC - and the biggest names were Bad Brains and Minor Threat (mention due to Black Flag from Cali, too). In reaction to the "user-friendly-ization" of punk in New Wave, the music from Hardcore Punk bands went the opposite direction: faster, harder, heavier, crazier. Around the end of '83 the main brain behind Minor Threat (Ian Mackaye) realized that there was an unintended side effect of getting faster, harder, and heavier: the "macho-ization" of punk. By '83 Hardcore Punk was very male-oriented, and also some real aggressive, macho and bone-headed factions started to develop. Trying to make amends, Ian quit Minor Threat and soon formed a band called "Embrace"... which intentionally veered away from macho and agressive topics - while still keeping a lot of the feel of Hardcore Punk. A small scene of bands gravitated towards Embrace - the most notable of which was Rites of Spring. Faith is also a band that deserves metion. In an interview in '84 in Maximum Rock and Roll, this scene agreed to label themselves as "emo" or "emocore" - since they were anti-agressive, macho stuff and were pro the more feminine, emotional stuff. By '86 the emo scene had died out, as mostly had the entire hardcore punk scene. in '87-'88 the hardcore scene revived in NYC and then spread like wildfire - but the ethics of Ian's "Emo" scene were lost on the male-oriented revival. Around '91 hardcore punk had progressed to it's pinnacle with bands like Quicksand, Burn, etc. after '91 it started to spin off into mainstream and loose it's cohesion. Around '93 or so, some asshole got the idea that they could use the term "emo" to describe their mass-media friendly watered down bullshit version of Hardcore Punk. And from there you get this whole new crop of kinda shitty bands that probably don't know a Rites of Spring song from a Devo song. __________________ Contact Me - ICQ: 206851710 eMail vic (at) hellhousemedia (dot) com 'Satanism is like Capitalism for teens' - Ty HellHouse